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Old 09-16-2021, 11:42 AM   #3676
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I think there was an article on deceptive EV range and those with Regen breaking calculated a fair amount of city driving with Regen breaking helping. On long freeway tests, the range proved to be substantially less for some auto manufacturers.

I think in time, maybe 5-10 years we will see massive leaps in battery tech in terms of weight and range. I wouldn't be surprised if we have 600-700 range vehicles that realistically get 400-500 with all accessories running and freeway travel.
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Old 09-16-2021, 12:08 PM   #3677
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I think there was an article on deceptive EV range and those with Regen breaking calculated a fair amount of city driving with Regen breaking helping. On long freeway tests, the range proved to be substantially less for some auto manufacturers.

I think in time, maybe 5-10 years we will see massive leaps in battery tech in terms of weight and range. I wouldn't be surprised if we have 600-700 range vehicles that realistically get 400-500 with all accessories running and freeway travel.

On mine I've had to drive it, what was the Hunt for October quote....


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And the only way we can get you that far north is to strip it down and turn it into a flying gas can.

Get down to 10% range, whole dash looks like the Starship Enterprise, turn off heat/AC, etc. The range they quote is always bs to me. That's ideal circumstances and the streets never are. That's why I recommend them for DD/commuter. I'm not dealing with it going out of town, nor for "spirited" driving. We are years away from either IMO. I'll take the lower range, cheaper car, for local duty only. They excel at this, but not a 50k car. A 20-30k car, yes.
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Old 09-16-2021, 12:25 PM   #3678
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For what it's worth, I drive at least once a year from Detroit area to Raleigh NC and back, often at Thanksgiving. I typically stop at a hotel with free charging in Charleston WV. I usually have to stop every 2ish hours to charge, some of which is due to the spacing of Superchargers.

The charging might be 120-150 miles apart, so if you can go 200 miles by running down to 5-10% battery while driving "normally" through the mountains... you're stopping every 120-150 miles. Especially since you can't realistically charge higher than 80-90% at a supercharger.

This is for a 2019 Model 3 long range AWD with the 18" wheels and no aero covers, nominally rated at 310 miles when new.

If there were fast chargers every 10-20 miles you would have more flexibility to go longer between fast charges but that's now how they're spaced. Also the slowing charging rate as the battery fills up also creates the incentive to stop more frequently (keep it between 20 and 70-80% charge).
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Old 09-16-2021, 01:31 PM   #3679
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For what it's worth, I drive at least once a year from Detroit area to Raleigh NC and back, often at Thanksgiving. I typically stop at a hotel with free charging in Charleston WV. I usually have to stop every 2ish hours to charge, some of which is due to the spacing of Superchargers.

The charging might be 120-150 miles apart, so if you can go 200 miles by running down to 5-10% battery while driving "normally" through the mountains... you're stopping every 120-150 miles. Especially since you can't realistically charge higher than 80-90% at a supercharger.

This is for a 2019 Model 3 long range AWD with the 18" wheels and no aero covers, nominally rated at 310 miles when new.

If there were fast chargers every 10-20 miles you would have more flexibility to go longer between fast charges but that's now how they're spaced. Also the slowing charging rate as the battery fills up also creates the incentive to stop more frequently (keep it between 20 and 70-80% charge).
Thats interesting. We drive from Greenville SC to Onstead Michigan once a year. We just went there in July and we had to stop 4 times we drive all the way with my 2 little kids.



I think we got 270wh/mile in My 2018 Model 3 Performance, lowered on springs with aftermarket wheels.

