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Old 01-15-2023, 11:28 PM   #4001
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What could Tesla have done?
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Old 01-16-2023, 07:28 AM   #4002
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What could Tesla have done? Lower the price more gradually? Tesla also lowered the price significantly to get more of their models under the EV tax credit threshold becuase in a way the EV tax credit was written to exclude Tesla's best seller models. The $7500 incentive right now doesn't look into the battery content and it is only available until March. The incentive might be less after March depending on the requirements. Some people got hurt; my Plaid is $15k cheaper than what I paid but in a way Tesla is putting the transition to EV's in high gear and with the EV tax credit is putting most of their cars under the average new car selling price.
They could have sweetened the hit of those affected with some sort of appreciation. Free FSD, or supercharger vouchers for 10K miles, just somethingÖ..specially since lot of those that took delivery before all this were also getting the vehicles without the fregging sensors! Like do something to avoid alienating a group of customers. Isnít that rule of thumb of any business? Make it easier to swallow. What business sells you a product and makes you lose equity in the $10-20K range overnight?
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Old 01-16-2023, 07:28 AM   #4003
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Remove Elon as CEO.
Thatís not an option for a cult member.
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Old 01-16-2023, 07:33 AM   #4004
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This is what a world without a dealer network looks like.

Hate it if you want, but it has some very good positive points.
Is it though? What direct to consumer company has sold a product that has made its customers lose $10-20K in value on it over night?

And Iím all for direct to consumer and no dealers by the way.
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Old 01-16-2023, 08:20 AM   #4005
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Is it though? What direct to consumer company has sold a product that has made its customers lose $10-20K in value on it over night?
Which Tesla product did you buy that makes you so upset?
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Old 01-16-2023, 09:30 AM   #4006
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Is it though? What direct to consumer company has sold a product that has made its customers lose $10-20K in value on it over night?

And Iím all for direct to consumer and no dealers by the way.
to answer your questions specifically, Tesla. have you been following the news at all?
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Old 01-16-2023, 09:55 AM   #4007
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I just got a quote from my insurance company for a 2019 dual motor model 3. The number they gave me is 85% higher than what I pay for my 22 forester. It's not necessarily a deal breaker, but it significantly reduces what I would save in fuel.
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to answer your questions specifically, Tesla. have you been following the news at all?
ExactlyÖthatís what I though. Thank you for proving my point.
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Old 01-16-2023, 10:00 AM   #4010
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Which Tesla product did you buy that makes you so upset?
Iím not sure what bearing that would have on the conversation at hand, other than validating any perceived frustration I might have.

At the end of the day it is what it is, I just feel like Tesla should cushion such a drastic overnight drop in value with some sort of appreciation for those that took this hit. The ďscrew them, deal with it, this is capitalismĒ mentality is not a good long term strategy. I donít view it as sound and certainly not a good one to bring back recurring customers. Elonís latest actions have certainly left a bad taste in a lot of peopleís mouth.. a good will act such as doing something for those affected by the sudden decrease in value would go a long way to fix those perceptions. But thatís just me, if you disagree then so be it. I think itís a zero sum game for a business to continue down that cut throat path as I mentioned earlier.

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Old 01-16-2023, 10:46 AM   #4011
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I think itís a zero sum game for a business to continue down that cut throat path as I mentioned earlier.
Seems Elon's brief affair with crony capitalism is now over after he cut their throats...

This doesn't get old. I don't think you actually understand what "zero sum game" or "crony capitalism" means. The sarcasm is apparently for my pleasure only.
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Old 01-16-2023, 11:37 AM   #4012
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But you must also perhaps have the ability to realize that this cut throat mentality of "he doesn't care about hurting peoples feeling and he'll replace them with new sheeple" isn't necessarily a good long term strategy right? Many industries depend on loyalty and recurring customers. The car industry is one of them. Someone buying a car and liking it, buying one for his wife, recommending to others, becoming lifetime buyers. Nobody is buying a house for themselves, the wife, the teenage kid and buying another house every 5-6 years or something, real estate and car buying are different markets in many ways.

This no effs given attitude just doesn't seem like a sound strategy***8230;. Pissing off a sector of new customers to gain new ones is a zero sum game.
Sorry if you got hurt by this price change. I hope you can enjoy the car and maybe when you try to sell it in the future the market will work out in your favor and somehow make things better for you.

