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Old 11-07-2019, 01:18 PM   #451
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I get you, and can't argue the perspective.

But as one who has never been nor inclined to be of the hive mind... all generalizations and averages are dumps to be sifted through as they rarely reflect my personal reality.

People with STIs who track/race their cars are also in a similar minority... but we all know the minds that imagine their doing so are in the majority. All things are possibilities in minds... and advertising feeds their dreams, like the exploits of the tiny 2 percenters.

Imagined vs reality. Otherwise, why all the damn SUVs and no more mainstream small zippy little lightweight two doors to choose from.
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Old 11-07-2019, 01:28 PM   #452
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I imagine a 3 door turbo Crosstrek could be a possibility.

In reality I likely wouldn't buy it. Hive minders would jump aboard as it would be the cool new thing Subaru is offering and imagine their doing so is in the majority because they frequent car sites.

So which is it? Build it they will come? Or scrap that idea entirely it's too risky catering to and feeding 2%ers dreams or possible dreams?
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:11 PM   #453
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I imagine a 3 door turbo Crosstrek could be a possibility.

In reality I likely wouldn't buy it. Hive minders would jump aboard as it would be the cool new thing Subaru is offering and imagine their doing so is in the majority because they frequent car sites.

So which is it? Build it they will come? Or scrap that idea entirely it's too risky catering to and feeding 2%ers dreams or possible dreams?
I don't think a higher HP option is only wanted by 2%ers. I just think Subaru can't go off offering soo many options. They are stretched as it is. That's one of MY big complaints with them. I have been harking on them for a very long time they need to have a full other factory.

However, keep a keen eye on the horizon.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:23 PM   #454
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The ads of the two girls doing donuts in the mud under the bridge in the new Jeep Gladiator commercial, or the girls doing selfies in the new Samsung Galaxy commercial? How many women actually DO that stuff? Few and far between. I'm not saying they don't exist... I don't live in a vacuum where possibility doesn't exist, but they're spending money on an image of women doing things in these vehicles that barely exists except on the fringe. How do they say it? Forcing a narrative?

I would bet that fewer than 2% of the female driving population have ever hooned their vehicle like this in the ad or even pushed the limits of their vehicles. Worldwide. Men will be higher, just don't know how much, but more than women.

Which brings me to my point: Advertisers say they don't advertise to the fringes, but to the masses of their demographic. Yet, here they are, working the fringes... That's the PC part, when they ignore their demographic and go to the fringe to force an image that barely exists.

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Old 11-07-2019, 02:35 PM   #455
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Women don't play with their Jeeps?

Come to the south and let me show you something...
You're obviously missing his overall point.

Marketing marketing marketing. People are sheep and let the advertisers tell them what to buy.
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Old 11-07-2019, 03:06 PM   #456
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Shovels and 36 inch tires and merkan blackout flags for Starbucks drive thru duty. They got nails and boots. And Jeep.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:03 PM   #457
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You're obviously missing his overall point.

Marketing marketing marketing. People are sheep and let the advertisers tell them what to buy.
AGAIN you miss what I was doing. And even explained it in a following post.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:17 PM   #458
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Shovels and 36 inch tires and merkan blackout flags for Starbucks drive thru duty. They got nails and boots. And Jeep.
Those damn flags

Full XTR DH bike? So like, the shifter and rear derailleur? Tell me it was a Yeti.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:34 PM   #459
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Full XTR DH bike? So like, the shifter and rear derailleur? Tell me it was a Yeti.
It was a Univega. EVERYTHING was XTR. It was a $3k bike back in '97. Loved that thing. Wish I didn't trade it for a lame commuter bike. BUT I say that about a lot of my cars so operandi modus regretimus.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:47 PM   #460
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It was a Univega. EVERYTHING was XTR. It was a $3k bike back in '97. Loved that thing. Wish I didn't trade it for a lame commuter bike. BUT I say that about a lot of my cars so operandi modus regretimus.
Nice. Yea you can't hold on to everything. Doesn't sound like a bike you're likely to find in the wild unfortunately, else I'd say go get it back. I did that for the bike I most regret losing (destroying.)
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I mainly miss it because it was Sedona Red. Same color as the RS in the garage. Plus all the forged bits. Thanks for ruining my day. :sad:
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:19 AM   #462
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AGAIN you miss what I was doing. And even explained it in a following post.
I read that bs. I think you need therapy.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:04 PM   #463
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OK pot
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:40 PM   #464
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Kettle is full.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:31 PM   #465
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I agree with the 2% of everybody out there (men and women).

I love being in the 2% of those that actually enjoys what their vehicles were born and bred for.

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Old 11-09-2019, 07:34 AM   #466
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:24 PM   #467
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Justy, is there something special underway new model launch at LA motor show? You know more again I think
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:41 PM   #468
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JUSTY SPILL THE BEANS. This is worth losing your position over. HATCHBACK COME BACK!
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:23 PM   #469
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JUSTY SPILL THE BEANS. This is worth losing your position over. HATCHBACK COME BACK!
no justy, remain in your exclusive circle. we they give you the go ahead, then you can inform us. we will all find out about the vehicle on our own anyway. pleasing one isn't worth losing your perks bro
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:54 AM   #470
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Yeah there's no hooning in NE. In Texas there sure is. And obviously Alaska.
Ain't no hooning in Alaska, just a bunch of yankees running off into the ditch when the snow is fresh.
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Ain't no hooning in Alaska, just a bunch of yankees running off into the ditch when the snow is fresh.
THAT COUNTS!

