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Old 01-27-2018, 04:19 PM   #201
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I think when people here hybrid they go to the extreme of what would be the worst hybrid experience to encounter (the Prius) but let me speculate for a sec. Subaru, if announcing a sport hybrid, will do something along the lines of the Acura NSX. Having 3 separate electric motors as well as a 6 cyl twinturbo granted 2 of the electric motors are for controlling over and understeer there is a 3rd that is a motor with 40-50 tq/hp dedicated to alleviate turbo lag AND THIS is where I think Subaru steps in. The focus will be How to remove turbo lag so that the car feels even more responsive. heres an EE video explaining a little bit about it, smoking tires done a few too but I like this one
https://youtu.be/TWchbinrtpc

oh yeah 2 other things:
1 - There wont be a Hatchback option on the STI, only the limited WRX
2 - No matter where STI goes it wont have more than 330ish hp/tq stock ( Type R doesnt have it, Golf R doesnt have it, Audi S3 doesnt have it, the Focus RS was something to fret about at first but with the limited availability, huge mark up, and Head gasket recalls the RS is done
The new NSX is a @&$# car. Over priced, bloated and underwhelming. It’s the opposite of what the original NSX was. If Subaru goes down this path, the STI will stray so far from being a “drivers” car, that I guarantee the target audience will change dramatically.
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:50 PM   #202
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Subaru wont **** up their halo car. Chill brotatoes.
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Old 01-27-2018, 05:01 PM   #203
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I think when people here hybrid they go to the extreme of what would be the worst hybrid experience to encounter (the Prius) but let me speculate for a sec. Subaru, if announcing a sport hybrid, will do something along the lines of the Acura NSX. Having 3 separate electric motors as well as a 6 cyl twinturbo granted 2 of the electric motors are for controlling over and understeer there is a 3rd that is a motor with 40-50 tq/hp dedicated to alleviate turbo lag AND THIS is where I think Subaru steps in. The focus will be How to remove turbo lag so that the car feels even more responsive. heres an EE video explaining a little bit about it, smoking tires done a few too but I like this one
https://youtu.be/TWchbinrtpc

oh yeah 2 other things:
1 - There wont be a Hatchback option on the STI, only the limited WRX
2 - No matter where STI goes it wont have more than 330ish hp/tq stock ( Type R doesnt have it, Golf R doesnt have it, Audi S3 doesnt have it, the Focus RS was something to fret about at first but with the limited availability, huge mark up, and Head gasket recalls the RS is done

so what you saying is you want an STI to cost 55000 dollars... That is what you are saying.
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Old 01-27-2018, 05:08 PM   #204
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I'm laughing here with everyone comparing the new versions to the civic R, when honda copied the subie look originally. How can subaru be the copycat of their own look? Sheesh, give it a rest already.



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Old 01-27-2018, 08:12 PM   #205
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They should be able to squeeze 350hp out of the new ascent engine right? No doubt vw will engage in a power war with ford and give the next golf R 350 hp, so why wouldnt subaru?

The STIs drivetrain has been unchanged from 2004-2018. Time for more than 305-320 hp right?
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:28 PM   #206
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:47 PM   #207
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so what you saying is you want an STI to cost 55000 dollars... That is what you are saying.
Or: "I want an NSX for $39,995."

I don't think a cheap sporty hybrid is in the cards for a loooong time. By the time you shovel in a couple electric motors and batteries to run them (in addition to the normal drivetrain), the curb weight has gone through the roof. All the mass requires heroic amounts of power to accelerate, which doesn't come cheap.
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:03 PM   #208
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so what you saying is you want an STI to cost 55000 dollars... That is what you are saying.
What I'm saying is that if SUBARU is doing a hybrid sti it would be my guess that it is only to compensate for turbo lag.not a full on motor. And what's 5k more for an sti anyway right?? They are 48k right now.. When I bought my 13 sti it cost me 35k and when we got the 15 WRX premium it cost the same, for what some refer as just a turbo Camry. I whole heartedly think a limited my20 sti will sticker for 50k before ttyl and it better pack the balls to back that up
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:05 PM   #209
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They should be able to squeeze 350hp out of the new ascent engine right? No doubt vw will engage in a power war with ford and give the next golf R 350 hp, so why wouldnt subaru?

