What is the best intake you can get right now?

Hanzo · 12-08-2001, 10:14 PM

I did a search and there are no topics that look relevant to this question so I ask.

What is the best (most hp gain) intake you can buy right now that doesn't damage the engine from water intrusion?

I like the XS engineer intake however I don't think they sell them now and I would like to get the intake before I get the Unichip so I can have the chip tuned to the intake mod for maximum performance.

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sherifx · 12-08-2001, 10:25 PM

nobody seems to have any personally tested dyno plots... AEM really seems (atleast to me) to be the best soo far... but you'll run in to water issues with any CAI, and Heat soak issues with any non-CAI... so *shrug* its really up to you... why don't you just wait till after the winter, or possibly a little after the new year and see what companies put out... I'm really left to question, whats the rush?

sherif

Hanzo · 12-08-2001, 10:36 PM

The only reason I want to get it now is because I am getting the Unichip from turboxs middle of this month. Since I live in VA I am going to drive to turboxs at MD to get them to tune the chip with the intake on my car.

Tuning Factory Inc. · 12-08-2001, 10:48 PM

Just get a K&N panel filter for now and then you can swap it out later and sell it. It's super cheap so you're not out a lot of money this way. I'll be using the Blitz SUS filter personally.

sherifx · 12-08-2001, 11:06 PM

First of all, did you already schedule an appt. with turbo XS? Why are you going with Turbo XS? Personally I've heard better things about the daily drivability of Shiv's (Vishnu Motorsports) Unichip... If you have no obligation to TurboXS, then why not wait... if you do have an obligation, I'd say go with AEM... The Blitz is no doubtly good, but I'd fear heat soak above all... *shrug* my .02cents

sherif

Hanzo · 12-08-2001, 11:19 PM

No I don't have a schedule yet with turboxs but they told me I should be able to purchase the chip mid December. As for Shiv's stage zero, I don't know much about it and I emailed Shiv 3 weeks ago but never heard back. And I think the stage zeros' unichip doesn't have wiring harness.

nhluhr · 12-08-2001, 11:24 PM

in terms of quality and performance, the APS is hands down the best. However, you WILL get a CEL without an AFC or a Unichip or other form of air/fuel control.

It is designed bigger than any other intake and thus has the throatiest sound, the best seal to the fender, and the most air capacity.

But like I said, if you can't live with a CEL, don't get it.

sherifx · 12-08-2001, 11:26 PM

don't worry soo much abou the wiring harness as much as the drivability of the car... and I wasn't necessisarily talking abou the stage zero kit either, but I'd still suggest it anyways...

there was some guy posting who lived in a very high traffic area who said that the TurboXS was a bother to try and drive within the city, it was, or seemed to be, more tuned for drag racers, but then the guy switched to a Vishnu chip and said the car was instantly more agreeable... to quote him, "like stock, only better and more powerful." If yer using yer car as a daily driver, slow down and figure out what you are going to be tuning for... if high performance, then go all out, but if you are going to be driving this car daily, then you may want a more liveable car... I'd go with Shiv, yeah he's a busy guy but I've taked to him on the phone, he's more than accomodating and will set you up right... PM him rather than email him, thats how I got the quickest response...

sherif

Austin · 12-08-2001, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanzo
No I don't have a schedule yet with turboxs but they told me I should be able to purchase the chip mid December. As for Shiv's stage zero, I don't know much about it and I emailed Shiv 3 weeks ago but never heard back. And I think the stage zeros' unichip doesn't have wiring harness.

Shiv's stage 0 doesn't have a wiring harness, but it's only four wires anyway... no real need for a harness.

Hanzo · 12-09-2001, 02:14 AM

Thanks for the enlightenment, I will PM Shiv and give it a try.

jmott · 12-09-2001, 02:18 AM

there is nothing about a chip geared for performance that will make it a pain to drive on the street.

Quote:

Originally posted by sherifx
don't worry soo much abou the wiring harness as much as the drivability of the car... and I wasn't necessisarily talking abou the stage zero kit either, but I'd still suggest it anyways...

there was some guy posting who lived in a very high traffic area who said that the TurboXS was a bother to try and drive within the city, it was, or seemed to be, more tuned for drag racers, but then the guy switched to a Vishnu chip and said the car was instantly more agreeable... to quote him, "like stock, only better and more powerful." If yer using yer car as a daily driver, slow down and figure out what you are going to be tuning for... if high performance, then go all out, but if you are going to be driving this car daily, then you may want a more liveable car... I'd go with Shiv, yeah he's a busy guy but I've taked to him on the phone, he's more than accomodating and will set you up right... PM him rather than email him, thats how I got the quickest response...

