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Old 09-16-2020, 06:31 PM   #326
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:08 PM   #328
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You will probably be able to get a wing or duck bill before you can even get the car. I guarantee the aftermarket will be all over this thing.
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:59 PM   #329
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I just hope the handling is good. They haven’t made a z that handles well in a long time. Lots of understeer until snap oversteer is not fun. Hopefully they will finally give us a balanced chassis...
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:00 PM   #330
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If weight doesn't kill it, and if the chassis can handle the power, and if the steering response is decent they have a home run, especially if price is kept under control by utilizing existing engine and other parts. We already knew it was going to be a parts bin special to some degree. C&D indicated that the Nissan brass were more focused on driver involvement and engagement than numbers or lap times. That's a damn good sign. I'm tired of all this ring time bs as well as VIR or any other track. Is it fun to drive? Is it engaging? Is it communicative? If the answer is yes, you did good.
The BMW 1M was a parts bin car that is a classic.

I like it a lot, other than being a 2 seater. Having a manual and great interior is a big plus. I hope they keep the Nissan logo on the tires, that is a cool touch.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:37 PM   #331
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I saw the bit about the infinity twin turbo v6 and took it as speculation, but if you go to nissanusa.com and look at the z page, it lists twin turbo v6 right now, so that's pretty hawt.
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If weight doesn't kill it, and if the chassis can handle the power, and if the steering response is decent they have a home run, especially if price is kept under control by utilizing existing engine and other parts. We already knew it was going to be a parts bin special to some degree. C&D indicated that the Nissan brass were more focused on driver involvement and engagement than numbers or lap times. That's a damn good sign. I'm tired of all this ring time bs as well as VIR or any other track. Is it fun to drive? Is it engaging? Is it communicative? If the answer is yes, you did good.
A parts bin car is fine. Both legendary Datsuns like the 510 and 240Z were parts bin cars for the most part. It is just the parts were combined in a way that magic was created. Hopefully they can do it again.
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Busted! As Motor Trend points out this new Z is nothing more than a re-skinned 370Z with a new engine;

https://www.motortrend.com/features-...arison-visual/

Not a good sign for Nissan as this shows of a company that can't afford to put money into development. How embarrassing.

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We won't know if it's an evolution of the chassis until they get to compare the underpinnings. Just because some of the hard points are the same or they updated the body doesn't mean they didn't ALSO change other stuff
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redesigning parts in an existing design that already meets your requirements is superfluous.
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Damn we've been Rick Rolled by Nissan lol
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Busted! As Motor Trend points out this new Z is nothing more than a re-skinned 370Z with a new engine;

https://www.motortrend.com/features-...arison-visual/

Not a good sign for Nissan as this shows of a company that can't afford to put money into development. How embarrassing.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:28 AM   #339
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We won't know if it's an evolution of the chassis until they get to compare the underpinnings. Just because some of the hard points are the same or they updated the body doesn't mean they didn't ALSO change other stuff
It's a 370Z dude. Did you look at all the photos in the article? Even the interior is unchanged. I'm sure there may be some suspension tuning but there's only so much you can do using the exact same car and chassis and it's not like the 370Z was a flawless car as it had a poor ride, mediocre steering, no brake cooling, unreliable clutch hydraulics. They can fix some of that but it' still going to be essentially the same car with a new engine and re-styled interior/exterior and they will now be asking almost $10k more for the car. You can get away with this with the twins that are priced lower and is running on a newer chassis and tbh the only problem with that car was the engine but this thing is supposed to go head to head with higher price point cars like the Supra and will be priced higher than the next gen STI, Golf R, etc.

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Well Subaru at least had gone with all new chassis for the WRX/STI over the generations carrying over the engine and drivetrain. This is a nearly 20 year old platform.

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Old 09-17-2020, 08:39 AM   #340
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Busted! As Motor Trend points out this new Z is nothing more than a re-skinned 370Z with a new engine;

https://www.motortrend.com/features-...arison-visual/

Not a good sign for Nissan as this shows of a company that can't afford to put money into development. How embarrassing.
How is this article a "Busted" one?

From the Chief Chassis designer

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We donít have many platforms. The Z platform is already existing, but we have to modify the existing platform. Power and torque is quite different, so the platform is modified. It is not carry-over. Almost everything was changed or modified. Even if it looks the same it was changed.
Yes, this will be an evolution of the current car, but not just a sheet metal change.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:09 AM   #341
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At first I was critical of the rather bland and very rectangular grill, until I realized it is an almost duplicate of the original bumper delete one from the 69 Fairlady.
Hummmm I see your point. Maybe it has to do with the 400Zís headlight positioning.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:14 AM   #342
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When the platform was revised from the 350Z to the 370Z it lost weight, if Nissan can pull that trick again it would be fantastic (not sure they can reduce wheelbase like they did last time though). Maybe utilize some of that "mass production" carbon fiber tech to lighten the vehicle they have been developing, while maintaining a 50:50 balance. Apply it to the engine cradle/front subframe to alleviate the weight gained in the front end due to the turbos & intercooler to being with, maybe portions of the firewall & trans. tunnel (wishful thinking I know).