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I just got a quote from my insurance company for a 2019 dual motor model 3. The number they gave me is 85% higher than what I pay for my 22 forester. It's not necessarily a deal breaker, but it significantly reduces what I would save in fuel.
I pay $910 for 6 months for my Plaid and another car with almost everything maxed out through progressive. Do you have access to Tesla insurance I heard is lower than most. How much is your quote? Just curious.

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Old 01-16-2023, 12:05 PM   #4013
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ExactlyÖthatís what I though. Thank you for proving my point.
what point, that of the vanishingly small sample size of direct to consumer vehicle manufacturers that at least 1 has completely ****ed the consumers?

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Old 01-16-2023, 01:37 PM   #4015
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All I'm going to add to this discussion is the new Model Y customers who took delivery between the dates of Jan 1 - Jan 12 (and paid the full peak pricing on their vehicles) got seriously F****D by the very random seeming arbitrary price changes and sudden announcement of end of year incentives which would not be honored for customers who took delivery a few days late into Jan due to well documented weather related delivery delays.

And that's coming from a recent customer who got to fully benefit from the 2022 year end delivery incentives.

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I pay $910 for 6 months for my Plaid and another car with almost everything maxed out through progressive. Do you have access to Tesla insurance I heard is lower than most. How much is your quote? Just curious.
1800/yr isn't bad for one of the fastest cars you can buy. Not to mention the replacement price! They quoted me $850/yr, but the quote was for a pleasure vehicle with less that 6500 miles per year. So if I got one the price would be a higher as it would be my primary commuter vehicle. My 22 forester is currently listed as the primary (commuter car) and does not have a mileage limit and I only pay $464/year for that car. I am fortunate to live in an area with relatively low crime/accidents and have multi policy discounts, etc. What surprised me is that the liability is double the forester. The collision is also much higher which I expected due to limited repair options. But I thought the "excellent"crash ratings and more advanced collision tech would mean lower liability and it doesn't. My 15 wrx is $500/year but was around 900 I think when it was new. And the liability on my wrx is also less that the used model 3 which was interesting. The wrx is one of the most crashed vehicles out there and has zero crash avoidance tech other than antilock brakes. Maybe it's just the heavier weight of the car that causes more damage to everyone else I guess. Or maybe they are using historically higher prices and haven't caught up to the recent price drops.

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Question I posted in a Model Y owners forum:

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Anyone here work in the insurance industry as an exec or claims adjuster feel free to chime in on this question:

With the official prices of many Tesla models, (particularly the Model Y since it's relevant to this group) ping ponging across the board with all the recent pricing changes. How are most insurance companies supposed to calculate vehicle values, especially in the event of severe accidents that could venture into total/loss territory? It seems like a bit of a wandering target now since I know most insurance companies will base vehicle value on whatever is the listed MSRP, NOT the actual price the owner paid for the car.
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Seems Elon's brief affair with crony capitalism is now over after he cut their throats...

This doesn't get old. I don't think you actually understand what "zero sum game" or "crony capitalism" means. The sarcasm is apparently for my pleasure only.

Mr. Juanmedina said, in layman's terms, that Elon (Tesla) does not give an F about the whiny customers or complaints because they'll be replaced by new eager ones. Umm...that.is.LITERALLY.a.zero.sum.game..lol and one specially played by crony capitalists that only care about short term gains. But I take it you already knew that, you just felt compelled by your cult to make yet another word salad. Just breathe, it's going to be ok. Maybe you can get some copium at a discount from your buddy Juanmedina.




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Sorry if you got hurt by this price change. I hope you can enjoy the car and maybe when you try to sell it in the future the market will work out in your favor and somehow make things better for you.

Yeah, I guess I should've known to not bother, it's clear that you lot are not interested in a serious conversation and tackling points made. As usual with those trying to protect their little Jim Jones and Jonestown paradise, the truth is hard to cope with and any criticism is looked at as an attack and all you can come up with are deflection tactics. But likewise, I wish things do get better for you, seek some help, it's not healthy.





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what point, that of the vanishingly small sample size of direct to consumer vehicle manufacturers that at least 1 has completely ****ed the consumers?


uhhh, yeah that was literally my point, that Tesla is the only one that has pulled such a screwed up move.