sherif

sherifx · 12-09-2001, 03:06 AM

jmott... um.. yeah there is... high boost levels in the lower end of the rpm band? try driving up hill with alot of boost... and control it... you'll burn out yer clutch... or try driving in a traffic jam... rev yer engine too much and you'll lurch ahead almost hitting the person ahead of you...

and thats only one side portion of the tuning that goes in to the unichip, again

My point is not whether the chip is tuned for performance or not... my point is what kind of performance... You can tune a chip to be very strong all around, yet not very practical for daily driving, and you can tune a chip to give you a bit more performance across the powerband yet still be liveable...

sherif

Conduit · 12-09-2001, 03:40 AM

The blitz doesn't filter as well as the Apex-i and flows the same. I'm personally switching to the Apex-i filter on my AEM after I work out some secondary water shielding.
take care,
rob

potouli · 12-09-2001, 01:51 PM

I agree, I had the turbo xs chip w/harness on for 1k but it was not practical w/o an ebc to switch to stock settings when driving around the city. Had the stage 0 put in last week, and it is much more manageable, power and performance when you want not every time your foot gets near the gas pedal. no need for an ebc. btw. sold the turbo xs chip and ebc on ebay for more than I paid.

tdman77 · 12-09-2001, 02:09 PM

I don't under stand how the unichip makes the car not suitable for day to day driving? It's the program you get that makes the difference. I have a unichip that was dynoed tuned at TurboXs and have no problems driving in rush hour traffic. The program is set to only give 7psi at 40 throttle or less. I can't see any reason to give it any more throttle while dirving in town anyways. As for the harness thing, well do you want to hack up you new car?

sherifx · 12-09-2001, 02:41 PM

tdman, read a bit closer man, nobody is arguing about the whether or not the unichip will make your daily driving more of a hassle, just the programing of the unichip. People have been saying that the TurboXS programming of the unichip is a bit harder to deal with during daily driving situations... so *shrug* thats all

sherif

boostaholic · 12-09-2001, 03:40 PM

This whole topic has me laughing very hard.

MiXer · 12-09-2001, 04:31 PM

Of course the Stage 0 is going to be "more streetable" than just a Unichip/EBC.... the S0 kit comes with underdrive/lightweight pulleys! This automatically shifts the torque curve to the left while also increasing power in the higher rpm's.

You guys aren't arguing apples to apples.

keystone · 12-09-2001, 04:52 PM

Im using the Injen CAI. It works great, notice a little better upper end, but the biggest improvement is that I am able to retain boost throught the entire powerband, and spool time is decreased slightly. i have had great luck with this intake, with no CEL issues.BTW, I havnt had any water issues with my CAI. It has rained real hard, and my filter stays totally dry. some other intakes could go into the fender further? Im not sure...

shiv · 12-09-2001, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MiXer
Of course the Stage 0 is going to be "more streetable" than just a Unichip/EBC.... the S0 kit comes with underdrive/lightweight pulleys! This automatically shifts the torque curve to the left while also increasing power in the higher rpm's.

No it doesn't

The pulley bumps up the entire torque curve by several foot-pounds. Peak torque and hp are still made at the same engine speed. Also, this has very little to do with the differences in driving charactertics between the two systems. That's a function of programming, boost control strategy and load referencing.

my 2c,
shiv

DarthChicken · 12-10-2001, 02:03 AM

The turboxs chip is not streetable?

Ok, I have a GFB pully setup, a Perrin Industries up pipe (the proto, his first off

), a BPM TT exhaust system (with a MILL eliminator wired into the rear O2 sensor wiring), IGT Filter panel with silencer removal, and the turboxs 1.5 mapping.

I'm guessing right around 290hp - feel free to guestimate along with me

Anyway.... it is COMPLETELY streetable. No weird boost surges, no "full boost going up hills", nothing like that. The whole car just feels more powerful, stronger. Much like somebody added cubic inches to the block, not more boost. My gas mileage is about the same, the car is untouchable on the streets for the most part, and I can drive through neighborhoods without having parents running outside scared for their children.

And I consider myself unlucky when it comes to the turboxs chip. The blue restrictor hose didn't work (19 pounds of boost), the grey one didn't work, so I put on a needle valve, and everything is perfect!

If you had problems with your turboxs chip, I would suggest CALLING THE TUNER!! Let him/her know what you are seeing... get some good gauges, so you can talk intelligently (EGTs, Boost levels).... if you get a code, pull it, don't just reset it.

FuZZyLoGiC · 12-10-2001, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Austin
Shiv's stage 0 doesn't have a wiring harness, but it's only four wires anyway... no real need for a harness.