I remember when I hooned my RS coupe into a ditch... because my Carls Jr Big Texas cup slid underneath my ebrake handle and prevented me from releasing it at the perfect moment.
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lolol Alright, you get a hoon pass.

It would be great if Subaru would just come off the details already, I'm moving to Georgia next year and rather than pay them 7% on a $65k-$70k value on a Super Duty I'm probably going to buy my last car.
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Old 11-13-2019, 05:33 AM   #474
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I never daily drove/lived with an EJ to compare, but my overall take of MY stock FA20 (except for maybe one tune) is that it sucks. Touchy throttle, unpredictable engine response. Agonizing to rev over 5000 RPM. Power is great overall, but the delivery is uneven, almost jerky. The current tune is acceptable, stock tune was insane, I though it was missing/hesitating but it did the same stuff every pull like clockwork.
I had a '17 WRX and everything you said is exactly correct. I drove an '10 Evo X for 6 years before the WRX, and '03 Evo VIII for 6 years before the Evo X. By comparinson, the WRX was shockingly un-fun to drive. I kept it less than a year, and took a depreciation hit to trade it in on an '18 STI.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the USDM STI gets the larger bore/displacement FA24 even if the JDM version gets the FA20.. just like we got the EJ257 instead of the EJ207.
My recollection from magazine reports back in the day is that the EJ257 was Subaru's response to the Evo. Mitsubishi brought the Evo over in 2003, and its 271 hp and 273 lb-ft blew away the WRX's 227 hp and 217 lb-ft. Subaru released the EJ257 the very next year, in 2004.

While I am hopeful for a well-tuned FA24 in the next STI, that history concerns me because Subaru has no competition in the segment. The Evo, Focus RS, and Golf R are all dead. Additionally, with the BRZ Subaru has shown a stubborn willingness to make a car not as good as it can be.

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Over-square (shorter stroke) engines are typically performance oriented ...

GT3: 102mm bore & 81.5mm stroke = 1.25 bore/stroke ratio
EJ257: 99.5mm bore & 79mm stroke = 1.26 bore/stroke ratio
EJ207: 92mm bore & 75mm stroke = 1.23 bore/stroke
FA24: 94mm bore & 86mm stroke = 1.09 bore/stroke ratio
I love the short-stroke character of the EJ in my '18 STI.

But I just wanted to point out that the 4B11T in my old Evo X had the exact same square 86 mm bore and 86 mm stroke as the FA20, and the Evo powerplant was amazing to drive. It had less torque than the FA down low, but still pulled smoothly from 1500-ish rpm in around town driving. And once the power came on, it pulled like a train past its 7000 rpm redline all the way to fuel cutoff at like 7500 rpm.

So I think it is definitely possible for Subaru to do something magical with the FA24.


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My STi/EJ wasn't much different in regards to the OEM tune being garbage.
The tune on the EJ in my 2018 STI feels great to me.

That "garbage tune" comment is fascinating to me because it sounds like a phenomenon I noticed multiple times in the 12 years I owned Evos and hung out with the Evo guys. I had multiple owners of Evo VIIIs and IXs swear that the 4G63 tune had a torque problem that their tune fixed. I finally took a couple of guys for a ride in my bone stock car and asked them to point out where the torque problem was. They could not do it, and one guy declared my car to be a "factory freak".

LOL. No. No it wasn't.

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...it's nice to have a lot of power, but it's frustrating to be unable to use it ...And even when we have what we lusted for to drive, it's never enough.

...I drove slowly along a decrepit road beside a creek with the windows down, the roof open, just smelling the air the other day... That's what I want from life now. That's what I get
This wall of text was beautiful. And I totally get you. I'm fortunate enough that I was able to add a 4x4 Nissan Frontier to my stable. I'm taking the truck out to Big Bend National Park later this month to do some off-roading. When I return, the STI will be snug in the garage wating for me. And after 2000 miles in the truck, the STI will feel like a rocket.

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If they brought a real Levorg STI to the States, god I would buy it in a heartbeat.
+1.

I actually wanted to trade my Evo VIII in on a Legacy GT Wagon back in 2010, but found that Subaru had stopped making them the prior year. So I bought another Evo.

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Do you think the 2020s will go cheaper as 20 year fades out because people know 2021 global platfrom is on its way?
It depends on whether the new STI is any good. If they screw it up, the old ones will retain their value.

When the Evo X came out, a lot of guys still thought the Evo IX MR was the "best Evo ever" so they held their values. I think today a decent Evo VIII or IX can be sold for close to its original purchase price; the Evo IX MR might be over original sticker. Even my 6-year-old Evo X got me 62% of its original purchase price when I traded it on my the WRX.

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Anyone planning to trade their sti in?
If it is tuned like the FA20: "definitely not".

If it makes 375 hp, has a manual transmission, doesn't look hideous (e.g., Civic Type R), and does not cost more than $45k: "definitely yes".

Otherwise: "maybe".

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My recollection from magazine reports back in the day is that the EJ257 was Subaru's response to the Evo. Mitsubishi brought the Evo over in 2003, and its 271 hp and 273 lb-ft blew away the WRX's 227 hp and 217 lb-ft. Subaru released the EJ257 the very next year, in 2004.
This was the plan from the beginning. If the WRX was accepted well, they'd bring the EVO and then the STi would follow the following year. There was a report (and post here) on it circa 2000 that laid out the gentlemens agreement between the two. They decided within the 1st 2 months of WRX sales... which blew through projections.

The shocker was that Subaru put in the 2.5T, just for the USDM. No one really expected that one, since the 2.0 in Japan still put out the same HP.

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