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Old 06-17-2022, 09:59 AM   #51
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It's gonna develop that custom fade that all the cool kids rave about.
My cousins M3 carb roof doesn’t have a lick of fade. 100k miles and kept outside. I think as long as you take care of it like any painted/specialized texture surface it’ll be ok…
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For the asking price I'm sure all owners will have it taken care of. I was just thinking of those that haven't taken care of their carbon fiber and let it fade.
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Here it is!





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THE PRODRIVE P25 - A RECREATION OF THE ICONIC BLUE SUBARU IMPREZA

The Prodrive P25 will make its debut at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this Thursday 23 June.

It's 25 years since Prodrive debuted the two door Impreza World Rally Car (WRC), which inspired the Subaru Impreza 22B. Only 424 of these special edition road cars were manufactured and over time it has achieved cult status as the ultimate turbo charged four wheel drive car of its era.

Now 25 years later using the latest technology and materials, Prodrive has reimagined what this car would have been today. Just 25 cars will be produced, each with an original two-door Impreza WRX chassis at its core. This is the very same chassis used in the first Impreza WRC, but now with reduced weight, a more powerful engine and improved vehicle dynamics.

Extensive use of carbon composite means the car weighs less than 1200 kg. The use of the latest 2.5 litre flat four ***8216;boxer' engine producing over 400 bhp and 600 Nm of torque, combined with a six speed semi-automatic gearbox, WRC-derived launch control and turbo anti-lag, means the P25 will reach 100kph from rest in under 3.5 seconds.

Weight has been removed from the chassis by manufacturing the boot, bonnet, roof, sills, door mirrors, front and rear quarters, WRC style rear wing and bumpers from carbon composite, while inside there are optional lightweight race seats with carbon door cards and a lithium-ion battery.

The engine is based on Subaru's latest 2.5 litre cylinder block, but has been totally re-engineered by Prodrive's powertrain team with bespoke internal components, including new cylinder liners, pistons, con rods, and a valve train with variable cam timing. There is a Garrett motorsport turbo with a high performance intercooler and airbox and an Akrapovic titanium and stainless steel racing exhaust system.

The engine is mated to a six speed sequential gearbox with helical cut gears and semi-automatic shift via a paddle on the steering column, giving precise gear changes in 80 milliseconds. The car has a WRC-style launch control system, which combines the fly-by-wire throttle and clutch in the floor mounted pedal box to automatically take the car through first, second and third gear to achieve the optimal acceleration from standstill without any driver intervention.

Power is delivered to all four wheels via a drivetrain which features an adjustable active centre differential and limited-slip differentials front and rear. McPherson strut suspension has been retained, but with machined aluminium uprights which can be tuned for camber and geometry optimised for the wider track. The Bilstein dampers are adjustable for compression and rebound while the springs and anti-roll bars optimise the tarmac handling.

Stopping power is provided by AP Racing brakes with 380mm vented discs and six piston calipers at the front and 350mm vented discs and four piston calipers at the rear with floating bells and multiple pad options. Prodrive 8.5 x 19 rims are fitted with Bridgestone Potenza 235/35/19 tyres which are matched to the dampers.

The driver dashboard is a full width high-definition multi-page display including a data logger. For those wishing to take the car on track the driver can select from various throttle response and engine performance maps, including anti-lag adjustment. There is also a WRC style ***8216;fly-off' hydraulic handbrake, which automatically disengages the centre differential to remove drive to the rear wheels. This is in addition to the standard electric park brake.

While Prodrive's focus has been on the driving experience, the interior has also been upgraded, recreating an authentic late 1990s Impreza interior using a combination of leather, alcantara and carbon trim. The P25 can carry four passengers, but there is also the option to remove the rear seats and have a partial safety cage fitted.

Peter Stevens, who styled the original Impreza WRC in 1997, as well as subsequent Prodrive limited edition Subarus, has restyled a number of features of the P25. Peter has worked alongside the Prodrive engineering team, overseen by technical director, David Lapworth, who was responsible for developing the first Impreza WRC 25 years ago.

David Richards, Prodrive chairman, said: "The iconic blue Subarus bring back memories of an extraordinary era of the WRC and it was the Impreza 22B that brought this rally car performance to the road. By reimagining this car using the latest technologies and materials the Prodrive P25 pays homage to its roots and there will be little else able to match its performance on the open road. I therefore believe we have achieved our vision of creating our own modern interpretation of the most iconic Subaru Impreza ever."

The first P25 development car will make several runs up the hill at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, before embarking on an extensive test and development programme.

The 25 production cars will be built at Prodrive's headquarters in Banbury, UK with the first being delivered to customers later this year.

The P25 will be UK road registered and priced at £460,000 + VAT.


SPECIFICATION

Engine
2.5 litre 4 cylinder horizontally-opposed ***8216;boxer'
Variable cam timing
Garrett motorsport turbo with anti-lag
Akrapovic racing exhaust with active silencer by-pass
Power >400 bhp
Torque >600 Nm

Chassis & bodyshell
Subaru Impreza WRX steel monocoque
Carbon fibre: Bonnet, boot, front and rear quarters, roof, front & rear bumper
Impreza WRC rear wing

Transmission
4 wheel drive
Six speed X-shift sequential gearbox with helical gears
Semi-automatic paddle shift gear change
AP Racing twin plate clutch
Active and adjustable electronic centre differential
Plated limited slip differentials front and rear

Suspension
MacPherson strut front and rear
Bilstein two-way adjustable dampers
Upright adjustable for toe and camber
Changeable springs and anti-roll bars

Wheels & Brakes
AP Racing
front: 380 mm vented discs, six piston calipers
rear: 350 mm vented discs, four piston calipers
Bridgestone 8.5 x 19 rims
Bridgestone Potenza 235/35/R19 tyres

Interior
Motec widescreen high definition multi-page driver display
Data logging capability
Full electronic power management system
WRC style fly-off hydraulic handbrake
Optional lightweight racing seat
Optional partial safety cage
Lithium-ion lightweight battery
What "lastest" 2.5 engine is this one?? Is it still an EJ25, or a FB25?
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:11 PM   #57
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THE PRODRIVE P25 – A RECREATION OF THE ICONIC BLUE SUBARU IMPREZA

The Prodrive P25 will make its debut at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this Thursday 23 June.