With the harnes you can remove the TurboXs Unichip with not sign it was there. By cutting

four little wire on your ECU you will be kissing your warranty good by. Ive got the TBXS Unichip and it runs great. I had issues with it at first but the chip has to go through a learning stage and now its much stronger.

12-08-2001, 10:14 PM	#1
Hanzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 2487 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Satin Pearl White	What is the best intake you can get right now? I did a search and there are no topics that look relevant to this question so I ask. What is the best (most hp gain) intake you can buy right now that doesn't damage the engine from water intrusion? I like the XS engineer intake however I don't think they sell them now and I would like to get the intake before I get the Unichip so I can have the chip tuned to the intake mod for maximum performance. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-09-2001, 01:51 PM	#14
potouli Scooby Newbie Member#: 12123 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX WR Blue Stage0 Greddyevo	stage 0 is an awesome daily driver I agree, I had the turbo xs chip w/harness on for 1k but it was not practical w/o an ebc to switch to stock settings when driving around the city. Had the stage 0 put in last week, and it is much more manageable, power and performance when you want not every time your foot gets near the gas pedal. no need for an ebc. btw. sold the turbo xs chip and ebc on ebay for more than I paid.

12-10-2001, 02:03 AM	#21
DarthChicken Scooby Specialist Member#: 9073 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Hillsboro, OR. Vehicle: 2006 ariel atom wrb/bbs gold frame	The turboxs chip is not streetable? Ok, I have a GFB pully setup, a Perrin Industries up pipe (the proto, his first off ), a BPM TT exhaust system (with a MILL eliminator wired into the rear O2 sensor wiring), IGT Filter panel with silencer removal, and the turboxs 1.5 mapping. I'm guessing right around 290hp - feel free to guestimate along with me Anyway.... it is COMPLETELY streetable. No weird boost surges, no "full boost going up hills", nothing like that. The whole car just feels more powerful, stronger. Much like somebody added cubic inches to the block, not more boost. My gas mileage is about the same, the car is untouchable on the streets for the most part, and I can drive through neighborhoods without having parents running outside scared for their children. And I consider myself unlucky when it comes to the turboxs chip. The blue restrictor hose didn't work (19 pounds of boost), the grey one didn't work, so I put on a needle valve, and everything is perfect! If you had problems with your turboxs chip, I would suggest CALLING THE TUNER!! Let him/her know what you are seeing... get some good gauges, so you can talk intelligently (EGTs, Boost levels).... if you get a code, pull it, don't just reset it. Last edited by DarthChicken; 12-10-2001 at 02:13 AM.

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12-08-2001, 10:25 PM	#2
sherifx Scooby Guru Member#: 10780 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: RIP #92 Vehicle: ---- BRZ Galaxy Blue Silica	nobody seems to have any personally tested dyno plots... AEM really seems (atleast to me) to be the best soo far... but you'll run in to water issues with any CAI, and Heat soak issues with any non-CAI... so shrug its really up to you... why don't you just wait till after the winter, or possibly a little after the new year and see what companies put out... I'm really left to question, whats the rush? sherif

12-08-2001, 10:36 PM	#3
Hanzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 2487 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Satin Pearl White	The only reason I want to get it now is because I am getting the Unichip from turboxs middle of this month. Since I live in VA I am going to drive to turboxs at MD to get them to tune the chip with the intake on my car.

12-08-2001, 10:48 PM	#4
Tuning Factory Inc. Vendor Member#: 3600 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA	Just get a K&N panel filter for now and then you can swap it out later and sell it. It's super cheap so you're not out a lot of money this way. I'll be using the Blitz SUS filter personally.

12-08-2001, 11:06 PM	#5
sherifx Scooby Guru Member#: 10780 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: RIP #92 Vehicle: ---- BRZ Galaxy Blue Silica	First of all, did you already schedule an appt. with turbo XS? Why are you going with Turbo XS? Personally I've heard better things about the daily drivability of Shiv's (Vishnu Motorsports) Unichip... If you have no obligation to TurboXS, then why not wait... if you do have an obligation, I'd say go with AEM... The Blitz is no doubtly good, but I'd fear heat soak above all... shrug my .02cents sherif

12-08-2001, 11:19 PM	#6
Hanzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 2487 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Satin Pearl White	No I don't have a schedule yet with turboxs but they told me I should be able to purchase the chip mid December. As for Shiv's stage zero, I don't know much about it and I emailed Shiv 3 weeks ago but never heard back. And I think the stage zeros' unichip doesn't have wiring harness.

