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Old 04-24-2006, 12:35 PM   #1
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Default Babbling: So instead of making a "street" car like 99.999% of the people in my area..

Ive decided to pay homage to the rally car. Thinking about the 3-lamp light pod for the hood, mud flaps and REAL roof vent w/scoop.


Is this considered more "poser" than going rice? Personally I think it would be unique and even functional for those rare logging-road moments.





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Old 04-24-2006, 12:41 PM   #2
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I have seen ONE fully rallyed out subbie and I have to say i was drooling for about an hour. It looked SO nice. I mean if you rollin around in downtown L.A. that might seem a little wierd but if you have some nice dirt roads around and your area is more rural then i think its a great idea. Post some pics!!!
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Old 04-24-2006, 12:42 PM   #3
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100% Poser. You said it - "rare". The 99.999% of the other time you're not playing Sebastian Loeb, you'll look like a complete choad.
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Old 04-24-2006, 12:43 PM   #4
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mmmmm roof vents.....

Pretty sure those hood light pods ain't street legal.

You should see what 24 oz. rock stars do to your dreams. You ain't asleep, but you ain't awake, either.
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Old 04-24-2006, 12:45 PM   #5
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Pretty sure those hood light pods ain't street legal.

You should see what 24 oz. rock stars do to your dreams. You ain't asleep, but you ain't awake, either.
wtf are you talking about rockstars? As for the pod lights...i havent heard anything about them not being street legal. Why would they be illigal anyway?
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Old 04-24-2006, 12:59 PM   #6
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wtf are you talking about rockstars? As for the pod lights...i havent heard anything about them not being street legal. Why would they be illigal anyway?
The energy drink, Rockstar. Lotsa caffeine.
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Old 04-24-2006, 12:59 PM   #7
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I'm pretty sure those lights are street legal either.

I have seen an '02 with the spoiler, headlights, front, roof vent. Looked really good. Take some pics when you're done
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Old 04-24-2006, 01:59 PM   #8
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I think if you just went with the roof vent and the mudflaps it'd be fine. Probably look very good, but leave the lights in the garage.
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Old 04-24-2006, 02:02 PM   #9
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ehhh, it's maine...you'll be fine with just about anything...

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Old 04-24-2006, 02:37 PM   #10
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you're NOT a rally poser if the car sees gravel/snow/mud etc and you drive it well

couple of suggestions, tho, to make your OBS wagon look like it means back-roads bizness:

forget the light pods. 1) they are super expensive and a VERY large pain to build and install. Even if you start with commercially available pod housings, light pods are a build your own type of affair, and very fiddly to get the lights and mounting rings installed correctly and all the switches and necesary relays wired correctly in the car. and then there's the issue of how to fasten them to the hood without resorting to hacker type bolts...did I mention you might forget about light pods?!

It's much simpler, cheaper, and better to mount driving/fog lights on a permanent light bar. rallylights.com carries real nice bolt-on light bar mounts at reasonable prices. Hella FF1000 driving lights are a nice upgrade, and you can add FF1000 fogs if you want the 4-eyed rallymobile look.

add'l lights ARE legal, driving lites just have to be wired so they switch off with your high beams. you may get grief from police, but they don't have a leg to stand on legally if the lights are wired correctly

forget the roof vent. they ALL leak (at least the ones we've had on our rally cars do.) they excel at sucking stuff into the cabin-- cool air as well as dust, rainwater, sleet, snow, salty road goosh, and even the occasional medium-size bird.

mudflaps are a great idea. mount them with about an inch protruding past edge of wheelwells for best protection. leave 5-6" clearance from the ground or they'll drag on corners and dips.

your stock OBS suspension works remarkably well for rally-style driving on gravel or snow at moderate speeds. tires make more difference here, but that's a different thread.

skidplates from Primitive Racing are a simple bolt-on highly effective upgrade, under $400 for 3/8" tempered alum front and rear for Impreza
get-primitive.com

lastly, if you really want to look like your're driving a rally car, it's best to learn to drive properly in low-grip situations. Team O'Neil courses will help you not only on your favorite rally wannabe roads, but in everyday driving. the most cost-effective route to better driving skills. teamoneil.com

cheers, have fun but be safe.

