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Old 12-19-2018, 12:44 AM   #26
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Palm to face

With no competition except the Civic Type R, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is indeed true.


Here’s hoping Nissan helps Mitsubishi bring back an EVO.
Here’s hoping Ford brings us a new RS
Here’s hoping Honda brings an AWD variant in the next gen Type R (they already have SH AWD)
<--- There is competition. Available at your local dealer with an unheard of warranty.


With all of the special editions though, I'm guessing the next sti is going to be pretty well neutered.
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Old 12-19-2018, 08:50 AM   #27
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I love the current generation and am glad to see an S20x come stateside. The only thing that doesn't draw me about the new body is that I see so many...good for Subaru, but the roads are littered with them. At least in my area. Doesn't matter though, as only kid haulers seem to be in my near future. Can Subaru bring back a fun wagon...
A mule of the next gen Levorg was spotted testing a little while back, and we still haven't seen next-gen WRX/STI mules. So we might know whether we'll get that wagon within a year.

Or you can safely assume that no, we won't get it.

Seems pretty likely we'll get this S209 or whatever now though, given this filing and the spy shots of the LHD test car at Tsukuba. I can't imagine buying one. *edit* seems most Americans can't imagine buying a station wagon. Take a look at Buick TourX right now... $40k+ loaded models selling for just over $30k in my area. Well equipped in the mid-20's! Crazy. If they were available with a 6-speed... well, I'd have one already. But if I didn't I'd sure have one now.

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Old 12-19-2018, 11:09 AM   #28
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As much as I would like to see a S209 for the U.S., I don't like to see another $50k+ Subaru.
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Old 12-19-2018, 04:26 PM   #29
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A mule of the next gen Levorg was spotted testing a little while back, and we still haven't seen next-gen WRX/STI mules. So we might know whether we'll get that wagon within a year.

Or you can safely assume that no, we won't get it.

Seems pretty likely we'll get this S209 or whatever now though, given this filing and the spy shots of the LHD test car at Tsukuba. I can't imagine buying one. *edit* seems most Americans can't imagine buying a station wagon. Take a look at Buick TourX right now... $40k+ loaded models selling for just over $30k in my area. Well equipped in the mid-20's! Crazy. If they were available with a 6-speed... well, I'd have one already. But if I didn't I'd sure have one now.
What’s funny is i sold my GR in 2012 and start prepping for a new hatch STi, or worst case a WRX hatch. I’d hate losing the differential setup but I would have dealt with it. So in early 2012 I opened another savings account specifically for down payment on a new ride. Got to 2017, found a great deal from a competitor, drove it, s’d my pants at the drivetrain and chassis and bought it on the spot. No regrets. But say I would have done nothing. We’re talking 2021 either way as I wouldn’t buy first, +6 months, or +12 months minimum for any redesign issues or first year issues. So say I had a kid in 2012. The little f’er would be 9 years old, minimum, before Subaru released another turbo hatch or wagon. That’s just incredible in car years. Car years are like music years, 6 months is basically 5 years because of how fast things move. 9 years is a long time and in that space, if it comes at all, don’t be suprised if it’s a hybrid, or non-manual offering. The kid would have been in the 3rd grade by then. That’s nuts.

F them though. I’m happy. By the time Subaru can be bothered my little hatch monster will be paid off and I’ll be in an added Ridgeline to my fleet. Thanks Subaru!
F’in morons could have taken a developed and existing, paid for R&D product (Levorg), dropped the same WRX Manual 6 in it, and Nasioc and the USDM hatch/wagon people would have all been happy. Some of us would be sore over no STi version with the diffs but we would have been just fine and bought from them. No was their answer. No CVT Levorg, No manual Levorg, no Levorg at all, no hatch wrx, no hatch STi, no nothing. Hey we have this slow 5spd Impreza or you can buy our Outback, or you can go F yourself. Well I was happy to go F myself. Thanks to their decisions I got the droid I was looking for and couldn’t be more pleased. Cobb CBE last weekend


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Old 12-19-2018, 05:24 PM   #30
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That's a sexy ass, Pre.

