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Old 08-25-2020, 06:39 PM   #2776
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I don't think the FSD is released to the public yet.

The way I understand it is that Autopilot is for cruising down the road. Summon is for parking lots. FSD is for filling in the gap between those things; door-to-door.

Someone with a Tesla confirm?
No Tesla here, but that's correct from what I understand.

Autopilot "ignores" stopped vehicles, because it doesn't want to stop for a phantom object. It assumes (ha!) that the driver is paying attention, and will stop for those objects.

If the driver isn't paying attention, the car will gladly drive into something.
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Old 08-25-2020, 07:05 PM   #2777
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I don't think the FSD is released to the public yet.

The way I understand it is that Autopilot is for cruising down the road. Summon is for parking lots. FSD is for filling in the gap between those things; door-to-door.

Someone with a Tesla confirm?
FSD was offered to us as a $8k software options upgrade to the base Autopilot and we declined. And I've spoken to all my Tesla owning friends, only 1 opted to pay for the FSD upgrade while the rest kept the base AP system. And the one person who had FSD said in the case of highway driving, regular AP is good enough for most people.
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Old 08-25-2020, 08:05 PM   #2778
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FSD was offered to us as a $8k software options upgrade to the base Autopilot and we declined. And I've spoken to all my Tesla owning friends, only 1 opted to pay for the FSD upgrade while the rest kept the base AP system. And the one person who had FSD said in the case of highway driving, regular AP is good enough for most people.
I have FSD and at first I just got a trial for FSD but after doing the trial I got the standard AP and then I realized that it doesn't do automatic lane changes with the turn signal so I had to get FSD. To me having to disengage AP and reengage AP when doing lane changes ruined the experience so I had to get it. FSD also includes summon which I used daily to get the car in an out of the garage because we have kids and our garage is tight. The latest updates with stop sign a traffic lights recognition also works great. Navigate on autopilot annoys me because it wants me to change into the slow lane even if there is no one in front of me or behind me on the fast lane (its the law ) but I which they had a setting to get into the slow lane only when getting close to the exit because other than that it works great.

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Old 08-25-2020, 10:32 PM   #2779
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It shouldn't cost you $100k of debt to get the skills for a typical role.
Iíve never bought into that bs. I finished 2 degrees and had 17k in debt when I graduated. I chose to work instead of the ďcollege lifeĒ.

My MBA program, not much different, wonít put me in debt. Stay in state, go to a state school, and work some kind of job through it, and you wonít be in 6 figure debt. Weíre dealing with the ďspethialĒ people who are narcissistic. Instead of the doing the financially prudent thing...they go out of state, donít work, buy idevices, and spend their days fíing with social media. Thatís how you get in deep debt. What happened to good old fashioned bust your ass hard work? Hey maybe it still exists on Instagram
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Old 08-26-2020, 09:05 AM   #2780
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Iíve never bought into that bs. I finished 2 degrees and had 17k in debt when I graduated. I chose to work instead of the ďcollege lifeĒ.

My MBA program, not much different, wonít put me in debt. Stay in state, go to a state school, and work some kind of job through it, and you wonít be in 6 figure debt. Weíre dealing with the ďspethialĒ people who are narcissistic. Instead of the doing the financially prudent thing...they go out of state, donít work, buy idevices, and spend their days fíing with social media. Thatís how you get in deep debt. What happened to good old fashioned bust your ass hard work? Hey maybe it still exists on Instagram
Well, in their defense, college tuition has increased 400% in the last 20 years, and that includes 500% for in-state.
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Old 08-26-2020, 09:49 AM   #2781
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Just curious, are most of the Tesla self driving accidents reported in the news happen in cars with the base Autopilot software of full self-driving software?
Either, but the most common is Base AP, which will drive the car for you on the highway as long as you rest your hand on the wheel.

Base AP
  1. Auto-steer, accelerate, brake for cars/pedestrians in lane
  2. Changes lanes (when safe) after driver presses the turn signal stalk
  3. Does NOT follow Navigation directions. If the Nav says take the exit, and you don't put on a signal, the car will just drive past (See FSD to fix this)

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  1. Navigate on AP (Base AP function that follows the Navigation directions without your intervention)
  2. Auto Lane Change (Doesn't require you to press the stalk first, it knows you need to change lanes to follow Navigation directions)
  3. Auto Park
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I don't think the FSD is released to the public yet.

The way I understand it is that Autopilot is for cruising down the road. Summon is for parking lots. FSD is for filling in the gap between those things; door-to-door.

Someone with a Tesla confirm?
FSD is suite of functions. Some (see above) ARE released to the public. The future Level 5 and other fun stuff, is not yet public.

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I have FSD and at first I just got a trial for FSD but after doing the trial I got the standard AP and then I realized that it doesn't do automatic lane changes with the turn signal so I had to get FSD. To me having to disengage AP and reengage AP when doing lane changes ruined the experience so I had to get it. FSD also includes summon which I used daily to get the car in an out of the garage because we have kids and our garage is tight. The latest updates with stop sign a traffic lights recognition also works great. Navigate on autopilot annoys me because it wants me to change into the slow lane even if there is no one in front of me or behind me on the fast lane (its the law ) but I which they had a setting to get into the slow lane only when getting close to the exit because other than that it works great.
You do not disengage AP to make a lane change. With Base AP (standard now, or paid EAP in the past) you merely press the turn signal stalk, the car looks to see if it is safe, and changes lanes...all while still driving the car for you. FSD merely allows the car to change lanes without your input (it is a setting in Controls) because it is following the Navigation directions.
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Old 08-26-2020, 10:28 AM   #2782
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Iím pretty sure that AP doesnít have lane changes. That was part of EAP and is part of FSD.
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Old 08-26-2020, 10:33 AM   #2783
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Randy Pobst at Pikes Peak with the Tesla Model 3 from Unplugged Performance:

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Old 08-26-2020, 12:55 PM   #2784
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Iím pretty sure that AP doesnít have lane changes. That was part of EAP and is part of FSD.
  1. Auto Lane Change is part of FSD in 2020. That means the car does it without the driver manually pressing the turn signal stalk.
  2. Lane change, IS part of the standard AP.

