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Old 03-11-2022, 04:04 PM   #1
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STATEMENT ON SUBARU STI

As the automotive marketplace continues to move towards electrification, Subaru is focused on how our future sports and performance cars should evolve to meet the needs of the changing marketplace and the regulations and requirements for greenhouse gasses (GHG), zero emissions vehicles (ZEV), and Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAF…).

As part of that effort, Subaru Corporation is exploring opportunities for the next generation Subaru WRX STI, including electrification. In the meantime, a next generation internal combustion engine WRX STI will not be produced based upon the new WRX platform.

The Subaru WRX STI and the STI brand represent the zenith of Subaruís performance vehicles exemplifying Subaruís unique DNA and rally heritage. As we look to the future, we also look forward to incorporating the essence of STI into our next generation of vehicles.
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:10 PM   #2
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So that's why the top trim WRX is so expensive.
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:10 PM   #3
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A little early for an April's Fools joke isn't it Subaru?
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:15 PM   #4
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Ok not the WRXÖ.maybe the BRZ? Just hanging on to hope here boys.
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:41 PM   #5
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The only reason I thought the CVT GT trim made sense was because it would be close to or overlap with a manual STI in price. But to not have a manual GT now is comical.
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Old 03-11-2022, 04:45 PM   #6
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Nighthawk was right.
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:16 PM   #7
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Nighthawk was right.
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Was Nighthawk right all along?!?!?
For him to be right, the 2022 WRX and 23 STI (EJ powered) have to be discontinued by the 2025 MY, replaced with performance hybrid or full EV versions.


OMG he might end up right about all of it.
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doubt it...
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I know it's been pondered before, but I'm *really* starting to wonder a bit more if they're going the Chevy route, like the Blazer SS, being the STi may be electrified?
Derphawk? lol
Will he get the last laugh?
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Old 03-12-2022, 12:54 AM   #8
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Nighthawk was right.
Actually it appears that poster that came out and said Subaru was having issues getting reliable power over 300 hp out of the FA24 was on to something after all. It's why they went conservative with the WRX as well. I imagine Subaru was forced with going back to the EJ257 or simply cancelling and sitting out the generation.
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Old 03-12-2022, 04:56 AM   #9
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Actually it appears that poster that came out and said Subaru was having issues getting reliable power over 300 hp out of the FA24 was on to something after all. It's why they went conservative with the WRX as well. I imagine Subaru was forced with going back to the EJ257 or simply cancelling and sitting out the generation.
This. Thatís the guy who really nailed it. The EV STI better be something special, but I suspect it is many, many years away.
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Old 03-12-2022, 11:08 AM   #10
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This. That's the guy who really nailed it. The EV STI better be something special, but I suspect it is many, many years away.
They'll be nothing special compared to what will already be out there at that point. Expect a very expensive, out-of-reach price tag for most people here.

I personally believe by the time the electric "STI" comes out, developed countries will already be on their way to high volume electric self-driving mass transit fleets. It may be obsolete by the time it hits the road, with the next evolution already leaning toward self-driving.

The big dogs are already working on this, and if you pay attention, there are many suggestions that this will be the future. Pull up the app on your phone, enter your destination, and a self-driving ride-share car will be at your door within minutes to take you to your destination. It's not hard to believe this will either be a 'pay-per-ride' service, with the option of a subscription. There's an easy solution to long distance trips. Your EV will take you to a hub, where you will transfer your luggage for your scheduled fully-charged EV waiting for you. Think of it as a micro-layover, like air travel. This really isn't far off. Auto travel will most definitely be safe, and eventually more efficient, but at the cost of further reliance on technology, and depriving us of yet another true experience. Dehumanization, in my opinion.

Again though... how will you power the charging stations? You're going to have to upgrade the electrical grid. Good luck doing that without increasing fossil fuels in this generation, as solar, wind, etc has proven to be inconsistent. I suspect nuclear energy will have to make a comeback to meet the agenda, but at what cost when there's an unforeseen event causing a catostrophic global impact like Chernobyl and Fukashima.

What about the heat from reflective solar panels, which are generally hot to-the-touch. What will this do to the already impact of "urban heat islands." All of this will again f*** the middle class and beat the **** out of the lower class.

It's not hard to believe gas prices will never come down enough to not influence people toward EV's.

There's no doubt we'll see driveway-less houses in our lifetimes. I'm just concerned about the evolution moving well ahead of economic practicality.

So there. The STI as we can fathom is dead forever, in my opinion.

I suggest trying to find the right tech and EV automotive companies to invest in. Although for the love of God, don't pick Chinese NIO... I bought a significant amount, using profits from other shares, and purchased shares at a very low $32. It shot up to $45. Now, it's down to $16. Think Tesla, or Apple.

Best of luck. Hold onto your STI's, and even WRX's, as long as you'll be able to afford to buy the skyrocketing price of gas, leading to eventual worsening petrol supply-and-demand issues when cars are mostly EV. As much as we despise it, in 20 years we'll be longing for something as engaging as the current generation WRX... maybe even the CVT...

*Steps down from soapbox*
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Old 03-12-2022, 12:06 PM   #11
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They'll be nothing special compared to what will already be out there at that point. Expect a very expensive, out-of-reach price tag for most people here.

I personally believe by the time the electric "STI" comes out, developed countries will already be on their way to high volume electric self-driving mass transit fleets. It may be obsolete by the time it hits the road, with the next evolution already leaning toward self-driving.