12-08-2001, 11:24 PM	#7
nhluhr Scooby Guru Member#: 7327 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2008 Mazdaspeed3 2025 Mazda CX-50 Turbo	in terms of quality and performance, the APS is hands down the best. However, you WILL get a CEL without an AFC or a Unichip or other form of air/fuel control. It is designed bigger than any other intake and thus has the throatiest sound, the best seal to the fender, and the most air capacity. But like I said, if you can't live with a CEL, don't get it.

12-08-2001, 11:26 PM	#8
sherifx Scooby Guru Member#: 10780 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: RIP #92 Vehicle: ---- BRZ Galaxy Blue Silica	don't worry soo much abou the wiring harness as much as the drivability of the car... and I wasn't necessisarily talking abou the stage zero kit either, but I'd still suggest it anyways... there was some guy posting who lived in a very high traffic area who said that the TurboXS was a bother to try and drive within the city, it was, or seemed to be, more tuned for drag racers, but then the guy switched to a Vishnu chip and said the car was instantly more agreeable... to quote him, "like stock, only better and more powerful." If yer using yer car as a daily driver, slow down and figure out what you are going to be tuning for... if high performance, then go all out, but if you are going to be driving this car daily, then you may want a more liveable car... I'd go with Shiv, yeah he's a busy guy but I've taked to him on the phone, he's more than accomodating and will set you up right... PM him rather than email him, thats how I got the quickest response... sherif

12-09-2001, 02:14 AM	#10
Hanzo Scooby Specialist Member#: 2487 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Satin Pearl White	Thanks for the enlightenment, I will PM Shiv and give it a try.

12-09-2001, 03:06 AM	#12
sherifx Scooby Guru Member#: 10780 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: RIP #92 Vehicle: ---- BRZ Galaxy Blue Silica	jmott... um.. yeah there is... high boost levels in the lower end of the rpm band? try driving up hill with alot of boost... and control it... you'll burn out yer clutch... or try driving in a traffic jam... rev yer engine too much and you'll lurch ahead almost hitting the person ahead of you... and thats only one side portion of the tuning that goes in to the unichip, again My point is not whether the chip is tuned for performance or not... my point is what kind of performance... You can tune a chip to be very strong all around, yet not very practical for daily driving, and you can tune a chip to give you a bit more performance across the powerband yet still be liveable... sherif

12-09-2001, 03:40 AM	#13
Conduit Scooby Specialist Member#: 6162 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, FL. USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX MBP, 1st WRX Ever in FL.	The blitz doesn't filter as well as the Apex-i and flows the same. I'm personally switching to the Apex-i filter on my AEM after I work out some secondary water shielding. take care, rob

12-09-2001, 02:09 PM	#15
tdman77 Scooby Specialist Member#: 9832 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2022 WRX Magnetite Gray	I don't under stand how the unichip makes the car not suitable for day to day driving? It's the program you get that makes the difference. I have a unichip that was dynoed tuned at TurboXs and have no problems driving in rush hour traffic. The program is set to only give 7psi at 40 throttle or less. I can't see any reason to give it any more throttle while dirving in town anyways. As for the harness thing, well do you want to hack up you new car?

12-09-2001, 02:41 PM	#16
sherifx Scooby Guru Member#: 10780 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: RIP #92 Vehicle: ---- BRZ Galaxy Blue Silica	tdman, read a bit closer man, nobody is arguing about the whether or not the unichip will make your daily driving more of a hassle, just the programing of the unichip. People have been saying that the TurboXS programming of the unichip is a bit harder to deal with during daily driving situations... so shrug thats all sherif

12-09-2001, 03:40 PM	#17
boostaholic Scooby Newbie Member#: 7224 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: USA Vehicle: 2002 WR Blue WRX 13's with just a MBC	This whole topic has me laughing very hard.

12-09-2001, 04:31 PM	#18
MiXer Scooby Newbie Member#: 5630 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bay area, CA Vehicle: 2002 Subaru WRX WR Blue	Of course the Stage 0 is going to be "more streetable" than just a Unichip/EBC.... the S0 kit comes with underdrive/lightweight pulleys! This automatically shifts the torque curve to the left while also increasing power in the higher rpm's. You guys aren't arguing apples to apples.

12-09-2001, 04:52 PM	#19
keystone Scooby Newbie Member#: 9807 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Saint Louis, MO Vehicle: 2002 WRX BLUE	Im using the Injen CAI. It works great, notice a little better upper end, but the biggest improvement is that I am able to retain boost throught the entire powerband, and spool time is decreased slightly. i have had great luck with this intake, with no CEL issues.BTW, I havnt had any water issues with my CAI. It has rained real hard, and my filter stays totally dry. some other intakes could go into the fender further? Im not sure...