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Old 04-15-2019, 01:14 PM   #776
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What widebody? Ugly afterthought flares garners wrath on the CTR from the Subaru crowd. Subaru does it and it’s crickets. A true wide body with bespoke blistered fenders would be cool.
Meh. I like the look. I also like the way the CTR looks. shrugs
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:03 PM   #777
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Point being Justy the CTR is a $35k car. Not a sky's the limit rarified car. I don't care for the bodywork on the CTR, but at the price IMO it's forgivable. Ugly plastic clip on flares are not something I would list as justification for paying stupid money on a limited run car. And I'm not even a hater of the S209. The RA, sure. That car was a test to see if there was $$$ interest in that type of car and the S209 is the legit version. Of the two I'd pay the extra and get the S209 ugly flare and all. No question.
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:19 PM   #778
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Point being Justy the CTR is a $35k car. Not a sky's the limit rarified car. I don't care for the bodywork on the CTR, but at the price IMO it's forgivable. Ugly plastic clip on flares are not something I would list as justification for paying stupid money on a limited run car. And I'm not even a hater of the S209. The RA, sure. That car was a test to see if there was $$$ interest in that type of car and the S209 is the legit version. Of the two I'd pay the extra and get the S209 ugly flare and all. No question.
Thought someone said the flare was a pressed metal piece? I think it's just a deliberate way of standing out. It IS wider. They could have done more design change and made it a true wide body; but, they chose this.

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Old 04-15-2019, 03:14 PM   #779
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Thought someone said the flare was a pressed metal piece? I think it's just a deliberate way of standing out. It IS wider. They could have done more design change and made it a true wide body; but, they chose this.
Even worse.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:29 PM   #780
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it would be a good car to buy as a "collector" piece. buying it for its performance is stupid. you could build a car that does everything better for less out of a base sti.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:33 PM   #781
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Point being Justy the CTR is a $35k car. Not a sky’s the limit rarified car.
Good luck buying one for $35k.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:10 PM   #782
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Good luck buying one for $35k.
Subaru should play the same trick to avoid the pricing backlash we all know is coming. Honda was smart. Make the dealers look the bad guy. Brilliant!
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:57 PM   #783
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Good luck buying one for $35k.
I got mine for sticker (which is now almost $37K). It only took me 19 months of waiting and emailing GMs of lots that had the cars sitting for a long time. But yes, the market especially in SoCal for Type Rs is still stupid. And it's not a "limited" production car even though it has a serial number plate. Mine is in the 19,000s. They are up to the 24,000s now i think.

The S209 limited to 200, and even the old ITRs, now i would say that is worth a small 'market adjustment' to the right buyer.
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:51 PM   #784
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what happened to the S209, can you order one, is it sold out, or is it a myth?
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:09 PM   #785
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what happened to the S209, can you order one, is it sold out, or is it a myth?
it was all a hoax spearheaded by the Russians
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:45 PM   #786
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what happened to the S209, can you order one, is it sold out, or is it a myth?
I've heard a couple people say that they've given deposits to dealerships, but that's probably a long shot given that dealerships aren't guaranteed an allocation due to the limited production numbers. And the dealerships that do receive an allocation will likely auction it to the highest bidder..

This is all that I've seen from Subaru regarding pricing & availability:
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Otherwise, Subaru's website provides little information (https://www.subaru.com/2019-S209) and has a link to the press release from January:
http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...ful-model-ever
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:03 PM   #787
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I have reserved one through the dealer we get our new shop cars from. They made some calls to verify they were getting an allocation (2). They have no delivery date except for 'probably in October', and they have no idea (and no choice) on the colors they are getting.
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:15 PM   #788
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I have reserved one through the dealer we get our new shop cars from. They made some calls to verify they were getting an allocation (2). They have no delivery date except for 'probably in October', and they have no idea (and no choice) on the colors they are getting.
Very cool. Im curious to see what kind of magic you can make with that unicorn
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:22 PM   #789
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I have reserved one through the dealer we get our new shop cars from. They made some calls to verify they were getting an allocation (2). They have no delivery date except for 'probably in October', and they have no idea (and no choice) on the colors they are getting.
Congrats, that's awesome! Were they able to give you any ballpark on the expected pricing?
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:42 PM   #790
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I have reserved one through the dealer we get our new shop cars from. They made some calls to verify they were getting an allocation (2). They have no delivery date except for 'probably in October', and they have no idea (and no choice) on the colors they are getting.
I feel like only people like you will be able to get their hands on these things and that's a damn shame. The STI crowd is not rich and this S209 will be. Oh well. Life moves on.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:36 PM   #791
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Very cool. Im curious to see what kind of magic you can make with that unicorn
We're going to see what we can do.