We drove last week to Hilton Head and we took the ICE car and I hate it. It is only 4 hours away but the stops for gas and food were not great. The bathrooms were nasty and it was not a pleasant road trip. Autopilot really makes a huge difference. I cannot blame the bad stops on the car but the superchargers location that I been too have been on good locations.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:15 PM   #3680
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We drove last week to Hilton Head and we took the ICE car and I hate it. It is only 4 hours away but the stops for gas and food were not great. The bathrooms were nasty and it was not a pleasant road trip. Autopilot really makes a huge difference. I cannot blame the bad stops on the car but the superchargers location that I been too have been on good locations.
Time > comfort (as far as stops go). Adding on an additional 2 hours to the trip sounds miserable when you're driving ~10 hours already.

I suppose I'm not picky and I always eat in the car to minimize travel time. Gas stations are hardly the most offensive places I've been

Autopilot would be cool, but I'm not trusting enough of that system yet. When they drop the "your hands have to be on the steering wheel" and "you still need to pay attn" stuff (meaning when it gets really good) I'll be happy to use something like that.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:29 PM   #3681
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With a 250mile EPA rated car on a180 mile one way road trip, presumably on the interstates going 75mph+, will probably require fast charging on the way and charging at the destination. At least if you will when it's cold outside. A higher rated range will give you a cushion.
Looking at our monthly trip, we may be able to make it on a single charge with the model we are looking at (305 mile EPA range), but even if we do need to stop I checked and there are 4 50+KWH stops (3 of them are 150 KW), so a 15-20 minute break at the 1/2 way point is what we typically do anyways.

There will be a charger at our destination.

I will say 50% less in our region (where it doesn't get that cold) really seems like a worse case scenario. I am expecting to get 75%-80% range in our 60 degree average.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:29 PM   #3682
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Thats interesting. We drive from Greenville SC to Onstead Michigan once a year. We just went there in July and we had to stop 4 times we drive all the way with my 2 little kids.



I think we got 270wh/mile in My 2018 Model 3 Performance, lowered on springs with aftermarket wheels.

We drove last week to Hilton Head and we took the ICE car and I hate it. It is only 4 hours away but the stops for gas and food were not great. The bathrooms were nasty and it was not a pleasant road trip. Autopilot really makes a huge difference. I cannot blame the bad stops on the car but the superchargers location that I been too have been on good locations.

how many times do you have to stop for only a short 4 hour trip?
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:32 PM   #3683
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I think there was an article on deceptive EV range and those with Regen breaking calculated a fair amount of city driving with Regen breaking helping. On long freeway tests, the range proved to be substantially less for some auto manufacturers.

I think in time, maybe 5-10 years we will see massive leaps in battery tech in terms of weight and range. I wouldn't be surprised if we have 600-700 range vehicles that realistically get 400-500 with all accessories running and freeway travel.
if this happens, then they would have done what 95% of all ICE cars cannot and this WILL change minds. I have zero doubt. Being able to go further than a tank of gas will 'change everything'.
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Old 09-16-2021, 03:36 PM   #3684
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Time > comfort (as far as stops go). Adding on an additional 2 hours to the trip sounds miserable when you're driving ~10 hours already.

I suppose I'm not picky and I always eat in the car to minimize travel time. Gas stations are hardly the most offensive places I've been

Autopilot would be cool, but I'm not trusting enough of that system yet. When they drop the "your hands have to be on the steering wheel" and "you still need to pay attn" stuff (meaning when it gets really good) I'll be happy to use something like that.
you don't add 2 hours at all if you have kids. You maybe would add 45 minutes. You have to stop and feed them lol. The force stops work for us because you get some time to recharge and you feel fairly good after driving for that long. Also, again because of little kids the stops take even longer than what it takes the car to charge. I trust autopilot on the highway.

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how many times do you have to stop for only a short 4 hour trip?
one way one time and one the way back two times because of kids.
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:13 PM   #3685
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Shelby be doing wheelies. Yikes if that dude lifts.
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oh look another drag race video.

AWD versus RWD... shocking result. I think the Mustang did fairly well actually. Sounded epic.

still 9 seconds isn't anything to sneeze at from either car. It was a good race.

I sort of stopped caring about drag racing when I turned 19 though.
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