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Old 11-07-2019, 01:52 PM   #1476
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A wingless option with the carbon fiber roof would be nice.. reminds me a bit of the M3.
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Old 11-07-2019, 05:42 PM   #1477
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I'm impressed how Subaru managed to get 15mpg city certification. Thats e92 m3, ISF and the Coyote Mustang with out any of the power.
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Old 11-07-2019, 05:45 PM   #1478
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I'm also not a fan of the bolted on fender flare look. It looks cheap.
think thats why 22B looks so good still, Its got the similar wrx body but a unique body panels that looks sleek and not tacked on. for 65k, it should've had new body panels and even a upgraded stereo imo. WRX was always the value proposition.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:17 PM   #1479
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Just not enough there or uniqueness to justify the cost. Oh well. I am liking that intake from Cobb though. Tickle me interested.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:46 PM   #1480
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S209 units are coming in...some listing at cars.com

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...28880&zc=90717
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:34 PM   #1481
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Old 11-08-2019, 12:27 AM   #1482
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:19 AM   #1483
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I'll take one if it reaches 15% off
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Old 11-08-2019, 05:15 PM   #1484
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Guys, the s209 is basically a stage 2 tune at best from the factory. The 341 HP rating is at the crank not wheels. So maybe around 300ish at the wheels give or take. I have seen CTR hondata tuned CTRs putting down 340-360 at the wheels tuned. So the CTR walking the s209 should be no surprise here...
I was right, s209 dynoed around 300whp,my car stage 2 12wrx dynoed at 296whp at 19psi on a mustang dyno. Though i think i had more torque ...cant find my dyno sheet. My car did this on the stock vf52 which makes me wonder just how much better the HKS turbo is.

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Old 11-08-2019, 05:59 PM   #1485
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Sure there is more to be had with the HKS unit over a VF. 350 whp is likely a very simple target and would make it quite fun. $65k fun?...
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:05 PM   #1486
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I was right, s209 dynoed around 300whp,my car stage 2 12wrx dynoed at 296whp at 19psi on a mustang dyno. Though i think i had more torque ...cant find my dyno sheet. My car did this on the stock vf52 which makes me wonder just how much better the HKS turbo is.
And you do know that these are not drag strip designed cars right??
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:24 PM   #1487
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And you do know that these are not drag strip designed cars right??
Pray tell what you designed them to do?
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:15 PM   #1488
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And you do know that these are not drag strip designed cars right??
Oh, i know...the s209 is a road course beast that beats much higher hp cars times at the track. And that is what you are paying for, all the gadgets, brakes, wheels, wings,stiffeners etc that allow it to crush on a road course.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:43 PM   #1489
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Pretty sure those numbers are way off. I know I have seen baseline dyno pulls that show the Type RA making significantly more power. The stock dyno graphs were being compared to Cobb off the shelf stage 1 tunes. They posted a dyno graph showing a Type RA putting down 280whp before they tuned it in which they got a very minor improvement in top end and instead got significantly more power and torque across the rpm range.

Went to COBB's Type RA page and found it. https://www.cobbtuning.com/maps/2018...ra-stage-1-map

If you notice on the page the Type RA tunes are shared with the 2019 STi. The new OEM tune is greatly improved over previous iterations and shows with how small the peak horsepower gains are.

