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Old 12-03-2019, 07:47 AM   #1
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Black Friday shopping lines werenít the only queues frustrating people this past weekend. A number of Tesla drivers took to social media to vent about extremely crowded Supercharger stations that turned a promised fast stop into an hours-long slog to recharge during one of the year's busiest travel times. With Model 3 mass production in full swing, there are now well over 400,000 Teslas on American roads, and it appears that growth is exposing the Supercharger network's pain points in high-traffic times like this past weekend.

One Facebook clip shows a line measuring roughly a quarter mile in length, consisting of 50-odd Teslas waiting at a Supercharger in Kettleman City, California, just off Interstate 5. To be fair, the station's popularity is compounded by its location about halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco, but even its 40 stalls aren't enough to accommodate the increased demand, especially when all that simultaneous recharging lowers the speed for everyone. The video's captionó"When you regret your Tesla"óhas got to ring true for some of these drivers. Or maybe a modified version: When you regret bringing your Tesla.

When you regret your Tesla.#tesla Kettleman City, CA I-5
Posted by Shanon Neditch Stellini on Saturday, November 30, 2019
So there are a few people at the big 40-stall Tesla Supercharger in Kettleman City. 😕 pic.twitter.com/

ó Alyssa (@lyssabits) December 1, 2019
Another video shared to YouTube detailed a similar situation on Thanksgiving Day around 5 p.m. in San Luis Obispo, California. Although it's a bit milder, with about 15 Teslas waiting to charge, it still led to an hours-long wait for some drivers.
Tesla owners in California waited in long lines to charge their electric vehicles over the holiday weekend.

Footage out of Kettleman City, the location of one of the largest supercharging sites boasting up to 40 chargers, shows drivers queued up back-to-back in a line about a half mile long.

Testy drivers attempting to juice up after Black Friday sounded off on social media, claiming the wait time was anywhere from thirty minutes to well over an hour.
@Tesla biggest supercharger at Kettleman city, Ca, around 40 chargers but the line is 30 min. Long. Almost every supercharger from LA to SFO is backlogged. Tesla super charging network has not kept up. Spent more time charging than driving. No more long trips on Tesla. pic.twitter.com/hTQKNgikaC

ó Shawn Nag (@shawn_nag) December 1, 2019
@Tesla I think you can do better with charging situation. This is at Kettleman location. Been sitting here in line for 40 mins and looks like half way there. pic.twitter.com/

ó Sunny Walia (@crazytoon) December 1, 2019
Another Tesla owner claimed he ran into long lines at a charging station in Buellton.

Ran into same at Buellton and SLO SCs which are "edge" chargers due to the long distance between next stops. Not the worst, but the software could certainly do a better job warning about expected charging delays. pic.twitter.com/79BMuM0okC

ó T. Rust (@nibblonian) December 2, 2019
ďNot the worst, but the software could certainly do a better job warning about expected charging delays,Ē one driver criticized, adding that a mobile supercharger was on site, but not being utilized.
Was bittersweet to see this show up being prepped for the next day ó so no help to us. pic.twitter.com/Cg8xCPuw03

ó T. Rust (@nibblonian) December 2, 2019
The same scene played out at a charging station in San Luis Obispo, where a line of about 20 cars waited to charge, while a mobile supercharging station reportedly stood idly by.

Update on the Tesla supercharger at the Madonna Inn. The mobile supercharger was there but did not appear to be charging any vehicles. There were about 20 cars waiting to charge. $tsla $tslaq pic.twitter.com/FCMoTEAIuu
ó Chris (@ChrisLeeterman) December 1, 2019
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:01 AM   #3
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:55 AM   #4
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Like Uber, Tesla could (should) charge more during peak hours of demand. Other smaller stations with one or two chargers can follow, making that infrastructure investment profitable.
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:47 AM   #6
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I thought the app in the car was to direct them to different stations in the area that are less populated to distribute the load/wait times?

Their skynet should know there was a queue there and said, "hey, you... go down the road a bit."

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Old 12-03-2019, 11:18 AM   #7
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Few have thought how a single source and how much $ it will cost to upgrade or rebuild and what ENRON has planned ? 3 in line to charge ? I can see the suits fist fighting on side of road . Locally in my backwards low tax state I regularity see them trimming trees away from power lines in fall to prevent arc overs and ice dropping limbs on power lines. I wonder why the highest tax state of CA could not or would not also do this or simply bury lines underground to prevent wind arcs and fires?

have you seen this lineup video waiting to charge ? #tesla https://twitter.com/WappyGilmore/sta...162949122?s=20

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Old 12-03-2019, 11:53 AM   #8
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Dino fuel for the win. No one has ever had to wait for gas/diesel in line and there never has or will be shortages.
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:11 PM   #9
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Dino fuel for the win. No one has ever had to wait for gas/diesel in line and there never has or will be shortages.
Uh, gas was rationed in 1942 and there was also a supply glut during the 1970ís which lead to rationing and damn long wait times.
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:20 PM   #10
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Dino fuel for the win. No one has ever had to wait for gas/diesel in line and there never has or will be shortages.
Nope. Never happened.