The big dogs are already working on this, and if you pay attention, there are many suggestions that this will be the future. Pull up the app on your phone, enter your destination, and a self-driving ride-share car will be at your door within minutes to take you to your destination. It's not hard to believe this will either be a 'pay-per-ride' service, with the option of a subscription. There's an easy solution to long distance trips. Your EV will take you to a hub, where you will transfer your luggage for your scheduled fully-charged EV waiting for you. Think of it as a micro-layover, like air travel. This really isn't far off. Auto travel will most definitely be safe, and eventually more efficient, but at the cost of further reliance on technology, and depriving us of yet another true experience. Dehumanization, in my opinion.

Again though... how will you power the charging stations? You're going to have to upgrade the electrical grid. Good luck doing that without increasing fossil fuels in this generation, as solar, wind, etc has proven to be inconsistent. I suspect nuclear energy will have to make a comeback to meet the agenda, but at what cost when there's an unforeseen event causing a catostrophic global impact like Chernobyl and Fukashima.

What about the heat from reflective solar panels, which are generally hot to-the-touch. What will this do to the already impact of "urban heat islands." All of this will again f*** the middle class and beat the **** out of the lower class.

It's not hard to believe gas prices will never come down enough to not influence people toward EV's.

There's no doubt we'll see driveway-less houses in our lifetimes. I'm just concerned about the evolution moving well ahead of economic practicality.

So there. The STI as we can fathom is dead forever, in my opinion.

I suggest trying to find the right tech and EV automotive companies to invest in. Although for the love of God, don't pick Chinese NIO... I bought a significant amount, using profits from other shares, and purchased shares at a very low $32. It shot up to $45. Now, it's down to $16. Think Tesla, or Apple.

Best of luck. Hold onto your STI's, and even WRX's, as long as you'll be able to afford to buy the skyrocketing price of gas, leading to eventual worsening petrol supply-and-demand issues when cars are mostly EV. As much as we despise it, in 20 years we'll be longing for something as engaging as the current generation WRX... maybe even the CVT...

*Steps down from soapbox*
LOL....gas pumps use more kilowatts per hour than the average EV home charger....which uses the kilowatts per hour equivelant on average to a Home hot water heater lol. If all the gas pumps in the country were swapped out wit EV chargers tomorrow, they would be using less electricity than the gas pumps.

NIO is a solid buy now..you should be averaging down your cost basis right NOW. The NEO park factory is 90% complete..its a MASSIVE ev complex that will have the capacity to produce a million ev's per year. And its already paid for, they have no debt and are sitting on 7 billion in liquid cash. NIO is going to be in 25 countries over the next 3-4years INCLUDING the U.S. They are already using thousands of battery swap stations in China and just expanded that to Norway. Battery swap allows for charge free driving, battery is swapped for a fully charged in 3 minutes. Also allows their cars to be sold without the battery, which makes entry price less than a tesla, and subscription for 150 a month Gets you the battery swap. They will be bigger than tesla...and apple???? Pffffft...NIO IS, the next apple.

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Old 03-11-2022, 04:54 PM   #12
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"...based upon the new WRX platform."

The optimist inside me wonders if they could rebadge the GR Corolla. Didn't Subaru say something about not being defined by the boxer engine at some point? And weren't their rumors of a Subaru Yaris clone a couple years ago?
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:22 PM   #13
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Hellzz YAH!!! Long live the STI
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:30 PM   #14
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Long live the 400 hp STI!
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Old 03-11-2022, 08:10 PM   #15
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I love that you had these saved haha. That guy is gonna have a meltdown.

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Long live the 400 hp STI!
Couldn't get it to work with our crappy gas and gave up I reckon! Honestly glad they cancelled it rather than go EJ! But not joking I wonder if that's what happened..

Kinda sad honestly.

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Now these are gonna be hotter than the center of the sun.
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:30 PM   #16
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I'd like to say it's a total surprise, but FA24DIT power output and lowish redline was not an encouraging sign.
Then, as I said before, STI hasn't been working on the turbo FA at all. Zero motorsport application from STI; nothing. They kept polishing the EJ instead.
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:53 PM   #17
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The FA24 really shines in the low end unlike the 257 whereas that pulls harder in midrange and a bit of top
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:57 PM   #18
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The FA24 really shines in the low end unlike the 257 whereas that pulls harder in midrange and a bit of top
the FA24 has no bottom end at all compared to any modern competitor.
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:28 PM   #19
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The FA24 really shines in the low end unlike the 257 whereas that pulls harder in midrange and a bit of top
Yeap. It is a fantastic engine with a ton of potential.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:01 PM   #20
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The FA24 really shines in the low end unlike the 257 whereas that pulls harder in midrange and a bit of top
If an engine that peaks its torque at under 4k then dies off over 100ftlbs by the time it hits redline is your idea of a good time, then the EJ257 is for you.
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:34 PM   #21
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If they were trying to find a way to actually sell the atrocious new WRXs, I guess you can say they've found a way.

****, I should have kept my '18
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:42 PM   #22
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If they were trying to find a way to actually sell the atrocious new WRXs, I guess you can say they've found a way.

****, I should have kept my '18
I shouldíve kept my 15í launch edition : (
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:44 PM   #23
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Congrats to those who bought the $64k S209, your low mileage S209 will be $150k USD or more in the future!
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:48 PM   #24
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I should've kept my 05 STI. Of course, I've been saying that, so that's not news.

An STI EV sounds like a very bad idea.

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This isn't as bad if they actually make more STI/tS things. I'd consider a BRZ tS still. Or an Impreza tS, maybe.
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:54 PM   #25
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An STI EV sounds like a very bad idea.
I'm interested in an exciting EV, but yeah, I'm not sure the STI should go that way. I think a wrx ev would make more sense since the wrx has always been the more "commuter friendly" of the two.
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