Or some sexy ass tail?

Either way, sexy.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:41 PM   #31
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Cool story bro.

I for one welcome the S209 and seem to be one of the few that prefer sedans.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:55 PM   #32
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Cool story bro.

I for one welcome the S209 and seem to be one of the few that prefer sedans.
Cool story bro. Itíll be 50k
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Old 12-19-2018, 08:04 PM   #33
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It'll be overpriced and underpowered, per usual.

2020 Subaru STI S209: Final Usual Edition.
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Old 12-19-2018, 08:28 PM   #34
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It'll be overpriced and underpowered, per usual.

2020 Subaru STI S209: Final Usual Edition.
So they can charge more for "1st edition" if/when the next one arrives.

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Old 12-19-2018, 08:39 PM   #35
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Shoot! That's what they did with the current gen. "Launch Edition" with gold wheels, just how you remembered your sedan-only STI!

I'll be honest, if the next gen has a new, more powerful engine, placed inside a 5-door, and there's a "launch edition", I'd have a hard time waiting for any bugs to be worked out.

My other dilemma is CVT vs 6MT. Impreza Sport has me spoiled with the EyeSight having Adaptive Cruise Control. I take so many road trips and plan to never track my car, so CVT makes sense. But man do I miss rowing my own gears and sliding around snowy areas.
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Old 12-19-2018, 09:58 PM   #36
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Serious question here, but didn't Subaru stop selling the hatch version, of the STI at least, because people weren't buying them? I seem to remember reading that the hatch years fell off in sales and it wasn't until they went back to the sedan bodystyle that sales picked up again. I still remember when they had the fires sales on the hatch STIs due to trying to get them to move. There were some crazy deals people were getting.

Personally, I don't like wagons/hatches all that much and would be happy buying a sedan. But online posts would have you believe enthusiasts only want hatches, even if sales figures don't bear that out.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:09 PM   #37
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So, the thing with the hatch was that it was the ONLY option after the STI was sedan-only for years. I honestly thought the hatch was ugly. When the STI was offered in both, sales increased because people had options. I preferred the sedan because it looked sportier, so I had a WRX sedan.

Subaru won't release exact numbers, but they've stated that it was basically "50/50" sedan vs hatch. When the 2015 sedan came out, some people took that to mean that Subaru neglected 50% of their performance WRX/STI market. Personally, living in Alaska where the Subaru population is the densest, I can tell you that often people were buying the hatch not because they were specifically seeking it out. Sometimes it just what was available for the price and options they wanted. WRX sales only increased, so to say Subaru lost by not offering a hatch is incorrect. They lost some fickle individuals (including myself, almost, had the BRZ not come along), but they gained a stronger brand image when they focused their efforts to create the best most basic performance car they could make.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:44 PM   #38
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I agree, I thought (and still think) the hatch was not a good looking car from a company not known for good looking cars to begin with. Strangely, I didn't mind so much the older WRX wagon, but the hatch years were not for me.

That being said, I also agree with you that it would be nice to give their buyers the choice. Subaru used to have a car style for almost everyone, and that's slowly dwindled away even as their profits became larger and larger. I today's market,only a very few manufacturers still offer a broad range of vehicles (BMW for example), and even then a lot of it is kept out of the U.S. market. Would be a good way for Subaru to differentiate themselves from other automakers, and I now think they're profitable enough to try going back to a little more of what brought them to the dance in the first place.
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:01 AM   #39
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It'll be overpriced and underpowered, per usual.

2020 Subaru STI S209: Final Usual Edition.
So, if they give us more power, what will it take to not be underpowered?

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Serious question here, but didn't Subaru stop selling the hatch version, of the STI at least, because people weren't buying them? I seem to remember reading that the hatch years fell off in sales and it wasn't until they went back to the sedan bodystyle that sales picked up again. I still remember when they had the fires sales on the hatch STIs due to trying to get them to move. There were some crazy deals people were getting.