I have no idea how a Type RA in the graph you posted did so poorly unless it was gimped with some piss poor gas like 91 octane or worse. Then again some of us could have freaks that put down more power than others. my highest recorded peak boost on the car was 18.6 psi during an on ramp pull in 70 deg weather.
I'm not going to dispute the 280 whp figure but, again, peak boost means nothing without correlating to RPM and gear.
I guarantee a 19 or RA can't maintain peak boost past 5K RPM in 3rd without running out of fuel/injectors.
The S209 clearly maintains peak boost (and therefore peak torque !) to 5.6K RPM; that's where the extra power comes from.
Looking at the Cobb stage 1 tune, it's clear that the tune doesn't even try to add more boost past 5K, it's tapering down exactly like the stock tune.
I'd be surprised to see more than 14 psi at redline in 3rd on a stock 19 or RA.
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:21 PM   #1490
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A 2019/20 STI with a turbo back exhaust with upgraded fuel pump and bigger injectors would kill the S209 powerwise.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:10 AM   #1491
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A 2019/20 STI with a turbo back exhaust with upgraded fuel pump and bigger injectors would kill the S209 powerwise.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:39 PM   #1492
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A 2019/20 STI with a turbo back exhaust with upgraded fuel pump and bigger injectors would kill the S209 powerwise.
No doubt; but, that's where the slope gets slippery.
If I went through the trouble of swapping injectors and pump, I'd also swap the VF48 out, I'd be doing an ethanol tune and so on...
But, my stance has been, for a while now, to only purchase brand new vehicles that run properly on the best fuel that's available at the pump.
Cars have become too expensive; I'm not spending $40K OTD on an STI with an EJ257 that I have to remap to run right on 91 Cali gas.
As for the S209, it's even worse, because it still is not going to perform at its best on 91 Cali and it's nearly 90% more expensive that a regular STI.
For nearly $70K OTD, I'm not looking at any Subaru, the list of suitable alternatives is too long to go through.
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Old 11-09-2019, 03:28 PM   #1493
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If I were in California I wouldn't look at Subarus either.
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Old 11-09-2019, 03:59 PM   #1494
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If I were in California I wouldn't look at Subarus either.


If I were in commifornia i would just move out if cars were my passion. **** that state.
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:32 PM   #1495
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If I were in California I wouldn't look at Subarus either.
You forget that half of California is hills and the Sierras. Plus people during the winter drive up to the snow for skiing/etc.
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:33 PM   #1496
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I didn't read right at first

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Old 11-09-2019, 08:01 PM   #1497
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If I were in California I wouldn't look at Subarus either.
That's not exactly what I said; I wouldn't look at a $40K+ OTD Subaru that I would have to tune right off the showroom floor.
I didn't mind tinkering with my 06 WRX Wagon but it was about $26K OTD back in 2006.
I'm hopeful about FA24DIT because it was coerced into running on 87; which means it should, in theory, run decently on 91 in the next STI.

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If I were in commifornia i would just move out if cars were my passion. **** that state.
It's not that bad, IMO.
People around here drive all kind of cars and deal with the octane limitation.
I, me, just refuse to do it on $40K+ cars, that's my choice, others in Cali will certainly disagree with me.
Besides, I'm a software engineer and I work in the semiconductor industry, I'm not going to leave the SF Bay Area unless they kick me out .
Also, I ride motorcycles all year around and have so many good roads around me and 3 motorcycle-friendly tracks within a 2.5 hours radius (Thunderhill, Sonoma, Laguna Seca) with more tracks further out like Buttonwillow.
I have no love for CARB or this smog check business (although, I understnd why it's needed) but, so far, this hasn't prevented anybody here to do whatever they want to do to their cars.

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You forget that half of California is hills and the Sierras. Plus people during the winter drive up to the snow for skiing/etc.
Exactly. And, if you get tired of of the snow after a couple of week-ends, you can switch things up and go down to the ocean and catch a few waves. What's not to love?
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Old 11-10-2019, 12:35 AM   #1498
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No doubt; but, that's where the slope gets slippery.
If I went through the trouble of swapping injectors and pump, I'd also swap the VF48 out, I'd be doing an ethanol tune and so on...
But, my stance has been, for a while now, to only purchase brand new vehicles that run properly on the best fuel that's available at the pump.
Cars have become too expensive; I'm not spending $40K OTD on an STI with an EJ257 that I have to remap to run right on 91 Cali gas.
As for the S209, it's even worse, because it still is not going to perform at its best on 91 Cali and it's nearly 90% more expensive that a regular STI.
For nearly $70K OTD, I'm not looking at any Subaru, the list of suitable alternatives is too long to go through.
For $70k I'm not buying no rattlebox Subaru either. I'll keep my 2019 and make it just as fast and still max out my retirement contributions next year with cash left over
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Old 11-10-2019, 12:43 AM   #1499
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You forget that half of California is hills and the Sierras. Plus people during the winter drive up to the snow for skiing/etc.
I didn't forget. My family lives near Ukiah.
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I just hope the new 21 sti is a game changer
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