New Subaru Levorg revealed as 'grand touring' estate - Page 2

4S-TURBO · 10-23-2019, 03:59 PM

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Angelus911 · 10-23-2019, 04:03 PM

I don't think it looks that bad, I actually like it:

I'd sell my POS Legacy and get this if it was available

WhiteRX09 · 10-23-2019, 04:21 PM

A lot of weird angles in the doors and wheel arches.

J_C_O · 10-23-2019, 04:29 PM

People get too easily on that fault-finding behaviour.

Guys:
-It's not an SUV
-It has AWD and a turbo boxer engine
-Wheel arches have never been so prominent and even less in a wagon
-Have you seen that hood scoop? The best of new and old design together!
-It's surprisingly close to the viziv tourer concept as no other Subaru has ever been
-it's not fugly or bland

I don't know... Nowadays it's a pretty rare offering. I'm happy with what I see and for what it could have been but it's not.

dwf137 · 10-23-2019, 05:17 PM

If I needed a new car, 10/10 would buy. The front is a little busy, but it's less busy that other cars on the market. I'm betting it'll look a lot better in person, and when there isn't blinding lights from every direction on it.

If they brought it here, it's a day late and dollar short for me, unfortunately. It won't show up on our shores though, so I'll just keep enjoying my hatchback.

fredzy · 10-23-2019, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_C_O

People get too easily on that fault-finding behaviour.

Guys:
-It's not an SUV
-It has AWD and a turbo boxer engine
-Wheel arches have never been so prominent and even less in a wagon
-Have you seen that hood scoop? The best of new and old design together!
-It's surprisingly close to the viziv tourer concept as no other Subaru has ever been
-it's not fugly or bland

I don't know... Nowadays it's a pretty rare offering. I'm happy with what I see and for what it could have been but it's not.

They need to give us the WRX version of this. Call it WRX GT. Basic, no techno-bloat, 6MT. I'd have a tent set up at the port in Baltimore waiting for the boat.

Target the many Americans coming in to buy an Ascent or an Outback, they will all leave with Ascents and Outbacks, no Levorg sales. Target the 1 in 10 WRX buyers who are open to a wagon (or the 50% + who dug the GR hatch over the sedan) and you'll sell enough WRX GT's to not have to commit seppuku.

alexd3498 · 10-23-2019, 05:30 PM

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/next-subaru-wrx-previewed-levorg-station-wagon-photos/

Automobile claims subaru is going to release another special sti in november in the beginning of this article. Do they know something nobody else knows and accidentally leak it out?

Straight6 · 10-23-2019, 05:32 PM

Ewwwww. That is ugly.

heavyD · 10-23-2019, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_C_O

People get too easily on that fault-finding behaviour.

Guys:
-It's not an SUV
-It has AWD and a turbo boxer engine
-Wheel arches have never been so prominent and even less in a wagon
-Have you seen that hood scoop? The best of new and old design together!
-It's surprisingly close to the viziv tourer concept as no other Subaru has ever been
-it's not fugly or bland

I don't know... Nowadays it's a pretty rare offering. I'm happy with what I see and for what it could have been but it's not.

That's great and all but doesn't justify the ugliness. Why does this and the Impreza have to have so many straight lines and sharp angles?

dwf137 · 10-23-2019, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyD

That's great and all but doesn't justify the ugliness. Why does this and the Impreza have to have so many straight lines and sharp angles?

This is a prototype and will surely get toned down for production... 'least that's the way I see it happening. Or maybe this is production ready? Even if so, I think it'd do fine on the market.

ejicon · 10-23-2019, 06:59 PM

Nice. I guess this is a sneak-peak at what to expect for the upcoming WRX/STI redesign.

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyD

That's great and all but doesn't justify the ugliness. Why does this and the Impreza have to have so many straight lines and sharp angles?

Because we're heading into the future. The future is linear with straighline and edges. You'll be seeing a lot more of this from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc.

SeeeeeYa · 10-23-2019, 08:20 PM

People see the same thing in so many different ways. Some see attractive, some see ugly. First I see what everyone else does, and any gut reaction from it. But that's just my opinion, even to myself, and then I "see" the object in a dynamic environment... the atmosphere and aerodynamics.

Here I see purposes beyond each of the elements and what they're designed to do. Take the headlights... they're positiond in a shaped chute that whips high speed air past, over, and around it: Self cleaning at speed.