The STIs drivetrain has been unchanged from 2004-2018. Time for more than 305-320 hp right?
subaru will never win in a power war against inline 4's when emissions have to be met. id be surprised if they make more power than the current 2.5L. the 2015+ wrx took a big performance hit with the new engine.
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:13 PM   #210
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Old 01-27-2018, 10:43 PM   #211
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subaru will never win in a power war against inline 4's when emissions have to be met. id be surprised if they make more power than the current 2.5L. the 2015+ wrx took a big performance hit with the new engine.
Oh that's a real shame. These boxer engines are all ***** then. What's the benefit? It's not low centre of gravity because the benefits of that are negated when they chuck it in a tall econo sedan or hatch.

Oh well I'm sure the sgb will make it handle nicely even if we just get a 300hp DIT..... Rather that than a heavy expensive auto hybrid tho
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Old 01-27-2018, 11:24 PM   #212
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Haha thought you meant performance hybrid STI at the end of the year.

I'm pumped to see what it is as long as we don't have to wait to long. But an auto hybrid isn't the traditional formula so if that's what it is it had better be amazing and affordable. Can't see it happening tho. Will be z new ICE with 305hp lol
Oh no no no. LOL. But, I'm sure if that's their ultimate goal, what they learn from this one will help achieve it.

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They should be able to squeeze 350hp out of the new ascent engine right? No doubt vw will engage in a power war with ford and give the next golf R 350 hp, so why wouldnt subaru?

The STIs drivetrain has been unchanged from 2004-2018. Time for more than 305-320 hp right?

I am pretty sure power isn't their gig. Performance is. If they could make the car faster with a 270hp engine, I think they would do it. Now, that was just an example. I am sure it'll get a power bump; but, not crazy. They SAID they want to be the leader again; so, in my opinion, faster it will be.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:43 AM   #213
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Also Isnt this the last year for the focus RS making the 350 HP it produced irrelevant for future competitive sales?
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:06 PM   #214
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Come on 350 Hp! (Praying...)
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:35 PM   #215
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me too but what if they gave you 350/350hp/tq..but the motor could only handle 350/350whp/tq on stock internals like the current ej, would you consider this car better? Even at 380whp/tq that's really not much more than what shops are able to get out of the sti now with 3to4 grand in mods. Tbh this car needs 400 hp capable of 430+ or it needs to be 330+ and weigh the same as a brz
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Also Isnt this the last year for the focus RS making the 350 HP it produced irrelevant for future competitive sales?
MK VIII Golf R is on track for 350hp, it’s still a relevant figure for the segment.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:05 AM   #218
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Subaru still cant source a GOOD stereo, so I highly doubt it’s a hybrid. Subaru is too slow to adopt such tech. It will have a new engine, either 2.0 or 2.4. More news should be on tap at the NY auto show I bet.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:38 AM   #219
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You guys should remember that Subaru is the young kid on the block. Its just turning 50 which is only half the age of major car companies. I would say Subaru is leading the way. Its not all about power. Look at the Ford RS having a recall with its motor. The Golf R is nice yet cost much more then a STI. I am sure Subaru knows what it is doing. Side note the HK stereo is a great system. I havent any issues with with.
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Subaru still cant source a GOOD stereo, so I highly doubt it’s a hybrid. Subaru is too slow to adopt such tech. It will have a new engine, either 2.0 or 2.4. More news should be on tap at the NY auto show I bet.
Seems good to me, what makes it bad? What makes a good one good?
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Old 01-29-2018, 12:53 PM   #221
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The H/K in my Impreza is great. No rattles. I thought there were, but it's actually a loose cover attached to the rear view mirror next to the EyeSight cameras.
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Old 01-29-2018, 01:36 PM   #222
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The only drawback to the H/K is the connection issues early on, losing presets, etc...

I think they've for the most part worked out all the kinks.

I can't even get my Pixel 2 to Handshake in my new to me '14 BRZ.

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Old 01-29-2018, 02:28 PM   #223
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I just stream the audio from my phone over Bluetooth, I've never had an issue there. I could see irritation there if it happened to me.
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My money is on bringing the two options. Hybrid and non hybrid. Depending on the market.
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Old 01-29-2018, 07:16 PM   #225
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me too but what if they gave you 350/350hp/tq..but the motor could only handle 350/350whp/tq on stock internals like the current ej, would you consider this car better? Even at 380whp/tq that's really not much more than what shops are able to get out of the sti now with 3to4 grand in mods. Tbh this car needs 400 hp capable of 430+ or it needs to be 330+ and weigh the same as a brz
needs to able to do a 4.2-.3 0-60 and around 13 flat quarter mile to keep up as the poor mans audi s4
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