AP means two different things. 1st, it means the basic safety features which have been on the cars from day 1. 2nd, it means a list of autonomous type features (look at my "Base AP" list above), which is standard now. Parts of the old EAP were split between AP (standard feature) and FSD (paid) about a year ago.
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Old 08-26-2020, 12:56 PM   #2785
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Iím pretty sure that AP doesnít have lane changes. That was part of EAP and is part of FSD.
Correct, standard AP as it's delivered today does not have lane changes.
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Old 08-26-2020, 01:01 PM   #2786
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Correct, standard AP as it's delivered today does not have lane changes.
No. Lane Change IS part of AP. You just have to manually use the stalk to initiate. I have it!
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Old 08-26-2020, 01:55 PM   #2787
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No. Lane Change IS part of AP. You just have to manually use the stalk to initiate. I have it!
No it was available with EAP and is not part of AP.

https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot

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Old 08-26-2020, 05:31 PM   #2788
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No it was available with EAP and is not part of AP.

https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot
Without FSD, I can initiate the lane change via stalk, and TA-Cruise Control stays on. But, you are correct that the AP system stops steering. Once you are in the lane, engage AP again and it's back to Auto Steer. So it's not nearly as good as FSD, which will think 100% on its own, but it's usable.
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Well, in their defense, college tuition has increased 400% in the last 20 years, and that includes 500% for in-state.
Not here man, sorry. Iím about to start a MBA in Finance, from a good state school here. Iím not seeing your percentages, at all, and I graduated with 2 degrees in 2002. Iíve read all the same bs in articles then I look at the tuition Iím going to pay to complete 2 MBAís and laugh. We shop for price on everything, but I guess with higher education people say F it, Iím going here or there no matter the cost.

But this is a Tesla thread, best to get back to that. You want tuition costs I can provide them.
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I think he needs to take some driving lessons:

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How many times has randy crashed a vehicle at pikes peak. 3?
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:08 AM   #2793
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How many times has randy crashed a vehicle at pikes peak. 3?
At least twice.

The car was actually faster yesterday vs the practice session. He said that he got airborn over a bump and of the tires aren't touching the ground there is no steering.

He completely blames himself and nothing wrong with the car. It was really fast up to that point.
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:16 AM   #2794
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I bought FSD when it was $6k. The only thing I use regularly is auto lane change as initiated by the user. I slowly decreased my use of Navigate on Autopilot to the point that I first turned off speed-based passing/lane changes (because it was wonky decision making) and then because it would miss exits, I started initiating lane changes on my own. And then because it merged erratically sometimes I basically stopped NoA altogether. These annoyances don't happen all the time but they happen enough that the driving experience has you on edge, waiting for the next dumb thing the car is going to do.

I wish you could just buy auto lane change for $500 on top of standard AP.

Stop light detection/auto stopping works but has enough issues that it's kind of a stressful experience. It will start stopping for lights in far away lanes sometimes. Sometimes you have to confirm green lights and sometimes you don't. It depends how far away the car in front of you is, which is not consistent. Also, stop sign auto stopping is kind of crude because you can't easily creep past the stop sign to check for cross traffic without disengaging cruise control.

So I turned off stop light / stop sign auto stopping. It's kind of a theme with FSD. You try the cool features, but over time you get more and more annoyed with its limitations and flakiness and you just turn it off.
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At least twice.

The car was actually faster yesterday vs the practice session. He said that he got airborn over a bump and of the tires aren't touching the ground there is no steering.

He completely blames himself and nothing wrong with the car. It was really fast up to that point.
Yeah, watched the vid. That car wonít be ready by Sunday. I think the last time he did the Pikes Peak race he jumped a lake in a GTR and crashed. I think Randyís abilities are below what he believes they are.
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:27 AM   #2796
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Yeah, watched the vid. That car wonít be ready by Sunday. I think the last time he did the Pikes Peak race he jumped a lake in a GTR and crashed. I think Randyís abilities are below what he believes they are.
I have known Randy for years. He is really good on track, but in my opinion he expects the same consistency as he experiences on a road course, but real roads rarely cooperate.

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Congrats.



https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...olkswagen-id-3



The render looks kind of cool
More info:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...3HZN20uJQ0-kK4
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I'm in for a model 3 hatch (OR WAGON AMIRIGHT!?!?) but I'd prefer a longer roofline than shown in the render for usability/cargo room. Would save me the trouble of trying to talk myself into a Y that I'd have to lower right out of the box, doesn't do anything for my other issues with the 3/Y UI though.
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I'm in for a model 3 hatch (OR WAGON AMIRIGHT!?!?) but I'd prefer a longer roofline than shown in the render for usability/cargo room. Would save me the trouble of trying to talk myself into a Y that I'd have to lower right out of the box, doesn't do anything for my other issues with the 3/Y UI though.


From the CNET article
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From the CNET article
Woof; the CNET render is ugly and has an even more compromised cargo area than the Autocar render; the proportions are screwy too. I'll wait until if/when it happens for final judgement, but if it's like that, I'm out.
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