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Congrats, that's awesome! Were they able to give you any ballpark on the expected pricing?
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I feel like only people like you will be able to get their hands on these things and that's a damn shame. The STI crowd is not rich and this S209 will be. Oh well. Life moves on.
911 Turbo and the 911 Carrera. Shelby Mustang and Mustang GT. These are some other examples and I don't think it's a bad thing as over time the 'base' trims tend to get some of the upper echelon's goodies, and the OEMs often make available some of those parts.
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:45 AM   #792
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S209 will debut just in time for Subaru to announce the 350hp 2021 STI with new 2.4L powerplant.

No thank you.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:23 AM   #793
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S209 will debut just in time for Subaru to announce the 350hp 2021 STI with new 2.4L powerplant.

No thank you.
I think that's everyone's hope. The FA24DIT would have a ton of potential even if it's just paired to the existing drivetrain.

I wonder if Subaru will be willing to outdo the performance of their "most powerful, best-handling, and most exciting Subaru Tecnica International model ever created" that quickly.

There's been a lot of rumors about the next gen STI having the FA24, but nothing official from Subaru. Honestly, even a beefed up FA20 with stronger rods, bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, etc. would be okay.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:36 AM   #794
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I think that's some peoples hope. .
Fixed.

A better USDM EJ would be preferred, something on par with the JDM version, but with larger displacement and factory closed deck block halves. There's tons of aftermarket development on the EJ and you can make that engine do almost anything you want. Considerably less development on the FA.

In a nutshell, the EJ is better suited for people that plan on making a lot more power and the FA is better for the stock/near stock folks.

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In a nutshell, the EJ is better suited for people that plan on making a lot more power and the FA is better for the stock/near stock folks.
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^^^^my thoughts exactly
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Old 08-22-2019, 01:27 PM   #797
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^^^^my thoughts exactly
Haha! It always hurts the FA people to hear that the EJ is a better performance engine due to the decade plus of additional development.
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Except im an EJ20 guy. Those two decades of "development" led to the FA, which addressed the shortcomings of EJ motors. You'll never see a EJ powered car making 400+ whp on a 100% stock block and turbo. Everything from metallurgy down to clearances and specs are improved over the EJ. I hate that it took subaru years and years to give us an upgraded version of it, but the FA24 is undoubtedly the future for the STI, and its a good future.
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Except im an EJ20 guy. Those two decades of "development" led to the FA, which addressed the shortcomings of EJ motors. You'll never see a EJ powered car making 400+ whp on a 100% stock block and turbo. Everything from metallurgy down to clearances and specs are improved over the EJ. I hate that it took subaru years and years to give us an upgraded version of it, but the FA24 is undoubtedly the future for the STI, and its a good future.
Not actually. The FA has rod and other issues, which prevents it from making alot of power in stock form.

My EJ207 makes around 450whp with bone stock longblock and it's been at this power level for around 3 years now. I also had great success with my EJ205 and EJ 257.

With that being said, the EJ does have it's own issues, but so does the FA and the difference in development especially the aftermarket is what makes the EJ so much better.
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Not actually. The FA has rod and other issues, which prevents it from making alot of power in stock form.

My EJ207 makes around 450whp with bone stock longblock and it's been at this power level for around 3 years now. I also had great success with my EJ205 and EJ 257.

With that being said, the EJ does have it's own issues, but so does the FA and the difference in development especially the aftermarket is what makes the EJ so much better.
Meh, aftermarket dev for the FA will catch up eventually. There are already pretty stout built FA blocks out there.
I think EJ207 stands in a class of its own in terms of reliability and power (thicker cylinder liners due to smaller 2.0L bore, ideal rod-to-stroke ratio due to 75 mm crank, better heads and so forth and so on).
But, I wonder how people get their EJ207-powered street Subies through smog testing in Cali; that alone must be a hassle (even if it's only every other year).
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