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Old 11-09-2019, 09:28 AM   #926
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Same deal on the Ascent - a $3K option SHOULD sound great. Itís crap. Of course Subaru bundled the moonroof with the HK stereo (we absolutely donít want or need that ridiculous heavy moonroof) but we do need the better stereo (no aftermarket swap possible) which forces us into the $3K bundle, yet the top HK is very subpar.
After much fiddling I got it so I didnít want to dig my eardrums out, but itís still lacking. Such an easy fix to ADD BACK via software the 7-band EQ like our FXT has, but they cheaped out. Why step backwards in sound quality on a PAID, expensive option? Just stupid on the top high-dollar offering.

Two big middle fingers for you Subaru. GFY
So early for so much anger..

I've become inured to the audio systems in cars. To me it's just a fancy radio to match the fake leather.

I've only had one Subaru that had a sound system that stood out in sound quality... and that was best enjoyed down in the garage, listening by myself in the silence. It was a 2009 Legacy 3.0R Limited with everything. The collection of CDs I put together sits dusty on a garage shelf now, tried in the HK-equipped cars since then but aren't special anymore. But in that R they were magic.

I don't even try anymore. Haven't put a CD in my Impreza. Don't have to. Don't care. Ambient is good for me. Sirius pablum takes up the slack. Honestly, I'd prefer a car with enough good sounds of its own and no radio at all.

Don't sweat the small things.

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Old 11-09-2019, 09:42 AM   #927
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I actually like updating the stereo and speakers on my cars - added an amp, CarPlay receiver, and component speakers in the front.

Unfortunately it looks like Subaru is going Tom he route where this will be impossible in the future, which gives another thing to test out before buying (sound) since your upgrade options would be limited
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:04 PM   #928
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So early for so much anger..
I've only had one Subaru that had a sound system that stood out in sound quality... and that was best enjoyed down in the garage, listening by myself in the silence. It was a 2009 Legacy 3.0R Limited with everything. The collection of CDs I put together sits dusty on a garage shelf now, tried in the HK-equipped cars since then but aren't special anymore. But in that R they were magic.
I agree with you there. The HK system in my 2009 Legacy Wagon was the best system I've ever had on any car period... whether I built it or not. It wasn't particularly loud, but just smooth, rich and detailed. Monsterously better than the Fender system in my Golf Alltrack. The McIntosh system available in other markets was also spectacular.

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Old 11-09-2019, 03:39 PM   #929
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you are only half right. I used to mod every car I had. Up to and including my Outback XT. Then it dawned on me it was completely pointless for the kind of driving I had started doing, which was 90% commuting. I then started buying cars that were right from day one, versus buying a lower trim and making it my own. If a car did not have an option I needed, it was not the right car. Simple
It wasn’t a diss man so don’t get riled up. The RTL-E and Black edition had the heated steering wheel and you didn’t buy them, you bought a lower trim? All I was saying is you could have had the OEM heated wheel on your truck if you had wanted it, it was a $500 option. No big deal.

As far as buying a lower trim, yeah not your wheel house but it is mine. Honda doesn’t offer wireless CarPlay. They didn’t offer an app/phone based alarm or remote start either. I like being able to start the vehicle from my watch or phone from anywhere and monitor any attempts from theft from anywhere. The delta between the E edition and mine was over 5k. With that delta I was able to put in a full audio system with wireless CarPlay, amp, replaced all speakers and sub, put in an app based alarm/remote start, tonneau, roof rails, full LED lighting lamps up front (E and BE come with LED low beams only), hardwired radar, WT laser mats, heated steering wheel, tail gate lock and a few more things and I still saved money after all that was added. And my infotainment is permanently upgradable. Nothing to do with power, etc. Mama mfr. doesn’t always know best. I have an incredible setup better than any trim they offer for less money.

I get it, you swap vehicles too often to put money into them. Modding isn’t always adding power either. When I buy a vehicle I look at the trims and some stuff is worth it, others are not, at all. Glad you’re enjoying the new ride. Congrats.
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Old 11-09-2019, 04:12 PM   #930
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I've followed the path Scrappy has, albeit a longer more circuitous one, and have ended up where he is.

