LOL backroom manufacturer kickbacks to the dealers to accomplish this and not bankrupt their dealers. How do you think the more shrewd of us manage to buy Subaru's below "invoice" all the time? It's NOT below their actual cost.

But yeah, tell the whole world how evil Tesla is with their steep discount... Please continue.

never thought I would see the day when your fanboi bone would break.

I have a clue for you. You were part of the Tesla Drama. At every article and turn. It is and always was just a car with good branding. Nothing more. Take away the brand and you just have a bunch of plastic and metal.

Just like

Every

Other

Car.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ar-2023-01-19/

Interesting quote from the article:

***8220;By 2026, North American EV demand will hit a level of about 2.8 million vehicles a year, said industry forecaster Warren Browne. But North American EV factories will be capable of assembling more than 4.5 million vehicles, putting overall capacity utilization at just under 60%.***8221;

Double post

Model Y Safety award winner with both passive and active mechanisms:


And here is a video of assisted driving testing of a Model 3 vs the competitors and the Model 3 getting a perfect score with only vision. The other cars have radar:

A fun comparison.


For context: SuperfastMatt is an ex Tesla design engineer & prototype manager.

more public beta testing
Another Tesla Semi was spotted apparently broken down on the side of the road
Several have been spotted, apparently broken down
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/01/21/...e-of-the-road/

-Images of another Tesla Semi on the side of the road are making the rounds on Twitter.
-Since deliveries started in December, drivers have been spotting disabled Tesla Semis.
-Investors aren't worried yet, Wedbush analyst says.

Try harder

Great Q4 for Tesla. This year the projected profit is more than what GM and Ford are projecting . It is amazing what this company has become after many thought it would fail. Now with $22B in earning 4-5% and no debt.

It seems that we will the the Cybertruck this year and we only have the Roadster to go.

Tesla's energy business

This guys was really critical of Tesla. How times have changed.

Tesla hit with 'right to repair' antitrust class actions
Harley-Davidson, John Deere and other automakers have faced similar accusations
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/03/15/...tion-lawsuits/
building his own town now in TX, should be a great place to live.....FREEDOM!!!

well this probably won't help, Exhibit #276B in the prosecutions evidence list
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ar-2023-03-20/

Had to triple check the date of this post. Service manual and diagnostic software tools have been available for years. Hell I just used it last month to solve a rattle in my rear hatch lid.

https://service.tesla.com/service-manuals

Structural battery pack is replaceable, but also they are targeting a 1 million mile drivetrain.

Tesla should have replied with a poo emoji when requested to comment.

Had to triple check the date of this post. Service manual and diagnostic software tools have been available for years. Hell I just used it last month to solve a rattle in my rear hatch lid.

https://service.tesla.com/service-manuals

Structural battery pack is replaceable, but also they are targeting a 1 million mile drivetrain.

Tesla should have replied with a poo emoji when requested to comment.

***8220;We care about our planet and want to create a vehicle and company environmentally focused.***8221;

Also

***8220;**** you and being able to repair our battery packs thus using up more of earths resources and pollution for manufacturing because profits bitch!***8221;
Uh, replaceable is not the same as repairable. You might want to read the article again. Their 1 million mile drivetrain is as laughable as their target for full autonomous self driving taxies.

Come on now be honest, you all didn't honestly believe any of the marketing BS that has been flowing out of Tesla corporate &/or Ole Musky did you?

-"Vegan" Leather? synthetic leather is cheaper than real leather.
-"minimalist" interior design? a centralized touch screen is cheaper than running/routing wires to physical switches/controls around the cabin.

Across the board it's been about minimizing costs & maximizing profit, so even though a repairable pack would be more advantageous for the end user/owner, environment, etc. Tesla is going to choose the cheapest manufacturing option every time.

Example of a Mach-E battery pack, which is designed to be repaired with eight replaceable modules (OSHA please don't look).


Obviously Tesla packs have been opened, modified, and had groups of cells replaced by individuals (which is what a pack repair entails, replacing a module/group of cells); and it's clear they were not designed with repair in mind see RichRebuilds, Superfastmatt and others on YouTube for examples.

