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12-06-2022, 09:53 AM | #1376 |
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I was trying to find my post in this thread where I said "ehhh diffs aren't really that important." It's funny, because to my knowledge I am the first guy to get a GRC allocation without diffs.
Everything else to date has been loaded. It's black, cold weather pack only. Pretty much exactly how I said I'd option the thing before I found out how damn cheap the packages were. Just under $38k MSRP, no markup, not even a bogus warranty or protection package. WWJD?
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12-06-2022, 10:13 AM | #1377 |
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Are you asking because you now want the diffs dues to $$??
Sell your spot to some financially irresponsible "I'm 1st" Bro for a $10k profit and get one with all packages NOT 1st. Or keep it and be 1st. Either way, congrats!! |
12-06-2022, 10:52 AM | #1378 | |
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12-06-2022, 04:02 PM | #1379 |
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I only want the diffs because why not at $1200? But yeah could upgrade the rear for about that $$ and be perfectly fine in the event that I somehow get to the point that I need it.
Funny, out of 220 cars so far, less than 10 are without perf pack haha. Not exactly a desirable kind of rare though I suspect eventually the diffs will become a lot less common. I had in mind to give my spot to a friend but have come to understand that the place in line is non-transferrable, ha |
12-06-2022, 08:11 PM | #1380 |
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12-06-2022, 11:43 PM | #1381 | |
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Truthfully I have no issue with this spec though. I'm in no hurry. I just don't have a good feel for what my options are - to pass, keep my spot etc. This guy never wants to talk. But I have to hand it to him, he wasn't s**ttin me about being #1 I bet #2 in line is like don't pass! don't pass! |
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12-07-2022, 02:11 AM | #1382 | |
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At the end of the day Fred’s money is Fred’s money, not ours. Should he want to take a non-PP car to get it sooner so be it. I’d wait as this is early days. They will get another one. New New Hype is real though. I see guys willingly forking over $2500 in ADM saying “it’s less than what others are charging” and I just smh, it’s their money though. I wouldn’t pay $1000 ADM on a Morizo or a Circuit so certainly not on a Core. Seen this movie, just need some tim and to let the idiots tripping over themselves with money falling out their pockets go first. They want it so soon and want to overpay so much, by all means cut in line Billy. Have at it! |
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12-07-2022, 10:09 AM | #1383 | |
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sure they could go see a LPC and probably pay more for someone to talk to them about their FOMO. anyway, the used market is getting softer by the day. cars.com has price drops listed for Mk8 Golf Rs, and the same is true of the used CTR market. and the used STI market seems to be dropping like a stone. the 2021 STIs with price reduction, most of the ones with reductions are over $3000 off original price. patience. as far as PP, or not, sure it'd be nice, but none of the packages are deal breakers for me. honestly, the cold weather package is probably higher on my list of wants than the tech, or PP, specifically because there isn't much of an aftermarket for adding seat heaters. but then again, I'm in Houston, so I use the heated seats maybe a total of 60 days? |
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12-07-2022, 10:28 AM | #1384 | |
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12-07-2022, 10:38 AM | #1385 | |
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12-07-2022, 10:42 AM | #1386 | |
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pre... presume you can get the car ASAP for $2500 ADM. you have $15000 trade (or down), and can get 7% interest. the interest will cost you ~$5100 for the life of a 60 month loan now, get it this coming summer for $0 ADM. same $15000 trade (or down), and get 10% interest. the interest will cost you ~$6900 for that same 60 month term so now that's roughly $1800 more you're paying for the loan, by paying $2500 less, so really only saving $700? and then don't forget if you're doing a trade in, that value is going to drop like a stone over the next 6 months, so you better save cash to offset that trade. I've been watching the trade value of my BRZ since the beginning of the