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Old 12-03-2019, 12:25 PM   #11
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I'm going to assume that was sarcasm. Did anyone check the gas lines at costco over thanksgiving?

Kettleman has 40 chargers, which if you assume that each car needs 40 minutes to charge (which seems high?), then a car should cycle out every minute on average. That it was still backed up mainly shows just how many Tesla's are out there now.

It's also halfway between LA and San Francisco, so most any tesla going between the two will probably need to stop there.
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I'm going to assume that was sarcasm. Did anyone check the gas lines at costco over thanksgiving?

Kettleman has 40 chargers, which if you assume that each car needs 40 minutes to charge (which seems high?), then a car should cycle out every minute on average. That it was still backed up mainly shows just how many Tesla's are out there now.

It's also halfway between LA and San Francisco, so most any tesla going between the two will probably need to stop there.
Typically at the Superchargers, it's 40 minutes to get to 80% and 75 minutes to 100%. I wonder how many of them were charging to 100%.

Also, when there are 40 vehicles hooked up, is there a reduction in the charging rate due to capacity issues? Can someone chime in on that?

I know there is a higher V3 supercharger that cuts charging time even more but not sure if all Teslas are capable of those charging rates.
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:29 PM   #13
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I've said it many times, not a road trip vehicle. DD for work, daily things. Road trips, take a gas car. Interesting the entitlement among these owners. I ran a Leaf as my only car for 3 years, with a pathetic 84 mile range, and never had an issue because if I needed to road trip, I rented a gas vehicle. With all the savings on the fuel and maintenance it easily paid for it. But this is also why I just avoid traveling on or around traditional holidays in general.
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So dumb. Those people should know holiday and travel times are ridiculous and this was easily predictable. How many of them had to show up to Turd day to show off their Tesla? You could have rented a car, flown, or just not gone. I marvel at the herd yet again. Idiocracy is upon us.
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So dumb. Those people should know holiday and travel times are ridiculous and this was easily predictable. How many of them had to show up to Turd day to show off their Tesla? You could have rented a car, flown, or just not gone. I marvel at the herd yet again. Idiocracy is upon us.
Youíre giving humans too much credit. Iíd venture most would not have thought to rent a car for travel.
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Shouldn't they be happy that they are saving the planet?
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I have always wondered. To those who own an Electric car of any make. How long does it take the heater to work in the winter? If it is electric, I would wager it would be faster than ICE powered cars as they usually need the water from the engine to heat up first. conversely, how long does it take to get the AC to blow really cold air. Without a physical compressor, I would think they would use inductive cooling like a wine fridge, but those are not typically very powerful.

Would love to know as I am curious.
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I have always wondered. To those who own an Electric car of any make. How long does it take the heater to work in the winter? If it is electric, I would wager it would be faster than ICE powered cars as they usually need the water from the engine to heat up first. conversely, how long does it take to get the AC to blow really cold air. Without a physical compressor, I would think they would use inductive cooling like a wine fridge, but those are not typically very powerful.

Would love to know as I am curious.
If you're home, you can use the house current to pre-warm your car.

I thought the better EV cars used heat pumps to both cool and warm the car. Electric heater only kicks in on the really cold days.

I don't own an EV.
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I have always wondered. To those who own an Electric car of any make. How long does it take the heater to work in the winter? If it is electric, I would wager it would be faster than ICE powered cars as they usually need the water from the engine to heat up first. conversely, how long does it take to get the AC to blow really cold air. Without a physical compressor, I would think they would use inductive cooling like a wine fridge, but those are not typically very powerful.

Would love to know as I am curious.
A few seconds. Not something I have ever thought about in almost 6 years of ownership.

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IN there defense, renting a car sucks.
Really? Itís about as painless as something can be. Iíve rented them for 20+ years for work, for road trips. Iím in and out of the corporate chain in 5 minutes. Best thing is they have the best road side. Iíve had a flat before where it needed a doughnut thrown on. I call in after I have changed the tire (I did not want to wait on a truck, it was offered) and arrange to swap cars on my trip. In my own vehicle Iíd have to find a tire shop, and dick with that for a few hours if I can find one along the way and if they are open.

You should say renting a car sucks for you. Itís easier than hitting the grocery store here.
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A few seconds. Not something I have ever thought about in almost 6 years of ownership.



Really? It’s about as painless as something can be. I’ve rented them for 20+ years for work, for road trips. I’m in and out of the corporate chain in 5 minutes. Best thing is they have the best road side. I’ve had a flat before where it needed a doughnut thrown on. I call in after I have changed the tire (I did not want to wait on a truck, it was offered) and arrange to swap cars on my trip. In my own vehicle I’d have to find a tire shop, and dick with that for a few hours if I can find one along the way and if they are open.

You should say renting a car sucks for you. It’s easier than hitting the grocery store here.