You initially answered by saying that this is how direct to consumer works...upon which I replied, is it though? then show me what other direct to consumers have pulled such shytfkery because I haven't seen such levels in direct to consumer sales in any industry. And now your response is "ahh it's only a small sample size and in the vehicle manufacturing"... Can I interest you in some more copium to help you move the goal posts further apart?
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1800/yr isn't bad for one of the fastest cars you can buy. Not to mention the replacement price! They quoted me $850/yr, but the quote was for a pleasure vehicle with less that 6500 miles per year. So if I got one the price would be a higher as it would be my primary commuter vehicle. My 22 forester is currently listed as the primary (commuter car) and does not have a mileage limit and I only pay $464/year for that car. I am fortunate to live in an area with relatively low crime/accidents and have multi policy discounts, etc. What surprised me is that the liability is double the forester. The collision is also much higher which I expected due to limited repair options. But I thought the "excellent"crash ratings and more advanced collision tech would mean lower liability and it doesn't. My 15 wrx is $500/year but was around 900 I think when it was new. And the liability on my wrx is also less that the used model 3 which was interesting. The wrx is one of the most crashed vehicles out there and has zero crash avoidance tech other than antilock brakes. Maybe it's just the heavier weight of the car that causes more damage to everyone else I guess. Or maybe they are using historically higher prices and haven't caught up to the recent price drops.
Here is what my buddy is paying here in South Carolina throug USAA for reference:

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Yeah, I guess I should've known to not bother, it's clear that you lot are not interested in a serious conversation and tackling points made. As usual with those trying to protect their little Jim Jones and Jonestown paradise, the truth is hard to cope with and any criticism is looked at as an attack and all you can come up with are deflection tactics. But likewise, I wish things do get better for you, seek some help, it's not healthy.
There is lots of things Tesla should do better I agree. There is nothing that I can say that will make things better. In a way hurt by this price changes as well. For instance I have been always a Tesla early adopters and financially it has not paid off. My Plaid doesn't have the lastest graphic card with to play Steam although they showed during the real that I would be able to play Cyberpunk 2077; that pisses me off. Even though Tesla sucks on some stuff, I love their cars and I feel like my car still is an amazing deal for what it offers, I happy with it and I don't see any other alternatives that would temp me to make the switch.
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All I'm going to add to this discussion is the new Model Y customers who took delivery between the dates of Jan 1 - Jan 12 (and paid the full peak pricing on their vehicles) got seriously F****D by the very random seeming arbitrary price changes and sudden announcement of end of year incentives which would not be honored for customers who took delivery a few days late into Jan due to well documented weather related delivery delays.

And that's coming from a recent customer who got to fully benefit from the 2022 year end delivery incentives.

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I really wonder how many people took delivery of the 5 seater Model Y becuase it was know at the time that they would have save $4500 by getting the 7 seater Model Y.




Personally I am sick of the Tesla drama and I wish I had sold all my stock earlier and right now I have to wait it out until their is a new bull market and stocks start to go up again to get out at a better price. I enjoy Tesla cars but Elon is really polarizing thanks to his big mouth. I don't watch news, I don't care about politics and I have worked for an EV company for many years and understand way before many that technology was superior and that it was going to be the future.
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You initially answered by saying that this is how direct to consumer works...upon which I replied, is it though? then show me what other direct to consumers have pulled such shytfkery because I haven't seen such levels in direct to consumer sales in any industry. And now your response is "ahh it's only a small sample size and in the vehicle manufacturing"... Can I interest you in some more copium to help you move the goal posts further apart?
moving goalposts? direct sale of new cars are what I'm talking about, how many are there?

are you hoping to look at smaller purchases like the Starbucks direct sales model of a $5 cup of coffee vs a $50,000 car? because if so, then you are really sunk on the direct sales model shifting prices 20% on a whim over night.

anyway, enjoy. I had merely poked my head in this thread to see how people are handling this insane price change from Tesla. and it appears some are handling it predictably.

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Audi drops price 20k. No one cares.

No such thing as bad press applies, demand is off the hook. Whiners bringing attention to normies how cheap Tesla is now.
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Audi drops price 20k. No one cares.

No such thing as bad press applies, demand is off the hook. Whiners bringing attention to normies how cheap Tesla is now.
Wrong!

DEALER drops...
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Audi drops price 20k. No one cares.

No such thing as bad press applies, demand is off the hook. Whiners bringing attention to normies how cheap Tesla is now.
the super expensive cars like the S8 were never in enough demand to be marked up.
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