We need a platform agnostic electric car thread

[NutBucket]

Except a house in a place I want to live?

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[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by NutBucket

Except a house in a place I want to live?

Yes! That would be "tempting".

[edkwon]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/6/23...d-quits-rivian

Tesla’s head of raw materials, who worked to acquire aluminum and steel for the automaker’s vehicles that includes Cybertruck, is reportedly jumping ship to rival electric truck maker Rivian.

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[xenocide]

Elon is on his downhill slide. It was a good run.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by NutBucket

"The Single Motor is real-wheel drive, offering an estimated range of 275 miles, going 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds and with 253 lbs-ft of torque. The Twin Motor is all-wheel drive with a slightly shorter range at 265 miles, goes 0 to 60 in 3.6 seconds and has 400 lbs-ft of torque. Built with performance in mind, the Twin Motor delivers 154 more horsepower (a total of 422 HP) than its single motor sibling.

The Volvo EX30 is available for pre-order in the US starting at $34,950, with a cross-country variant launching next year."

https://youtu.be/wBiENXMPUDw

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I really like the size of this. Interior is neat too.

Also, I hear the Electric Cayman is debuting possibly tomorrow...

[Furiousd1983]

Originally Posted by xenocide

Elon is on his downhill slide. It was a good run.

I think the first time I said "Tesla's BoD will eventually have to separate Elon from the company it wants to survive" was shortly after the ****show that was the Cybertruck reveal.

That doomsday clock has started to rocket towards "midnight" over the last year.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by xenocide

Elon is on his downhill slide. It was a good run.

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

I think the first time I said "Tesla's BoD will eventually have to separate Elon from the company it wants to survive" was shortly after the ****show that was the Cybertruck reveal.

That doomsday clock has started to rocket towards "midnight" over the last year.

This has been the story for a decade. Tesla employees are always in high demand. They come, they go, their IP is retained. An underling steps up, or someone new is hired. Tesla is the ultimate company for engineers to work for. This is just how silicon valley works. Tesla and Elon's demise are greatly exaggerated.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

http://youtu.be/igRDY0u_4hE

I really like the size of this. Interior is neat too.

Also, I hear the Electric Cayman is debuting possibly tomorrow...

If they can get volume up, and don't crush the price with options, then this could be a game changer. The size is a little small, but it could be a great option.

[Balantz]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

http://youtu.be/igRDY0u_4hE

I really like the size of this. Interior is neat too.

Dude. Want. I will seriously consider this in a year or so after new model bugs are worked out.

I really want to own a volvo someday. My parents had a beat up 1969 122s that my mom loved to drive with, shall we say, verve.

[Furiousd1983]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

This has been the story for a decade. Tesla employees are always in high demand. They come, they go, their IP is retained. An underling steps up, or someone new is hired. Tesla is the ultimate company for engineers to work for. This is just how silicon valley works. Tesla and Elon's demise are greatly exaggerated.

Employees coming and going is nowhere near as big a story as "**** Elon said on Twitter today".

The very public face of the company turning off existing and potentially new customers with new and exciting bat****tery on a daily basis can only go on for so long before it affects the bottom line.

TSLA is down roughly 30% from where it was before Elon said he was buying Twitter, and it was down almost double that in the immediate aftermath of him walking through the lobby carrying a kitchen sink.

I'm honestly surprised shareholders weren't calling for his head when the stock was hovering near double digits during the holidays.

[shaw169]

I really like the XC30, but the made in China with only the CCS charger are two major drawbacks to me.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

Employees coming and going is nowhere near as big a story as "**** Elon said on Twitter today".

The very public face of the company turning off existing and potentially new customers with new and exciting bat****tery on a daily basis can only go on for so long before it affects the bottom line.

TSLA is down roughly 30% from where it was before Elon said he was buying Twitter, and it was down almost double that in the immediate aftermath of him walking through the lobby carrying a kitchen sink.

I'm honestly surprised shareholders weren't calling for his head when the stock was hovering near double digits during the holidays.

None of that has to do with an employee leaving to join Rivian.

Elon, being Elon, on Twitter is white noise. Ignore it, and enjoy the cars. That is what's important...the cars.

TSLA is up 84% YTD. Rivian is down -25%, Polestar is down -37%. We are in a high interest rate environment, with an unknown economic climate pending.

[Furiousd1983]

Sure, +84% YTD sounds great if you look at it out context from the final three quarters of 2022. The stock was in free fall through all of his BS from announcement, to attempting to weasel out, all the way through finalizing the purchase/burning the building down.

I'm sure the cars are great, I still have zero interest in helping line that douche canoe's pockets.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

Sure, +84% YTD sounds great if you look at it out context from the final three quarters of 2022. The stock was in free fall through all of his BS from announcement, to attempting to weasel out, all the way through finalizing the purchase/burning the building down.

I'm sure the cars are great, I still have zero interest in helping line that douche canoe's pockets.

That's fine. He still makes the best EVs on the road, and has had the largest impact on the industry in the past 100 years. You don't have to like him, or his adolescent actions. In a year, he may be on a new trend. His cars will still be more important.

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

That's fine. He still makes the best EVs on the road, and has had the largest impact on the industry in the past 100 years. You don't have to like him, or his adolescent actions. In a year, he may be on a new trend. His cars will still be more important.

Always a pet peeve of mine, same with Steve Jobs when he was alive and the frontman for Apple, neither of these guys actually made, engineered, or built their most iconic products, they are ideas guys who assembled a team of very smart people who did all the real work...

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[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by edkwon

Always a pet peeve of mine, same with Steve Jobs when he was alive and the frontman for Apple, neither of these guys actually made, engineered, or built their most iconic products, they are ideas guys who assembled a team of very smart people who did all the real work...