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Old 04-24-2006, 03:38 PM   #11
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you're NOT a rally poser if the car sees gravel/snow/mud etc and you drive it well - It sees all of the above

couple of suggestions, tho, to make your OBS wagon look like it means back-roads bizness:

forget the light pods. 1) they are super expensive and a VERY large pain to build and install. Even if you start with commercially available pod housings, light pods are a build your own type of affair, and very fiddly to get the lights and mounting rings installed correctly and all the switches and necesary relays wired correctly in the car. and then there's the issue of how to fasten them to the hood without resorting to hacker type bolts...did I mention you might forget about light pods?!

It's much simpler, cheaper, and better to mount driving/fog lights on a permanent light bar. rallylights.com carries real nice bolt-on light bar mounts at reasonable prices. Hella FF1000 driving lights are a nice upgrade, and you can add FF1000 fogs if you want the 4-eyed rallymobile look. I'll check them out. I did want something permanent and this sounds like a much better idea.

add'l lights ARE legal, driving lites just have to be wired so they switch off with your high beams. you may get grief from police, but they don't have a leg to stand on legally if the lights are wired correctly I was going to rig them up on their own seperate switch, and from the sounds of it I should wire it so it kills them on high beams as well. I sorta wanted to be able to run them when I have my highs on as well (NEVER ON THE STREET) but if I have to do it this way..no biggie.

forget the roof vent. they ALL leak (at least the ones we've had on our rally cars do.) they excel at sucking stuff into the cabin-- cool air as well as dust, rainwater, sleet, snow, salty road goosh, and even the occasional medium-size bird. I saw the aluminum one on Primitive Racing and I figured with a little extra liquid gasket I could make it not leak at all. I really wanted it because I was going to remove my AC system since I hate AC to begin with (and its broken anyways). You sure that with a little extra effort I cant keep it from leaking and sucking in badness? I was also going to put some window screen in there to limit the debris and water intake.

mudflaps are a great idea. mount them with about an inch protruding past edge of wheelwells for best protection. leave 5-6" clearance from the ground or they'll drag on corners and dips. Roger!

your stock OBS suspension works remarkably well for rally-style driving on gravel or snow at moderate speeds. tires make more difference here, but that's a different thread. I still have my winter tires (Winterforce M+S) on and plan on leaving them on the 15s. I should be getting some stock WRX 16's and plan on putting street tires on those...have a thread on that in NESIC

skidplates from Primitive Racing are a simple bolt-on highly effective upgrade, under $400 for 3/8" tempered alum front and rear for Impreza
get-primitive.com I NEED/WANT ONE OF THOSE

lastly, if you really want to look like your're driving a rally car, it's best to learn to drive properly in low-grip situations. Team O'Neil courses will help you not only on your favorite rally wannabe roads, but in everyday driving. the most cost-effective route to better driving skills. teamoneil.com

cheers, have fun but be safe.

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Hope you can see red...I made my responses above
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Old 04-24-2006, 04:26 PM   #12
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no prob, i read red fine

wiring the Hella lights is no sweat, they provide great instructions and all the partz you need. hot lead to batt, get a good ground, hook up relay, wires to dash switch (fitted onto blank switch placment on dash) , vampire-tap the interrrupter to hi beam power lead (check your wiring diagram for color/location) and you're good to go. driving lights set up this way switch on/off from the dash, and when ON, only work when your high beams are up. douse the hi beams, and the rally lights go out too.

I have the FF1000 driving lights on the light bar, and Hella 500 fogs mounted in the stock fog locations on my Rex wagon, and the combo is a great upgrade from the feeble stock bugeye lites.

Any roof vent leaks and scoops up crapola no matter how ya try it. we have mounted the trapdoors backwards and frontwards, with/without exterior scoops, caulked-glued-riveted-bolted , and they still leak. with external scoop, you're creating a low-pressure zone that pulls air--and whatever is IN the air--into the cabin. thus dust sleet snow birds yugos, etc. the fresh air function of your onboard heater system has a labyrinth of passages and filters and traps to keep this stuff out. the roof vent is just a direct blast of air and whatever else is flying around

oh yeh, forgot to mention that roof vents are LOUD. we have to use the raly car's onboard intercom to deal with the wind noise.

then again, a patina of dust and blackflies and mud spatters from your roof vent lends a certain "Crusty Rally Lad" air that is quite genuine....

