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Old 10-21-2022, 10:54 PM   #101
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exactly, anyone who has done that knows it is outright miserable doing that upside down.
I kept remembering you mentioning this in an older thread when I recently did mine, and is probably what kept me from doing it for so long. It wasn't nearly as hard as I expected. Hardest part was removing the old RTV, and reinstalling in the short 5 min window with new ThreeBond applied. And yea, I was upside down in a busy rat traffic area, although they usually come out to play at night.
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Old 10-22-2022, 09:15 AM   #102
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This kind of back and forth between members is just going to have people coming back to the forum. Keep it witty and informative guys.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:56 AM   #103
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I kept remembering you mentioning this in an older thread when I recently did mine, and is probably what kept me from doing it for so long. It wasn't nearly as hard as I expected. Hardest part was removing the old RTV, and reinstalling in the short 5 min window with new ThreeBond applied. And yea, I was upside down in a busy rat traffic area, although they usually come out to play at night.
right, so it's about the context of the question.
I've done it myself, but I had to.

My entire point was, doing it for no reason at all is bad advice when you have a perfectly sealed pan and no real statistical likelihood of a pick up failure despite the outright lies people make up about that likelihood without a single shred of legitimate data or evidence to support that claim.

If you just want to do a mod because you are into starting to mod stuff, fine, more power to you.
But this thread was not about a guy who said, "I want to mod just for the sake of modding because I'm into it, what are good starting points?"
Then sure, just start throwing out random mod ideas and see what sticks.

But he asked what he should do for reliability and he got a laundry list of horrible advice, best of all half of it was from a guy who has never done these things on any car and doesn't have any experience, but DOES have all the answers because youtube.

Now he's got a less reliable car, and worst of all he thinks he got a lifetime engine warranty. I mean for gods sake? Lifetime engine warranty WITH mods?
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Old 10-24-2022, 09:08 AM   #104
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Keep throwing a tantrum while ignoring my actual points - it definitely makes you appear more correct

It's easy to tell RTV is a bad faith actor by how quickly and expertly he backtracks and strategically ignores anytime he's proven incorrect.

You seem to be confused - an otherwise stock STi with a cyl 4 cooling mod, a high quality and correctly installed AOS, and KB oil pickup pickup WOULD be inherently more reliable than the same car in stock form because these are all areas where the aftermarket identified problems with the platform, and engineered a solution to address the problem. You ever wonder why cylinder 4 seems to be the only one to fail?

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Old 10-24-2022, 10:38 AM   #105
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TBH I would agree with RTV and skip cracking the seal on your oil pan if not necessary. I had a reputable tuning shop in the area install my KB oil pickup a couple years ago (mainly bc I didn't want to do the job lol).

Here I am 2 years later with a leaking oil pan seal from the silicone they used. I ended up replacing it with a Torque solutions oil pan with the fkm rubber o ring since I now hate silicone lol. But ended up having to do the job myself just for peace of mind.

But that's just my experience. If you're a novice installing the oil pan with rtv silicone sealant on the ground upside down having to align it isn't the easiest job. I'd steer any first timer away from that.

Much better to do on an engine stand. Reliable is subjective to the quality of work someone can do. Hence why my advice to leave it oem.. when in doubt.
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Old 10-24-2022, 10:47 AM   #106
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I'd much rather have a leaky oil pan than a cracked pickup, given that leak isn't catastrophic of course.

One drops some oil on the garage floor - the other grenades your engine.

I would agree with the advice of when in doubt leave it stock - most of the time... The exception though is that manufacturers do occasionally make mistakes that can lead to catastrophic failures, and more often than they wish to admit. Cummins KDP anyone?

And while obviously not even close to every pickup is going to fail, I don't want to take that chance when there are many documented cases of pickup failure.

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Old 10-24-2022, 04:00 PM   #107
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right, so it's about the context of the question.
I've done it myself, but I had to.

My entire point was, doing it for no reason at all is bad advice when you have a perfectly sealed pan and no real statistical likelihood of a pick up failure despite the outright lies people make up about that likelihood without a single shred of legitimate data or evidence to support that claim.

If you just want to do a mod because you are into starting to mod stuff, fine, more power to you.
But this thread was not about a guy who said, "I want to mod just for the sake of modding because I'm into it, what are good starting points?"
Then sure, just start throwing out random mod ideas and see what sticks.

But he asked what he should do for reliability and he got a laundry list of horrible advice, best of all half of it was from a guy who has never done these things on any car and doesn't have any experience, but DOES have all the answers because youtube.

Now he's got a less reliable car, and worst of all he thinks he got a lifetime engine warranty. I mean for gods sake? Lifetime engine warranty WITH mods?
I mean, I can provide evidence of the specific documentation from the dealership, where it states that.

Maybe that will show you that some people actually retain and ask for documentation that is validated and vetted.

Then there's the clarification I received from the General Manager, that is signed in wet ink by him to confirm that modifications are acceptable.
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Old 10-24-2022, 05:43 PM   #108
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I mean, I can provide evidence of the specific documentation from the dealership, where it states that.
Please do I'm curries to see. Not that I don't believe you. Also what dealership in Philly was this? Ill be buying my next car from them with that kind of warranty.
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Old 10-24-2022, 05:44 PM   #109
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I mean, I can provide evidence of the specific documentation from the dealership, where it states that.
Please do I'm curries to see. Not that I don't believe you. Also what dealership in Philly was this? Ill be buying my next car from them with that kind of warranty.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:40 AM   #110
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Keep throwing a tantrum while ignoring my actual points - it definitely makes you appear more correct
interesting definition of a tantrum
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TBH I would agree with RTV and skip cracking the seal on your oil pan if not necessary.

