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Old 10-06-2017, 09:53 PM   #201
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Well you have to compare them to non-performance seats. Which is what many of us were trying to convey, but being told we're crazy.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:58 PM   #202
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Old 10-07-2017, 08:47 AM   #203
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I'm a pretty average sized dude at 5'10, 175. Forester seats suck for me while I loved the seats in my brz and wrx. I have a theory though, I'm pretty sure the seats in some vehicles (forester, outback) are probably tailored to fit the average woman better. Or at least, they aren't tailored towards young men and thus receive the hate from this forum.
i'm not sure about this - aside from the Forester, the only car my wife or i ever had a problem with seats is my Evo's Recaros - my wife didn't like the big bolsters. she is 5'4", and didn't like the "climb" to get in them. other than that, they were "very comfortable" once she was sitting in them. those were designed for thin asian body types, and they worked fine for me (6' tall).
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:38 AM   #204
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The gripe is about carplay/aa... and its in the impreza and outback... and the forester is getting it
Yeah? When? 2018 doesn't have it.
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Old 10-07-2017, 10:44 AM   #205
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Yeah? When? 2018 doesn't have it.
This is the 2019 thread........
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Old 10-07-2017, 04:41 PM   #206
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F... o.. with seat an bla bla discussion!

We want NEWS about 2019 Forester!
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Old 10-07-2017, 05:38 PM   #207
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F... o.. with seat an bla bla discussion!

We want NEWS about 2019 Forester!
I 'm curious if they will continue with the 2.5 and add DI or will we see a new 1.5 /1.8 DIT ?. It seems about the right time for the new engine group. If so, it will sell in big numbers.
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Old 10-07-2017, 06:13 PM   #208
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I 'm curious if they will continue with the 2.5 and add DI or will we see a new 1.5 /1.8 DIT ?. It seems about the right time for the new engine group. If so, it will sell in big numbers.
It will be a 2.4 DI, with more hp than the old 2.5.
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Old 10-07-2017, 08:04 PM   #209
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Well you have to compare them to non-performance seats. Which is what many of us were trying to convey, but being told we're crazy.
No one’s said that. People have issues with it, and there are those that don’t... nothing wrong with saying either way since seats are a personal thing.

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Old 10-07-2017, 08:04 PM   #210
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It will be a 2.4 DI, with more hp than the old 2.5.
Thats your theory or do you have inside info? because low displacement turbos have all been talked about by Subaru recently
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Old 10-07-2017, 08:10 PM   #211
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Thats your theory or do you have inside info? because low displacement turbos have all been talked about by Subaru recently
Yup, look for a revised 2.0 turbo as well.
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:37 PM   #212
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Yup, look for a revised 2.0 turbo as well.
Entry model will probably use the Levorg 1.6L Turbo DIT (168 HP) and I expect a new 2L Turbo DIT offering close to 300 HP.

We may also be lucky and see an STI Forester tS with 2.5L engine?? (pure speculation here)

Expect a Plug-in Hybrid: 1.6L Turbo DIT (168 HP) + Toyota Prius PHV system (70 HP). 1.6L on the front and dual motor generator drive system on the back. This will introduce a new kind of AWD for Subaru, expect a new name like "rear motor symmetrical AWD".

They will probably introduce new EyeSight version since more and more cars are getting semi-autonomous features these days. Hope to see Auto-Cruise / Active Lane Keeping at any speed + Automatic parking at home and parking lots
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:38 PM   #213
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It will be a 2.4 DI, with more hp than the old 2.5.
So, you say 2.4, A drop of .1? Hmm.

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Old 10-07-2017, 11:29 PM   #214
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S, you say 2.4, A drop of .1? Hmm.
I think the 2.4L makes a bit of sense if we assume Subaru is trying to built more fuel efficient engines: more stroke and less bore.
So, instead of 94 x 90 mm and a total displacement of 2498 cc, Subaru could go 92 x 91 mm for a total 2419 cc (basically, EZ36 with 2 missing cylinders) or even 91 x 91 mm for a total of 2367 cc.
Overall, that would be a comparatively small displacement loss for a significantly more fuel efficient engine, with a cleaner burn and less NOx emissions (especially with a higher static comp ratio along with DI).
Having said that, I still think Subaru needs even more stroke and less bore if they really want to extract more usable power out of their engines while keeping a low fuel consumption and emissions profile.
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Old 10-08-2017, 01:02 AM   #215
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I think the 2.4L makes a bit of sense if we assume Subaru is trying to built more fuel efficient engines: more stroke and less bore.
So, instead of 94 x 90 mm and a total displacement of 2498 cc, Subaru could go 92 x 91 mm for a total 2419 cc (basically, EZ36 with 2 missing cylinders) or even 91 x 91 mm for a total of 2367 cc.
Overall, that would be a comparatively small displacement loss for a significantly more fuel efficient engine, with a cleaner burn and less NOx emissions (especially with a higher static comp ratio along with DI).
Having said that, I still think Subaru needs even more stroke and less bore if they really want to extract more usable power out of their engines while keeping a low fuel consumption and emissions profile.

You don't think they'll just give the 2.5 the treatment they gave the 2.0?
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:54 AM   #216
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You don't think they'll just give the 2.5 the treatment they gave the 2.0?
I am thinking the 2.5 will not get DI. If it were, I think we would have seen it in the 2018 Outback/Legacy.
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I am thinking the 2.5 will not get DI. If it were, I think we would have seen it in the 2018 Outback/Legacy.
Those cars haven’t received the SGP transplant yet. Looks like they’re saving DI for models that make the SGP switch.