And the cool thing is eventually car rentals will be electric, and can be charged in cycles between renters. It's a very simple solution, and even using gasoline rentals allows electric owners to go fuel free most of the time. I don't own a truck, but for the few times I actually need one every few years, rental is the most cost effective solution.
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A few seconds. Not something I have ever thought about in almost 6 years of ownership.



Really? Itís about as painless as something can be. Iíve rented them for 20+ years for work, for road trips. Iím in and out of the corporate chain in 5 minutes. Best thing is they have the best road side. Iíve had a flat before where it needed a doughnut thrown on. I call in after I have changed the tire (I did not want to wait on a truck, it was offered) and arrange to swap cars on my trip. In my own vehicle Iíd have to find a tire shop, and dick with that for a few hours if I can find one along the way and if they are open.

You should say renting a car sucks for you. Itís easier than hitting the grocery store here.
IT sucks for everybody.

You have to go online, find a local car rental place. Find a price and car you want.

REserve it.

Drive up there and have a buddy come with you so they can drive your car back home.

Drop it off and have your buddy come and get you.

Or if you use Enterprise, you have them come and get you, then you have to drive them back and drop them off.

It is never easy and pain free. Renting a car versus just using your own car. It is never easy to rent a car compared to using the car in your own driveway.

Not sure why you said where I live. I am right outside of the 4th largest city in the country. WE have probably close to 200 rental car places near me. None of them are convenient. What you are really saying is you do not mind the inconvenience. I however value my time far more.
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IT sucks for everybody.

You have to go online, find a local car rental place. Find a price and car you want.

REserve it.

Drive up there and have a buddy come with you so they can drive your car back home.

Drop it off and have your buddy come and get you.

Or if you use Enterprise, you have them come and get you, then you have to drive them back and drop them off.

It is never easy and pain free. Renting a car versus just using your own car. It is never easy to rent a car compared to using the car in your own driveway.

Not sure why you said where I live. I am right outside of the 4th largest city in the country. WE have probably close to 200 rental car places near me. None of them are convenient. What you are really saying is you do not mind the inconvenience. I however value my time far more.
Vs buddy...

1) Most off-airport rentals will do drop-off/pickup (with some advance notice). Free.

2) Uber (if available). Adds $$ to "rental".

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IT sucks for everybody.

You have to go online, find a local car rental place. Find a price and car you want.

REserve it.

Drive up there and have a buddy come with you so they can drive your car back home.

Drop it off and have your buddy come and get you.

Or if you use Enterprise, you have them come and get you, then you have to drive them back and drop them off.

It is never easy and pain free. Renting a car versus just using your own car. It is never easy to rent a car compared to using the car in your own driveway.

Not sure why you said where I live. I am right outside of the 4th largest city in the country. WE have probably close to 200 rental car places near me. None of them are convenient. What you are really saying is you do not mind the inconvenience. I however value my time far more.
No I am saying that is your opinion. I can be home watching the freaking TV and book a reservation. About as hard as buying something on Amazon.

Like you, I'm in a major metro. I could throw a rock and hit a car rental place. If I'm using one that picks me up, cool. If not, no big deal, uber, five whole dollars, and a 5 minute ride. All of it is just clicks.

No I wouldn't call any of it inconvenient. Maybe it is to someone hooked on convenience. I'd call inconvenient having to walk 10 miles to school. Not having food, or money to pay bills. The power going out, etc. Booking a car online, getting a ride to pick the vehicle up by an app or online inconvenient? No. In the grand scheme of things it's absolutely nothing. Reminds me of the Wolf of Wall Street quote "Oh honey, what a travesty, you probably had to pay them in cash with your hands!" Inconvenient my ass.

Then there is the liability. Last time I did a track day at COTA I rented a U-Haul van. On the way home from the weekend it started hailing, golf balls, then baseballs. I got off the highway pronto and jacked in behind a truck under a set of trees to keep the brunt of the damage off. I was almost panicked until I remembered this isn't my g damn vehicle! And I took the extra insurance out on the thing. i show back up to drop it off and had to fill out one paragraph. "It hailed on X date at X location" etc. And that was it, no fixing my vehicle, no out of pocket expenses, no drama. If it had been my own vehicle, deductible, depreciation, weeks in the shop, etc. There are many benefits to renting a low cost vehicle for a few days. If you get the optional insurance nothing that happens to the vehicle is going on your driving record, nor will you have to pay for any damage from hail, weather, theft attempt, etc. Until I get PPF and ceramic coating on my truck, I'd rent a vehicle right now if I had to go out of town.
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I have always wondered. To those who own an Electric car of any make. How long does it take the heater to work in the winter? If it is electric, I would wager it would be faster than ICE powered cars as they usually need the water from the engine to heat up first. conversely, how long does it take to get the AC to blow really cold air. Without a physical compressor, I would think they would use inductive cooling like a wine fridge, but those are not typically very powerful.

Would love to know as I am curious.
My model 3 puts out hot air in seconds (doesn't matter if it's plugged in or not). It's not the most energy efficient, but you can schedule it warm up your car or just pull up the app and turn on the heat and seat heaters. Unlike a gas car you can do this with a closed garage.

The heater uses about 6kw consumption rate.
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