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Old 04-24-2006, 04:45 PM   #13
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Though not exactly legal, I wired up my FF1000's to come on with the high beams and off on low. This way when I'm driving home on the pitch ass black, deer infested roads by my house, I've got everything lit up. But, it's immediately dimmable using the stock selector. One touch, no fuss, no muss. They can also be turned off totally using the stock fog light switch. Instructions are on Scoobymods.com. I think it's the best way to go.
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Old 04-24-2006, 04:53 PM   #14
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sounds kinda like yesitsdrew5310's car with his recent mods, roof vent, wrx hood & rally light bar with 5 lights, have you seen his write-ups / pics?


http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45353

the pics in the write-up on nasioc for the roof vent install don't have the light bar.
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:36 PM   #15
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regarding the legality of lights: Unless the poster above specifically researched Maine, he is probably not correct. it varies from state to state.

For instance, in Missouri, you're allowed to have no more 4 forward facing lights on at any one time, and they must all be white(as opposed to amber or red). On the sides of the car, any lights that show up must be amber and all rear lights(other than reverse lights) must be red. You are not allowed to have any blue lights whatsoever.

There's no qualification as to linking with the high beams, as far as Missouri is concerned. In many cars, your lights turn off when you turn your high beams on a) because of power concerns and b) because of that light number rule(if your headlights are the type that leave both highs and lows on when brights are selected, like the STi for example, leaving foglights on as well would put you over the magic number of four)

I found this information for my state on the internet at the MoDOT website, I imagine you can find yours as well. It will take some reading of the statutes. Be careful who you listen to on the forums as(obviously) people will state what they think to be true without knowing anything at all in reality.

The really best way is to go to a police station and ask, because most of them will know it by heart and be happy to provide the information. This has other benefits such as getting the chance to introduce yourself to people who may one day pull you over as an eagerly law abiding citizen. Also, there is often a difference between what's written down as law and what cops tend to enforce, and you can best find that out by asking them.

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Old 04-24-2006, 06:44 PM   #16
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rally cars dont have lights above the bottom of the windshield.

desert race cars do but they are an entirely different animal.
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100% Poser. You said it - "rare". The 99.999% of the other time you're not playing Sebastian Loeb, you'll look like a complete choad.
Thanks, Al... I really appreciate that, considering I have a roof scoop/vent/mudflaps.
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100% Poser. You said it - "rare". The 99.999% of the other time you're not playing Sebastian Loeb, you'll look like a complete choad.
It seems like if you just went with some extra lights and mudflaps, it could look good, but sporting the roof vent on your daily driver might make you look like a bit of a toolshed
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Old 04-25-2006, 07:55 AM   #19
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Thanks, Al... I really appreciate that, considering I have a roof scoop/vent/mudflaps.
Ken,

You're fine. Just say no the light pod.
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I'm pretty sure the 4-forward-facing-lights law applies here in MA as well, but I've got my stock fogs, an aux pair of fogs, and an aux pair of driving lights and I haven't had any problems with police. I regularly run my stock lights and fogs, as well as my aux fogs (6 forward lights) by police and haven't had a problem. I haven't yet wired my aux driving lights to switch with my highs yet, so I don't use them all that often (flipping the switch and the high beam stalk takes too long if I come around a corner and am blinding oncoming traffic). That's to be done the next time I've got a couple hours of under-dash time set aside.
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i've noticed that what really makes the rally car look mean are the wide fenders, front bumper, and the wing. i've seen cars with the roof vent, hood vent, mud flaps, and decals, but it looks pretty wiggity-weiner without the full body kit
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Old 04-25-2006, 10:29 AM   #22
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THis is excellent info. THank you everyone (who didnt call me a tool. just kidding. sort of )

I've been looking over the primitive racing site, heres some things im interested in:





I needed one of these ANYWAYS (AFR gauge):


Dreaming....maybe someday:


More in a bit...work beckons.

EDIT: non-primitive racing:

http://www.rallitek.com/yhst-4918738...6jdmrefrl.html


rallyinnovations lightbar

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You should make a car for the sidewalk instead of the street!
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i've noticed that what really makes the rally car look mean are the wide fenders, front bumper, and the wing...
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to really help the look fit some 15" wheels up w/a set of nokian WRs. they will give you a rally tire look plus be a ver functional all season tire that will work very well for rallycross and "spirited" driving.
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