If a car doesn't have what I want when i am choosing one, it's the the wrong car.

I sprinkle a little mod-spice here and there to round out its flavor to my taste... and sit back and enjoy the ride. The years of frankenstein experimentation are over for me.

Fortunately, Subaru made the 2019 Impreza Limited just for me. I couldn't be more happy with a car purchase.

I'm betting there will be a lot of 2020 Legacy owners who feel the same way, as well as all the new models on the SGP. Subaru didn't just debut a new Global Platform as a standalone skeleton in an old car... the new cars embody a paradigm shift. They're a new tree, not the same one with new leaves.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:55 PM   #931
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Same deal on the Ascent - a $3K option SHOULD sound great. It’s crap. Of course Subaru bundled the moonroof with the HK stereo (we absolutely don’t want or need that ridiculous heavy moonroof) but we do need the better stereo (no aftermarket swap possible) which forces us into the $3K bundle, yet the top HK is very subpar.
After much fiddling I got it so I didn’t want to dig my eardrums out, but it’s still lacking. Such an easy fix to ADD BACK via software the 7-band EQ like our FXT has, but they cheaped out. Why step backwards in sound quality on a PAID, expensive option? Just stupid on the top high-dollar offering.

Two big middle fingers for you Subaru. GFY
Well, to be fair, it's not a $3k system. For $3k, you get the stereo, panoramic moonroof, and nav system. Oh, and the cargo tray cover too.

The sunroof probably takes $2+k of that upgrade price.

The B&O system in the volvo? It's a $3200 upgrade stand alone option. And worth it.

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Old 11-10-2019, 02:22 AM   #932
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So, get this, we’ve been at dealers all day and as a last resort, I decided to try the Limited without the tech package. This means no Nav (don’t want it, never used the FXT’s Nav once in 6yrs) and no fake Surround(sounded horrible anyway) and no 800w amp n sub.
For whatever reason, the 8” HK unit without Nav sounds better! The crazy shrill peak @ 2Khz-4Khz was completely gone. There’s less bass and power obviously, but it’s actually listenable. Even the salesman was amazed at the difference between the two.

I don’t think I’ve ever bought a car this late into its model year.
Anybody know if there’s going to be an Ascent facelift for MY21? How bout when the MY21’s will be available? April?
Now we have to somehow agree on a color!
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:51 AM   #933
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I assume the crappy nav demanded too much power for the sound system to perform properly? Or the nav directions are designed to take priority over the rest of the entertainment audio?

I would also assume that Subaru will stick to 3 model years on the current design, so nothing new until MY2022.

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Old 11-10-2019, 09:57 AM   #934
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^^ Thanks, so they’re on a 6yr refresh on the Ascent you think?

So come to find out, the Rockford Fosgate amp and speaker combo upgrade might be the perfect sounding setup for the Ascent vs the top HK Nav / surround / 8 speaker setup.
The RF upgrade will add the umph/bass back into the std 8” that is missing. For $350 that’s an easy experiment.

Sorry for the noise. Back to the LGT, er, LXT.
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:08 AM   #935
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Well, if you're looking for a new front bumper, then MY2022 Ascent would be the ticket.

If you're looking for new taillights, then MY2025 would be my guess, which would also come with complimentary redesigned headlights.

I don't foresee Subaru messing with their current winning formula of features for the Ascent until MY2025.

Audiophiles I've known have hated Rockford Fosgate, but my current roommate loves his RF subs. As an upgrade for a Subaru, though, I think it's worth the price. I like the HK system in my Impreza, but it's also a lot smaller than the Ascent. I do wish it had more adjustability, EQ and such.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:55 PM   #936
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It’s kind of a crapshoot, per vehicle. The HK in our FXT is awesome - sounds great, totally satisfied. The RF stock system in my XTerra is horrible.
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So, get this, weíve been at dealers all day and as a last resort, I decided to try the Limited without the tech package. This means no Nav (donít want it, never used the FXTís Nav once in 6yrs) and no fake Surround(sounded horrible anyway) and no 800w amp n sub.
For whatever reason, the 8Ē HK unit without Nav sounds better! The crazy shrill peak @ 2Khz-4Khz was completely gone. Thereís less bass and power obviously, but itís actually listenable. Even the salesman was amazed at the difference between the two.