From some surfing of the internet it appears the FS6R31A is a stout manual trans, so it may be up to the task of the redsport engine (likely with slightly strengthened internals for longevity/to minimize warranty claims from the ham-fisted buyers).

I'm excited to see what they do here, they are primarily parts-binning the car, but I'm okay with that if the parts are reliable and the complete package works. A Miata turned up to 11, or more likely a lightweight mustang (which would require 400hp @ ~3,200lbs).

Nissan has already addressed the biggest issue with the 370Z and that's the interior. I'm still more fond of the 370Z design, but the new one is growing on me, and I like the new roofline a lot; duckbill would complete it for me.
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I was a 370Z owner long time ago, and I agree the interior was very basic.

If they release a Nismo with dual clutch I might be interested. I’m a MT guy but as you know, my left ankle is pretty worn out. All new cars I buy will be AT. Of course I also welcome ZF8AT.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:33 AM   #344
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Hummmm I see your point. Maybe it has to do with the 400Zís headlight positioning.
Yeah, agreed. If they did something with teh headlight and dragged the lower edge of them down a bit to occupy all of that plastic fascia and added some turn signals could add some interest.
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If weight doesn't kill it, and if the chassis can handle the power, and if the steering response is decent they have a home run, especially if price is kept under control by utilizing existing engine and other parts. We already knew it was going to be a parts bin special to some degree. C&D indicated that the Nissan brass were more focused on driver involvement and engagement than numbers or lap times. That's a damn good sign. I'm tired of all this ring time bs as well as VIR or any other track. Is it fun to drive? Is it engaging? Is it communicative? If the answer is yes, you did good.
Totally agree, just have to cross fingers that their execution of the chassis and resultant handling ends up as clean and solid as the styling. Nissan has a tendency to go a little bizzarro in that department. HAVE CAR, HANDLE GOOD, MAKE HAPPY! You go to turn in at 35mph and it snap oversteers, spins four times.

And I hate to be that guy, will never blame Nissan for going to town on screens in the interior after taking a years-long beating over the 370's interior. But the all digital cluster is probably the only thing bugging me about it. I prefer this sort of car to be basic as hell inside. Though I do recognize that most of it's appeal will be as a sort of GT car, so, load er up. At least they left plenty of analog controls on center console.
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THe biggest thing/issue I have about the front... is this...


Screenshot 2020-09-17 095756 by Keith Casey, on Flickr

Do something here. All the old Z's had lights, blinkers, vents, something here. It's just... unfinished. I understand the square grille. That's fine and true. It's under the lights, there needs to be.... something. Otherwise it looks like a kit car front end. (818 comes to mind, and even that had ducting/vents)

And the rear is totally 300ZX.

And I hope the engineers get/got over themselves and allow more than .5* negative camber in the front. (And also don't have 55% front weight over the nose). Those were real killers in the previous gen.

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How is this article a "Busted" one?

From the Chief Chassis designer



Yes, this will be an evolution of the current car, but not just a sheet metal change.
Don't look at me as it's Motor Trend claiming it's a rebodied Z car. I'm sure Nissan can make a few tweaks to the chassis but it's going to drive and share most of its characteristics with the 370Z as there's only so much you can change with a unibody design. It's a really old car with a new engine at the end of the day which is going to cost a lot more than it used to. To me that's a bit of a scam and it's not like Subaru hasn't been dogged forever for re-using the EJ257. This is arguably worse because it's the exact same car with a new engine only.

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THe biggest thing/issue I have about the front... is this...
I like that bunch of nothing, reminds me of S2000

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Don't look at me as it's Motor Trend claiming it's a rebodied Z car. I'm sure Nissan can make a few tweaks to the chassis but it's going to drive and share most of its characteristics with the 370Z as there's only so much you can change with a unibody design. It's a really old car with a new engine at the end of the day which is going to cost a lot more than it used to. To me that's a bit of a scam and it's not like Subaru hasn't been dogged forever for re-using the EJ257. This is arguably worse because it's the exact same car with a new engine only.
1. Oh crap, what's it going to cost?
2. "Almost everything was changed or modified" from chief chassis engineers mouth can be taken with much less salt than if it were a just a blurb in a press release.
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--kC
Not sure, maybe a set of glossy black/CF canards can fix it...? It definitely needs something there to pull down the headlights like that old Z. Then I think it can look pretty decent.

Not sure, I might just get one just for the hell of it.
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