SuperfastMatt Tesla pack teardown/modification for a vintage Jag retrofit:

Why is a 1 million mile drivetrain laughable? The Model 3 powertrain is already dyno tested to 1M miles.

The structural pack is not repairable but it is recyclable; all the cells are held together via an adhesive foam. Individual cell can be also removed for other uses. The current battery pack which have modules are not really reparable by third parties even after they tried. Rich Rebuilds gave up on repairing packs because of the way that BMS works, his "repairs" didn't last and the packs had premature failures.

Laughing for the same reason they were laughing in 2012 that electric cars could actually work, nothing changes. I'd say wait until they learn that the new stronger cell canisters and tabless thermal transfer contain single cell failures way better than the old 18650 design, but that would clearly be useless.

Having a car carry around hundreds of pounds of extra mass over 1 million miles vs just throw the whole thing in the recycler where 99.9% of materials comes back into brand new cells literally as good as new. Makes perfect sense. When is the last time anyone tore down their 12V lead acid battery "for repair"? Right, no one does that here. You could even think by analogy and win here, although think is the key word.

https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/

Laughing for the same reason they were laughing in 2012 that electric cars could actually work, nothing changes. I'd say wait until they learn that the new stronger cell canisters and tabless thermal transfer contain single cell failures way better than the old 18650 design, but that would clearly be useless.

Having a car carry around hundreds of pounds of extra mass over 1 million miles vs just throw the whole thing in the recycler where 99.9% of materials comes back into brand new cells literally as good as new. Makes perfect sense. When is the last time anyone tore down their 12V lead acid battery "for repair"? Right, no one does that here. You could even think by analogy and win here, although think is the key word.

https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/

99.9% is a wonderfully fun lie to spread. Batteries of 7 years ago will never make it into a new car today as cells are changing yearly in makeup, form factor and chemical composition. Cell technology is rapidly changing, which makes older cells and the methods to recycle them efficiently obsolete. The rapidly changing battery landscape and proprietary designs will stifle the ability to recycle batteries quickly for a long time. Currently, the battery recycling is a hugely expensive labor and energy intensive operation. As crash restrictions get more strict (as they always do) this will get even worse and make recycling even harder.

All of this is growing pains which are to be expected, but EV have warts like every other transportation option. Rather than ignore them or lie about them, just embrace them and make the choice that suits your lifestyle.

Speaking of lies. Yeah this transition from NMC/NCA to NMC/NCA with less cobalt has over 100% "efficiency" given one cell's worth of cobalt makes many cells. Regardless this is for all the high energy density applications like long range trucks. The bulk of storage will be lithium iron phosphate. Literally the most abundant materials on earth.

You have a choice to make and it's not the choice you think it is. It's not between gasoline and electric. It's between a clean world of super abundance in energy and transportation, versus a totalitarian nightmare climate lockdown and austerity. You pick. However I suggest you stop arguing for the latter. Choose Elon over Greta.

Lithium is being phased out as well from what I am reading. Nothing in battery world is standing still man, which you know. A CELL as we know it, will be phased out eventually. Interesting note on what you said, though, but the long term solution will probably NOT be batteries at all.

We have a world of clean energy now with superabundance. We have seen that. I choose neither Elon (PT Barnum) or Greta (propped up pawn). I choose myself over any media driven idol.

Keep in mind climate alarmists have been wrong 100% of the time on every major 'disaster' in the last 50 years. Climate change is no difference. So any drastic mandated change based on this fallacy is also wrong.

I like choice. Do not mandate anything. Let people buy what they want for whatever reason(s) that matter to them without the governments of the world putting the fingers on the scales.

The recyclability of batteries is vastly overblown with 'what we will do' dreams and 'what we strive to do' promises. The reality is not that. Not yet.

Yeah man, the future is carburetors that work on water.

That's what I thought. This is heading up to a FAFO moment.

They're going to win, and you're helping.

If you don't want mandates, make a better decision now, while you can.

I was going to suggest you do the same. Those in glass houses man...