I donít think Iíve ever bought a car this late into its model year.
Anybody know if thereís going to be an Ascent facelift for MY21? How bout when the MY21ís will be available? April?
Now we have to somehow agree on a color!

'20s are relatively new on the ground. It'll be a while before the '21s. I can see an upgrade to Lane Centering. Other than that, maybe a new color?
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If you think the HK system is bad, you should check out the regular HU. Its horrible
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:08 AM   #939
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I was ruined by the system in my TL and the B/O system in my A5, but it's just one of those spaces where Subaru does just enough for marketing reasons while keeping the cost down.
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Tomorrow is pickup day! Always exciting.
Even with a family hauler. Sad to see the FXT go. Been giving it a proper lead-foot S# throttling the past week.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:32 PM   #941
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Tomorrow is pickup day! Always exciting.
Even with a family hauler. Sad to see the FXT go. Been giving it a proper lead-foot S# throttling the past week.
I ran our 2011 Forester pretty hard before trading it in... But that doesn't say much when it comes to the mighty 170-hp FB25...paired up to an equally mighty 4EAT
But, in fairness, we took many road trips in that car and it never left us hanging. So, overall, I have to admit, it did its job and then some.
Of course, we need to see pics of your Ascent; otherwise we will assume that pickup day never actually happened

In other news, the 200-hp 2020 Camry is getting AWD.
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I ran our 2011 Forester pretty hard before trading it in... But that doesn't say much when it comes to the mighty 170-hp FB25...paired up to an equally mighty 4EAT
But, in fairness, we took many road trips in that car and it never left us hanging. So, overall, I have to admit, it did its job and then some.
Of course, we need to see pics of your Ascent; otherwise we will assume that pickup day never actually happened

In other news, the 200-hp 2020 Camry is getting AWD.
Will post pics!!
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'20s are relatively new on the ground. It'll be a while before the '21s. I can see an upgrade to Lane Centering. Other than that, maybe a new color?
Inattentiveness monitor? (Or whatever itís called.)
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In other news, the 200-hp 2020 Camry is getting AWD.
Quite honestly, that's going to sting Subaru.

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Quite honestly, that's going to sting Subaru.

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Well, they're working more closely together than ever before, so it's possibly by design. Subaru's engines are getting more efficient thanks to Toyota, and Toyota is getting more exciting thanks to Subaru. It's ironic, but it seems to be working.
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At the same time, Subaru needs a larger backing to develop their hybrid EV tech.
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[...]Subaru's engines are getting more efficient thanks to Toyota, and Toyota is getting more exciting thanks to Subaru. [...]
Well, IMO, Toyota tipped the excitement scale in its favor a while back.
Subaru has been firmly planted in the "safe-but-boring" category for a while now; expect for BRZ and WRX/STI, of course.
You just have to look at Toyota's TV ads; it's all about driving enjoyment and much less about surviving a crash.
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Inattentiveness monitor? (Or whatever itís called.)
No argument; but, people are sure loving it. Haven't had soo many comments on something since EyeSight was introduced and people using ACC.

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Well, IMO, Toyota tipped the excitement scale in its favor a while back.
Subaru has been firmly planted in the "safe-but-boring" category for a while now; expect for BRZ and WRX/STI, of course.
You just have to look at Toyota's TV ads; it's all about driving enjoyment and much less about surviving a crash.

Hence why Subaru has done soo well. People care more about safety than driving excitement.
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No argument; but, people are sure loving it. Haven't had soo many comments on something since EyeSight was introduced and people using ACC.




Hence why Subaru has done soo well. People care more about safety than driving excitement.
How about advertising both since Subaru can provide both?
Advertising around driving excitement doesn't have to imply that safety is only a secondary concern.
It seems like Toyota and others have understood this...
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How about advertising both since Subaru can provide both?
Advertising around driving excitement doesn't have to imply that safety is only a secondary concern.
It seems like Toyota and others have understood this...
I don't think Subaru NEEDS to advertise both though. They're constantly hitting their production limits. If they invest in another plant, then I think they'd look at different ways to market their cars to appeal to even more people.
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