Couldn’t say either way for 2.5 or 2.4, but I feel like we’ll find out with the ascent reveal.

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Those cars haven’t received the SGP transplant yet. Looks like they’re saving DI for models that make the SGP switch.

Couldn’t say either way for 2.5 or 2.4, but I feel like we’ll find out with the ascent reveal.
True, but Subaru has a history of engine upgrades during the mid cycle.

the previous gen Legacy, Forester and Impreza switched from EJ to the FB without much fanfare. And if DI increases fuel economy, why would they hold out back.
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The problem is the 2.5 doesn't fit into the new SGP, so that's why they came up with the new 2.4. And the 2019 Forester will be on the new SGP. The 2.5 has had a great run, and the tuners love it. But don't expect Subaru to improve it any further (DI, etc), with its end of life in sight.
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With so many manufacturers making the switch to downgraded turbos for more fuel efficiency and small increase in power and torque, it would be interesting to see how subaru goes down that route like Honda is doing now. If the base engine comes with a turbo, then you would not necessarily need the xt trim since both engines are turbocharged. However what Subaru does for the USDM is different from the JDM. In the outline for the Tokyo motor show, it says nothing about showing the new forester, but that does not mean they won't talk about its plans for new powertrains going forward for all of its products.
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Entry model will probably use the Levorg 1.6L Turbo DIT (168 HP) and I expect a new 2L Turbo DIT offering close to 300 HP.

We may also be lucky and see an STI Forester tS with 2.5L engine?? (pure speculation here)

Expect a Plug-in Hybrid: 1.6L Turbo DIT (168 HP) + Toyota Prius PHV system (70 HP). 1.6L on the front and dual motor generator drive system on the back. This will introduce a new kind of AWD for Subaru, expect a new name like "rear motor symmetrical AWD".

They will probably introduce new EyeSight version since more and more cars are getting semi-autonomous features these days. Hope to see Auto-Cruise / Active Lane Keeping at any speed + Automatic parking at home and parking lots
I see them going with a newly developed 1.8 DIT for the base engine, and either a revamped 2.0 DIT or the 2.4 DIT from the ascent but slightly detuned for the forester.
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You don't think they'll just give the 2.5 the treatment they gave the 2.0?
IMO, it's hard to know or anticipate what Subaru engineers are really thinking.
Because, you're right, they could add DI to the FB25 and they could also turbocharge it.
And yet, they are coming out with a new 2.4L short block for the Ascent. I can only assume that they are changing bore and stroke to achieve a cleaner burn while increasing power output in the low / midrange.
They also want, or at least, probably tried, to deliver a turbo engine that is fully rated for 87 AKI operation and a turbo FB25 would not get them there, at least not with the reliability I believe Subaru is striving for.

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The problem is the 2.5 doesn't fit into the new SGP, so that's why they came up with the new 2.4. And the 2019 Forester will be on the new SGP. The 2.5 has had a great run, and the tuners love it. But don't expect Subaru to improve it any further (DI, etc), with its end of life in sight.
Are we talking about the FB25 here? I wouldn't think tuners would even look at the FB25 except maybe for very few people that have bolted a supercharger or a turbo to it.
In any case, I agree, the FB25 is a goner because it's not the ideal engine geometry, again, not enough stroke, too much bore, and all that jazz.
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I am thinking the 2.5 will not get DI. If it were, I think we would have seen it in the 2018 Outback/Legacy.
Not necessarily.

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The problem is the 2.5 doesn't fit into the new SGP, so that's why they came up with the new 2.4. And the 2019 Forester will be on the new SGP. The 2.5 has had a great run, and the tuners love it. But don't expect Subaru to improve it any further (DI, etc), with its end of life in sight.

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IMO, it's hard to know or anticipate what Subaru engineers are really thinking.
Because, you're right, they could add DI to the FB25 and they could also turbocharge it.
And yet, they are coming out with a new 2.4L short block for the Ascent. I can only assume that they are changing bore and stroke to achieve a cleaner burn while increasing power output in the low / midrange.
They also want, or at least, probably tried, to deliver a turbo engine that is fully rated for 87 AKI operation and a turbo FB25 would not get them there, at least not with the reliability I believe Subaru is striving for.



Are we talking about the FB25 here? I wouldn't think tuners would even look at the FB25 except maybe for very few people that have bolted a supercharger or a turbo to it.
In any case, I agree, the FB25 is a goner because it's not the ideal engine geometry, again, not enough stroke, too much bore, and all that jazz.

The FB25 was made for DI. Any problems with it could be addressed in an upgrade similar to the 2.0. 80% new components and lighter. I don't think Subaru would already trash their 3rd gen motor for something entirely new. When it's only 7 years old.
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Not necessarily.







The FB25 was made for DI. Any problems with it could be addressed in an upgrade similar to the 2.0. 80% new components and lighter. I don't think Subaru would already trash their 3rd gen motor for something entirely new. When it's only 7 years old.
Problem is that it does not make sense to carry 2 engine blocks that are very close in terms of displacement.
Why have a 2.4L DIT and a 2.5L DI with 2 different short block castings and 2 different cranks when it's easier to manufacture a single block and a single crank?
Again, I'm not saying FB25 couldn't get DI, I'm just saying Subaru is going to try and reuse the same short block and crank across multiple models if they can. Especially when the new short block offers a cleaner burn.
But, hey, I certainly don't know what Subaru is up to; we'll find out soon enough.
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