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He is literally the only person on the line. He mines the ore, smelts it, molds the plastics and solders the chips. All. By. Himself.

Come on, man. He's the reason why the company has been so successful. He put together the team, has implemented it, taken risks, made mistakes and is changing the narrative around EVs. No one else in history has done that. It's not a team of 1, but he is the catalyst.

[shikataganai]

He got lucky. Lucky with the timing of the dot com boom and his well connected family that got his white pages company bought out. Lucky with X.com's timing re that market. Lucky wrt GM/Toyota dumping NUMMI. Lucky with the Fed loan program ~2008. And then lucky that Mercedes and the Saudis bailed him out when the cash was running low.

Take away that luck and you have Dunning Kruger personified.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by shikataganai

He got lucky. Lucky with the timing of the dot com boom and his well connected family that got his white pages company bought out. Lucky with X.com's timing re that market. Lucky wrt GM/Toyota dumping NUMMI. Lucky with the Fed loan program ~2008. And then lucky that Mercedes and the Saudis bailed him out when the cash was running low.

Take away that luck and you have Dunning Kruger personified.

I'd rather be lucky than good. Right? He's changing the world. Just accept it, and enjoy the results.

[shikataganai]

Originally Posted by edkwon

Lucid is really desperate to move some cars and fill orders, pretty decent lease packages and 0.99% APR financing for up to 72 Mos?

If I was in the market to buy a new EV sedan now it would be tempting

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apparently that's $1,300/mo after $11k down

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

He is literally the only person on the line. He mines the ore, smelts it, molds the plastics and solders the chips. All. By. Himself.

Come on, man. He's the reason why the company has been so successful. He put together the team, has implemented it, taken risks, made mistakes and is changing the narrative around EVs. No one else in history has done that. It's not a team of 1, but he is the catalyst.

I'm a very anti-cult of personality type and dislike putting one guy on a pedestal for achievements that took A LOT of people to accomplish. But given how our current culture and populace lives off of cult of personality, I know I'm in the minority.

Feel free to call me a commie socialist (or whatever current political insult with the kids these days) for that attitude, that's fine.

[Furiousd1983]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Come on, man. He's the reason why the company has been so successful. He put together the team, has implemented it, taken risks, made mistakes and is changing the narrative around EVs. No one else in history has done that. It's not a team of 1, but he is the catalyst.

I might've believed that prior to the "real Elon" revealing himself over the last half decade.

Sure, "better to lucky than good..." but the belief that Elon is some sort of super genius is long gone.

He's basically a "1980s Donald Trump" for the modern day.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by edkwon

I'm a very anti-cult of personality type and dislike putting one guy on a pedestal for achievements that took A LOT of people to accomplish. But given how our current culture and populace lives off of cult of personality, I know I'm in the minority.

Feel free to call me a commie socialist (or whatever current political insult with the kids these days) for that attitude, that's fine.

Haha, not at all. I just believe that he has had more to do with their success than your average CEO. I do think that if he disappeared in 2017, we would not have received the Model 3/Y, and they would either have been bought out or went bankrupt for good. Millions of EVs are on the roads today, and millions more are being developed (by all brands) because of his leadership in the market. Not by himself, the company has many people, but without him at the helm, they would have floundered. The amount of key-man-risk at Tesla is incredible. Way worse than Apple.

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

I might've believed that prior to the "real Elon" revealing himself over the last half decade.

Sure, "better to lucky than good..." but the belief that Elon is some sort of super genius is long gone.

He's basically a "1980s Donald Trump" for the modern day.

I don't agree, but that's what makes this place fun.

[Furiousd1983]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Haha, not at all. I just believe that his dad's money had more to do with their success than your average CEO. I do think that if his money disappeared in 2017, we would not have received the Model 3/Y, and they would either have been bought out or went bankrupt for good. Millions of EVs are on the roads today, and millions more are being developed (by all brands) because of his dad's money in the market. Not by himself, the company has many people, but without his money at the helm, they would have floundered. The amount of key-man-risk at Tesla is incredible. Way worse than Apple.

This I agree with!

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

Sure, +84% YTD sounds great if you look at it out context from the final three quarters of 2022. The stock was in free fall through all of his BS from announcement, to attempting to weasel out, all the way through finalizing the purchase/burning the building down.

I'm sure the cars are great, I still have zero interest in helping line that douche canoe's pockets.

Rivian is down 89% since IPO now do Tesla. I think Tesla stock crashed mostly because of interest rates and becuase they technically missed some analysis consensus although they hit record after record numbers. But I agree that Twitter also help to tank the stock and Elon's mouth. Elon only own 20% of Tesla so you are not really entirely putting your entire money in his pocket. Also, if you have some kind of 401k there is a 90% probability that you own Tesla stock.

There is a rumor that Porsche already but the Plaid Nürburgring record. I wonder if is the Taycan GT with that huge wing or a new models. They might announce it today at their 75 year anniversary.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

Rivian is down 89% since IPO now do Tesla. I think Tesla stock crashed mostly because of interest rates and becuase they technically missed some analysis consensus although they hit record after record numbers. But I agree that Twitter also help to tank the stock and Elon's mouth. Elon only own 20% of Tesla so you are not really entirely putting your entire money in his pocket. Also, if you have some kind of 401k there is a 90% probability that you own Tesla stock.

There is a rumor that Porsche already but the Plaid Nürburgring record. I wonder if is the Taycan GT with that huge wing or a new models. They might announce it today at their 75 year anniversary.

12.97% ownership, as of 3/8/23 per my FactSet. Although, that is still double the 2nd largest owner. He had 20% back in 2017.