Personally, I don't like wagons/hatches all that much and would be happy buying a sedan. But online posts would have you believe enthusiasts only want hatches, even if sales figures don't bear that out.

The 2008 STI sold badly for several different reasons and they had to have great sales to move inventory at the end of the year. Sales stayed slow until 2011. The sedan did help things; but, it was more of the improvements done to the car since people complained it got soft in 2008. As the '14MY came to an end, it was harder to move sedans. I would have chosen the 5 door to continue on; but, that would have meant it being a wagon. It surely would sell more than the BRZ; but, the BRZ is not it's own entity and the entire project makes Subaru money. The 5door turbo offering Subaru made was a replacement for another vehicle not selling well and they were still going to make a sedan. So........

....it ended up not hurting them much, if any. I think the automotive trends and disdain for not having a 5door will bring us one again. I also think it will be in the next gen. Knowing Subaru, though, ya never know.....
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Well, I guess they've BEEN giving more power, like 5hp each upgrade.

You can tell when something is "underpowered" because it's the newest thing on the block, yet still pretty much the slowest.
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The 2008 STI sold badly for several different reasons and they had to have great sales to move inventory at the end of the year.
A certain *cough* Subaru WRC driver had a lot of input not the 2008 STi and it going hatch. Less rear overhang was the major factor. Yes in 2008 sales suffered but you know what happened that year? The Great Recession, and economic collapse due to the housing market failing. I bought mine in Nov of 2008 and got laid off just several months later, like many. It took several years to get the economy going again. We were losing tens of thousands of jobs per month for quite some time. This was a major factor. In many places the hatch ended up outselling the sedans where they were both offered at the same time.
You cannot understate the effect the economy had.

I loved the GR, how it looked, everything. To quote Walt, the big ghey wing was never anything I wanted anything to do with. The two best looking STiís we ever got, to me, was the GR while it lasted (especially the revised version with the newer front bumper) and the White 2007 LTD.
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So, now confirmed?


"Something special from Subaru Tecnica International is coming to America for the first time ever. 1/14/19 at the North American International Auto Show."
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There's going to be, what, 250 of them? And buyers are going to be allocated by lottery? I think $50k will be conservative.
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I hope it doesn't turn out to be that way - I can only imagine how bad the "market adjustments" will be.
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Type RA didnt have any market adjustment
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Were they allocated to dealers or individuals? With respect to the S209, they may be sold to individuals without an ADM but as said previously, $50k will likely be conservative on the secondary market because again, there are only 250 being offered nationwide via a lottery.
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Mine sure did, in CA - there wasn't a single one that didn't.
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Were they allocated to dealers or individuals? With respect to the S209, they may be sold to individuals without an ADM but as said previously, $50k will likely be conservative on the secondary market because again, there are only 250 being offered nationwide via a lottery.
Do you have any solid info that there will be a lottery?
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Do you have any solid info that there will be a lottery?
"Availability of the S209 may be similar to that of the S208, whose Japanese buyers were selected via lottery after putting in a short application."

http://www.thedrive.com/news/25535/l...rica-after-all
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A certain *cough* Subaru WRC driver had a lot of input not the 2008 STi and it going hatch. Less rear overhang was the major factor. Yes in 2008 sales suffered but you know what happened that year? The Great Recession, and economic collapse due to the housing market failing. I bought mine in Nov of 2008 and got laid off just several months later, like many. It took several years to get the economy going again. We were losing tens of thousands of jobs per month for quite some time. This was a major factor. In many places the hatch ended up outselling the sedans where they were both offered at the same time.
You cannot understate the effect the economy had.

I loved the GR, how it looked, everything. To quote Walt, the big ghey wing was never anything I wanted anything to do with. The two best looking STiís we ever got, to me, was the GR while it lasted (especially the revised version with the newer front bumper) and the White 2007 LTD.

Exactly. Just didn't want to get into too much typing on details.
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