year, it's lost $7000 since April. it'll lose more over the next 6 months, and if I don't offset that in cash, then the loan costs even more. there's a lot more math you need to do than just say "ADM, LOL, nope!" and maybe your scenario is completely different, maybe you're proudly paying cash, or paying enough down to where the difference of 7 and 10% rates doesn't matter too much, good for you, that's not normal people, and maybe normal people are idiots for not paying for it the way you are? anyway, there's definitely mathematical benefits to paying a higher ADM today, and either coming out in a wash vs paying no ADM in 6 months, or even coming out ahead by making the purchase sooner for an ADM. and yeah, even to a point of paying $5000 in ADM might make sense, depending on trade, and other variables. Last edited by samagon; 12-07-2022 at 11:01 AM. |
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12-07-2022, 02:55 PM | #1387 | |
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I waited or it took me 6 weeks, $499. That was Dec 2020. What I read is justification. You can justify anything in this world if hang off a cliff far enough. High interest rates won't last, so impatience. I have to have it now, impatience. ADM, impatience. Is your BRZ end of life? So many miles that fixing it, maintaining, etc, is chalked? I doubt it. So this is a want for you, and you're justifying your want. Ok, that's your property and your dimes. Cool. But ADM still F's over your fellow enthusiasts. Look dude, I care more about principles and people than my own timelines and personal wants. Wants can wait. Look at this ****. First damn car hasn't even been delivered. Idiots (not you) acting like the damn thing is going to be produced for 2023 and that's it. It's a joke. FOMO + YOLO = stupidity in spades. And nah, I'm not trading anything in. I only get rid of something if it is giving me fits under warranty where I feel like long term, it's not going to be reliable or a maintenance nightmare. I don't buy stuff I don't plan on keeping long term so your variables are not mine at all. My DD is almost 9 years old and it'll keep chugging along. The last thing I'd do anyways is DD something like a GRC, BRZ, etc. The GRC is a want. Wants can wait. You know what I do during the wait? Stack guap. By the time the Circuit is being manufactured this Spring I'll have over 20k stacked. I don't finance anything unless I've got 5 figures down as big car payments are not my bag, and they can really F you up in a recession, job loss, etc. I'd rather wait until I have a sizable deposit, and buying favors the consumer. My credit union finance rates were 2.9% until 4-6 weeks ago (I don't check it every week). Now it's 3.74%. If that spikes to say 4.9%, well not much different than ADM, I can wait. High interest won't last imo. It's the short term. I don't f with the short term anything unless it's repairing something. All new vehicle, FMC, meh, +12, +18 months, or maybe +24 months due to demand outstripping supply on a brand new new shiny thing. + these interest rates. Sorry I don't get the hurry. This is the tuner's class of car where you can buy X for Y, throw 5k at it and have something that can perform like the new 60k deal. But guess what? These fools go tripping all over themselves with money falling out their pockets get it. They are the first ones on the forums whining and crying "Where are the parts? I'm tired of waiting" Newflash dummies it's a full year for aftermarket companies to dime the thing out, 24 months to have a choice of this and that whether that be turbos, exhausts, what have you. Then you have first model year issues. Yeah, G16 + GR4 but it's still a new model. Always something, even with Yotas. Then like the RS, God help you if you have a fender bender, or need an OEM part. Your shiny thing you just overpaid for, is chalked, parked, either at your domicile or rotting in the service storage area of your stealer. Too many pros for waiting that far outweigh the cons. No cons to me at all. Then there is good ol' ADM screwing over your fellow enthusiasts. "ADM, LOL, nope" |
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12-07-2022, 03:40 PM | #1388 |
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imagine paying ADM for the bait and switch Corolloa.... I agree with Pre it screws over other enthusiasts...Matt Farah agrees watch his last video where he talks about the Corolla and ADM
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12-07-2022, 03:47 PM | #1389 |
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Yeah, the only price anyone should pay, regardless of their own personal financial / longevity situation is the PREapproved price, haven't we been thru this about 137 times?!?