Here I am 2 years later with a leaking oil pan seal

But that's just my experience. If you're a novice installing the oil pan with rtv silicone sealant on the ground upside down having to align it isn't the easiest job. I'd steer any first timer away from that.
^someone with actual experience making the same point, who'd have guessed right?
exactly, getting that lined up without smearing your sealant before you get two bolts started upside down on your back isn't as easy as it may sound.
On a stand, piece of cake. Upside down, not so much.
Guys who have never done it simply shouldn't chime in on this one.

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I'd much rather have a leaky oil pan than a cracked pickup, given that leak isn't catastrophic of course.
and I'm the contrarion
let us know the actual likelihood of this when you have a shred of actual data, until then let it go dude
(ever done that job BTW?)

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I mean, I can provide evidence of the specific documentation from the dealership, where it states that.

Maybe that will show you that some people actually retain and ask for documentation that is validated and vetted.
dude, I'm not saying you don't have a piece of paper that makes it sound like that. That's why it's called a scam. A lifetime engine warranty isn't a thing.
I can't say exactly what the scam is (by all means post the doc) because I haven't spoken to the people there or seen the doc, but I know there's a loophole.
For example, you have a lifetime warranty on engine PARTS, but not labor, but the parts warranty only applies if you have the work done there, and they choose the labor rate AND the time (whether it's reasonable or not) for the job so they simply account for the free parts with inflated labor.
In the end it will cost the exact same as simply paying for the work, but they make it seem like you are getting something for free.

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Please do I'm curries to see. Not that I don't believe you. Also what dealership in Philly was this? Ill be buying my next car from them with that kind of warranty.
That makes two of us curious
sheesh, if you could get a lifetime engine warranty on an STI or WRX I'd tune the thing to an oblivion and let it blow up and simply stroll in for a free engine every year or two.
Maybe I'd even lug the engine if I was feeling really crazy and run it below 3500 rpm's.
Or crazier yet, leave the stock pickup in there

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Old 10-25-2022, 10:05 AM   #111
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Wow one person agrees with you? Remember in post #101 when a5m said the exact opposite about their oil pan experience and you came in with all the excuses about how even if it's not that difficult for some people depending on technical experience, people should stay stock regardless....

We get it man - you don't think the pickup fails in significant numbers that warrants a replacement. I and much of the community do.
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Old 10-25-2022, 11:02 AM   #112
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Please stop or lock this thread.

I have lived through the flame wars and pissing and moaning of Uncle Scotty and this is worse. At this point, neither of you are contributing anything meaningful except **** measuring. I'm sure others echo this sentiment.

Let is go.
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Old 10-25-2022, 11:17 AM   #113
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Wow one person agrees with you?
LOL I do not agree with him, I still say the pickup is a very important mod, even if there is a .01% chance of failing. I'm also just curies to see the wording of the dealership regarding their warranty.
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Old 10-25-2022, 11:17 AM   #114
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MOFO double post.
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Old 10-25-2022, 11:23 AM   #115
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LOL I do not agree with him, I still say the pickup is a very important mod, even if there is a .01% chance of failing. I'm also just curies to see the wording of the dealership regarding their warranty.

I was referencing GK1707
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Old 10-25-2022, 11:26 AM   #116
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Gotcha, ya taking off the oil pan while under the car IS a PITA but it is not that hard for a newbie. Plus that gives you change to see what is in the bottom of the pan, and assess the health of your eng.
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Old 10-25-2022, 01:11 PM   #117
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Gotcha, ya taking off the oil pan while under the car IS a PITA but it is not that hard for a newbie. Plus that gives you change to see what is in the bottom of the pan, and assess the health of your eng.
no not that hard, just not worth it for no legitimate reason

Kermit watched a youtube video on it and the guy said it wasn't so bad, that's how he knows
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Old 10-25-2022, 02:36 PM   #118
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The legitimate reason is replacing the failure prone pickup.

Try to follow along
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:38 AM   #119
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One of my first mods was the pickup. Cheaper than buying a new engine.
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no real statistical likelihood of a pick up failure despite the outright lies people make up about that likelihood without a single shred of legitimate data or evidence to support that claim.
So this is not a single shred of evidence?

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So this is not a single shred of evidence?
Holy crap dude, do you genuinely not get statistics in any way?
No, that isn't evidence of a legitimate statistical likelihood of pickups being prone to failure beyond the level justifying opening an engine up to replace a part.

That is evidence that it CAN happen.
Everything CAN happen, and everything HAS happened at least once.
Literally everything has happened some number of times. You could use your logic for any of 5,000 individual parts in an engine.

There's been valves where the stem breaks off right at the keeper, valve falls in and wrecks the engine.
It's happened.
So according to you that means evidence exists that valves should be pre-emptively replaced because failures have occured and you have a picture to prove it.

We get it, you sell these (literal definition of a conflict of interests with your opinion here btw)
You have a monetary incentive to push this notion that the pickup should be pre-emptively replaced.
I'm sure your pickup is far more robust than the factory pickup, not debating that.
But saying there is legitimate staistical evidence that this is true is simply made up and false because there isn't.
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I have way more pics of broken pickup than you can find of dropped valves on an EJ, and we stopped collecting pics 10 years ago.

How about this, is this enough?









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dp delete :/

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