The radiator openings, upper and lower, are in the highest pressure areas, ensuring the fundamentals of maintaining temperature control of engine, oil, and transmission. The lower opening is where an active grill shutter lives, either providing additional cooling or when closed a more aerodynamically efficient frontal area that adds to gas mileage. Lower, the "splitter" shelf both shapes airflow as well as employing it for front downforce.

It's not only an engineering success, its aesthetics are trendy yet uniquely identifiable as Subaru. The hoodscoop, as multiple people including myself have said, embodies the best of the old and new into both a uniquely functional design and a muted modernized statement of purpose.

All the black plastic is functionally placed while shaping, complementing, and flattering the body's shape by directing the eyes to see more svelt that it has.

That's just the clothes on the runway model, it is the implications of what's underneath that its overall presence hints at... performance, as teased by that scoop, dual exhausts, tires and stance. The badges and iconic grill "wing" of a Subru means turbocharge boxer, all wheel drive, and meaner than it looks... in the judicial hands of more a mature driver.

Class.

But so far we can't have it. Why. Americans, in my experience, sadly, are crass rednecks compared to other countries I've visited. Maybe one day we'll grow up and get things like the EJ207 and Levorg. Why? We simply haven't appreciated them enough. They don't care... because they do like them and don't need our insuting opinion.

DISCLAIMER:
Written by an acknowledged Subaru fan and biased.

Akrexak · 10-23-2019, 09:26 PM

I'd like to see it in person...

Aphex28 · 10-23-2019, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Is that a belt driven water pump? WTH is that thing on the front of the motor with coolant lines going to it, a water cooled fuel pump?

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, you mean the thing between the oil fill neck and dip stick? Or you mean the turbo?

Kostamojen · 10-23-2019, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aphex28

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, you mean the thing between the oil fill neck and dip stick? Or you mean the turbo?

This thing.

https://i.imgur.com/3SnbtFw.jpg

Water cooled EGR? Coolant reservoir? Air Oil Seperator? External oil cooler?

blackseafleet · 10-23-2019, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

I think it's an FB18DIT replacing the FB16DIT. All the bits from the FB family look to be in the same place.

wasnt there an article that there is a new FA15DIT alongside an FA18DIT? wonder if that's true, but they likely meant FB15 and 18DIT as shown in the levorg engine photo.

blackseafleet · 10-23-2019, 10:23 PM

I see exactly what the concept and the current impreza suggested, and Ive been saying the current impreza would have made a good STI based on the design. I can't WAIT to see it in STI trim. I think it looks slimmer than the current cars. i'm very into it. Bottom of the front bumper is a little busy, but i like the top half quite a bit.

Tone down the bottom of the front bumper and make the sides a little more interesting and I think it's a winner.

I'm imagining Jeremy Clarkson again saying 'they forgot to style the sides'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelus911

I don't think it looks that bad, I actually like it:

SeeeeeYa · 10-23-2019, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

This thing.

https://i.imgur.com/3SnbtFw.jpg

Water cooled EGR? Coolant reservoir? Air Oil Seperator? External oil cooler?

Since we're guessing mine is water/coolant regulated CVT cooler.

keepclam · 10-23-2019, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

I've decided to keep the LGT another year and am redoing the entire front suspension and passenger axle. Might end up doing the rack, too. All that money. Coulda had a Levorg instead.

Attaboy.

keepclam · 10-23-2019, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

And I'll move this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGM952mG1W4

I like it even better in the vid, thanks!
Note: is that an UPDATED Viziv Adrenaline concept at 17:27?? If so, methinks may be future model.

Blktrax · 10-23-2019, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Is that a belt driven water pump? WTH is that thing on the front of the motor with coolant lines going to it, a water cooled fuel pump?

EGR Cooler, just on the front instead of on the back.

JP Chestnut · 10-23-2019, 11:08 PM

I think it’s pretty nice looking. That’s not much of a surprise though - the current styling of all the Subaru models is pretty attractive.

4S-TURBO · 10-24-2019, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keepclam

Attaboy.

Heads up the axles are on backorder.

keepclam · 10-24-2019, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

Heads up the axles are on backorder.

Oy.

Goempie · 10-24-2019, 03:14 AM

Thought the levorg would be begin 2020. It is end 2020 for Europe. So wrx, STI Will be shown in USA auto shows and begin 2021.

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10-23-2019, 04:03 PM	#27
Angelus911 Scooby Specialist Member#: 89967 Join Date: Jun 2005 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2020 Volvo S60 Gray	I don't think it looks that bad, I actually like it: I'd sell my POS Legacy and get this if it was available

10-23-2019, 04:21 PM	#28
WhiteRX09 Scooby Newbie Member#: 321304 Join Date: May 2012 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: MD Vehicle: 2013 WRX White	A lot of weird angles in the doors and wheel arches.