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12-07-2022, 04:35 PM | #1390 | |
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The problem with this rationale for paying ADM is that there is a wiser though less predictable option if you can handle* it: patience. Even if the Fed gave me their playlist for rate increases for the year, I had no way to know whether one of my dealers was going to come through tomorrow, next month, next year. Even knowing the future rates I would have passed on ADM and crossed my fingers. The situation for obtaining a GRC looks much much worse than the early days of the GR86. Getting with an MSRP dealer and waiting may very well never get you a car if you're starting now. Unless you get lucky it will require a lot of active, futile* searching. The fear of going into that purgatory alone banishes any regret from my mind about taking a GRC without diffs I don't need. * The wait for Toyota to "fill your preference request" with an allocation is a uniquely terrible type of hell. I honestly can't give people too much grief for paying ADM having endured it. |
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12-07-2022, 05:06 PM | #1391 | |
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car buying is a business and financial decision, plane and simple, there's no other moral code that comes into that for me. if anything you're the one who's coming up with some bro code for cars to justify not paying ADM even when (depending on the circumstances) it can demonstrably save a person money. like I said, and like you confirm though, we all have different financial places we are in and how we will be buying. a person trading in a vehicle has precipitously dropping trade values to consider. a person financing has quickly rising interest rates to consider. a person doing both either has to have a bigger down payment to offset both of those factors, or they need to consider that both of those things will compound. something you don't have to worry about, so you can sit on your hands and wait for whatever trigger you want that tells you "ok, let's do this". so yeah, for someone financing and trading in, asap is better, even if it raises the vehicle price by a bit, the total cost can be lower. |
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12-07-2022, 05:13 PM | #1392 |
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You’re gonna pay for a Toyota above MSRP no matter what lol even if there is no ADM which I doubt no dealer is gonna let you go without at least paint protection or some bs you didn’t specifically ask for
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12-07-2022, 05:27 PM | #1393 | |
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confidence is high from pundits everywhere that interest rates will keep going up (if not as swiftly as they have), as well that used car prices will keep going down (faster or slower than current is anyone's guess). what we can't see is how long or deep any potential recession might be, that's a wildcard for sure. while a recession means I might (lots of stress on that word) be able to get into a GRC at MSRP, and maybe even lower, it also means my trade will drop even faster than it is now, so that's kind of a wash in my opinion. so that leads me back to, if I have an opportunity at a reasonable ADM to pick on up soon, rather than wait, I'll consider it a 'bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush' type of scenario. I'm sure Pre will label it as FOMO though. and as mcarb002 references, it's not really a specific ADM that we all have to consider, I have a specific number 'not to exceed' in my mind for what I'd be willing to pay for the GRC before tax, trade, etc. and those PIO aren't even things Pre will be able to get out of. Last edited by samagon; 12-07-2022 at 05:43 PM. |
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12-07-2022, 06:03 PM | #1394 |
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I wonder if ADM is an algorithm across the dealerships just like websites have when a product gets popular the algorithm adjusts the price higher accordingly? I, for one, welcome our robot overlords..
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12-07-2022, 06:24 PM | #1395 |
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If anything has a piece of algorithm in it it's the MSRP. Dealer ADM is 100% shooting from the hip.
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12-07-2022, 07:50 PM | #1396 |
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12-07-2022, 07:55 PM | #1397 | |
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12-07-2022, 08:02 PM | #1398 |
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The fact we get screwed for hot hatches is the same reason the GRC has ADMs. There’s no competition. I’d love a Focus ST, I’d even bring home my ST-Line if I could. Or a Focus RS using the new platform, that would have been amazing.
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12-07-2022, 10:28 PM | #1399 | |
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12-07-2022, 10:30 PM | #1400 |
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Not it’s not. I’ve been through this before. It may be a big thing to you, it isn’t to me. Nothing worth tripping over yourself and lighting bennies on fire for, that’s for sure.
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