10-23-2019, 04:29 PM	#29
J_C_O Scooby Newbie Member#: 454909 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Andorra Vehicle: 2006 WRX SW Crystal gray	People get too easily on that fault-finding behaviour. Guys: -It's not an SUV -It has AWD and a turbo boxer engine -Wheel arches have never been so prominent and even less in a wagon -Have you seen that hood scoop? The best of new and old design together! -It's surprisingly close to the viziv tourer concept as no other Subaru has ever been -it's not fugly or bland I don't know... Nowadays it's a pretty rare offering. I'm happy with what I see and for what it could have been but it's not.

10-23-2019, 05:17 PM	#30
dwf137 Scooby Specialist Member#: 161333 Join Date: Oct 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: snoco wa Vehicle: 20 Yami XSR fast leaf	If I needed a new car, 10/10 would buy. The front is a little busy, but it's less busy that other cars on the market. I'm betting it'll look a lot better in person, and when there isn't blinding lights from every direction on it. If they brought it here, it's a day late and dollar short for me, unfortunately. It won't show up on our shores though, so I'll just keep enjoying my hatchback.

10-23-2019, 05:30 PM	#32
alexd3498 Scooby Newbie Member#: 461055 Join Date: Jan 2017 Vehicle: 2015 Ford Focus ST Magnetic	https://www.automobilemag.com/news/next-subaru-wrx-previewed-levorg-station-wagon-photos/ Automobile claims subaru is going to release another special sti in november in the beginning of this article. Do they know something nobody else knows and accidentally leak it out?

10-23-2019, 05:32 PM	#33
Straight6 Scooby Specialist Member#: 419593 Join Date: Apr 2015	Ewwwww. That is ugly.

10-23-2019, 08:20 PM	#37
SeeeeeYa Scooby Specialist Member#: 129681 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: MAIC	People see the same thing in so many different ways. Some see attractive, some see ugly. First I see what everyone else does, and any gut reaction from it. But that's just my opinion, even to myself, and then I "see" the object in a dynamic environment... the atmosphere and aerodynamics. Here I see purposes beyond each of the elements and what they're designed to do. Take the headlights... they're positiond in a shaped chute that whips high speed air past, over, and around it: Self cleaning at speed. The radiator openings, upper and lower, are in the highest pressure areas, ensuring the fundamentals of maintaining temperature control of engine, oil, and transmission. The lower opening is where an active grill shutter lives, either providing additional cooling or when closed a more aerodynamically efficient frontal area that adds to gas mileage. Lower, the "splitter" shelf both shapes airflow as well as employing it for front downforce. It's not only an engineering success, its aesthetics are trendy yet uniquely identifiable as Subaru. The hoodscoop, as multiple people including myself have said, embodies the best of the old and new into both a uniquely functional design and a muted modernized statement of purpose. All the black plastic is functionally placed while shaping, complementing, and flattering the body's shape by directing the eyes to see more svelt that it has. That's just the clothes on the runway model, it is the implications of what's underneath that its overall presence hints at... performance, as teased by that scoop, dual exhausts, tires and stance. The badges and iconic grill "wing" of a Subru means turbocharge boxer, all wheel drive, and meaner than it looks... in the judicial hands of more a mature driver. Class. But so far we can't have it. Why. Americans, in my experience, sadly, are crass rednecks compared to other countries I've visited. Maybe one day we'll grow up and get things like the EJ207 and Levorg. Why? We simply haven't appreciated them enough. They don't care... because they do like them and don't need our insuting opinion. DISCLAIMER: Written by an acknowledged Subaru fan and biased.

10-23-2019, 09:26 PM	#38
Akrexak Scooby Guru Member#: 100607 Join Date: Nov 2005 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Offutt, NE Vehicle: 2019 STI-His 14 XT-Hers	I'd like to see it in person...

10-23-2019, 11:08 PM	#47
JP Chestnut Scooby Specialist Member#: 504432 Join Date: Jul 2019 Chapter/Region: Tri-State	I think it’s pretty nice looking. That’s not much of a surprise though - the current styling of all the Subaru models is pretty attractive.

10-24-2019, 03:14 AM	#50
Goempie Scooby Newbie Member#: 166202 Join Date: Dec 2007	Thought the levorg would be begin 2020. It is end 2020 for Europe. So wrx, STI Will be shown in USA auto shows and begin 2021.