It’s 25 years since Prodrive debuted the two door Impreza World Rally Car (WRC), which inspired the Subaru Impreza 22B. Only 424 of these special edition road cars were manufactured and over time it has achieved cult status as the ultimate turbo charged four wheel drive car of its era.

Now 25 years later using the latest technology and materials, Prodrive has reimagined what this car would have been today. Just 25 cars will be produced, each with an original two-door Impreza WRX chassis at its core. This is the very same chassis used in the first Impreza WRC, but now with reduced weight, a more powerful engine and improved vehicle dynamics.

Extensive use of carbon composite means the car weighs less than 1200 kg. The use of the latest 2.5 litre flat four ‘boxer’ engine producing over 400 bhp and 600 Nm of torque, combined with a six speed semi-automatic gearbox, WRC-derived launch control and turbo anti-lag, means the P25 will reach 100kph from rest in under 3.5 seconds.

Weight has been removed from the chassis by manufacturing the boot, bonnet, roof, sills, door mirrors, front and rear quarters, WRC style rear wing and bumpers from carbon composite, while inside there are optional lightweight race seats with carbon door cards and a lithium-ion battery.

The engine is based on Subaru’s latest 2.5 litre cylinder block, but has been totally re-engineered by Prodrive’s powertrain team with bespoke internal components, including new cylinder liners, pistons, con rods, and a valve train with variable cam timing. There is a Garrett motorsport turbo with a high performance intercooler and airbox and an Akrapovic titanium and stainless steel racing exhaust system.

The engine is mated to a six speed sequential gearbox with helical cut gears and semi-automatic shift via a paddle on the steering column, giving precise gear changes in 80 milliseconds. The car has a WRC-style launch control system, which combines the fly-by-wire throttle and clutch in the floor mounted pedal box to automatically take the car through first, second and third gear to achieve the optimal acceleration from standstill without any driver intervention.

Power is delivered to all four wheels via a drivetrain which features an adjustable active centre differential and limited-slip differentials front and rear. McPherson strut suspension has been retained, but with machined aluminium uprights which can be tuned for camber and geometry optimised for the wider track. The Bilstein dampers are adjustable for compression and rebound while the springs and anti-roll bars optimise the tarmac handling.

Stopping power is provided by AP Racing brakes with 380mm vented discs and six piston calipers at the front and 350mm vented discs and four piston calipers at the rear with floating bells and multiple pad options. Prodrive 8.5 x 19 rims are fitted with Bridgestone Potenza 235/35/19 tyres which are matched to the dampers.

The driver dashboard is a full width high-definition multi-page display including a data logger. For those wishing to take the car on track the driver can select from various throttle response and engine performance maps, including anti-lag adjustment. There is also a WRC style ‘fly-off’ hydraulic handbrake, which automatically disengages the centre differential to remove drive to the rear wheels. This is in addition to the standard electric park brake.

While Prodrive’s focus has been on the driving experience, the interior has also been upgraded, recreating an authentic late 1990s Impreza interior using a combination of leather, alcantara and carbon trim. The P25 can carry four passengers, but there is also the option to remove the rear seats and have a partial safety cage fitted.

Peter Stevens, who styled the original Impreza WRC in 1997, as well as subsequent Prodrive limited edition Subarus, has restyled a number of features of the P25. Peter has worked alongside the Prodrive engineering team, overseen by technical director, David Lapworth, who was responsible for developing the first Impreza WRC 25 years ago.

David Richards, Prodrive chairman, said: “The iconic blue Subarus bring back memories of an extraordinary era of the WRC and it was the Impreza 22B that brought this rally car performance to the road. By reimagining this car using the latest technologies and materials the Prodrive P25 pays homage to its roots and there will be little else able to match its performance on the open road. I therefore believe we have achieved our vision of creating our own modern interpretation of the most iconic Subaru Impreza ever.”

The first P25 development car will make several runs up the hill at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, before embarking on an extensive test and development programme.

The 25 production cars will be built at Prodrive’s headquarters in Banbury, UK with the first being delivered to customers later this year.

The P25 will be UK road registered and priced at £460,000 + VAT.


SPECIFICATION

Engine
2.5 litre 4 cylinder horizontally-opposed ‘boxer’
Variable cam timing
Garrett motorsport turbo with anti-lag
Akrapovic racing exhaust with active silencer by-pass
Power >400 bhp
Torque >600 Nm

Chassis & bodyshell
Subaru Impreza WRX steel monocoque
Carbon fibre: Bonnet, boot, front and rear quarters, roof, front & rear bumper
Impreza WRC rear wing

Transmission
4 wheel drive
Six speed X-shift sequential gearbox with helical gears
Semi-automatic paddle shift gear change
AP Racing twin plate clutch
Active and adjustable electronic centre differential
Plated limited slip differentials front and rear

Suspension
MacPherson strut front and rear
Bilstein two-way adjustable dampers
Upright adjustable for toe and camber
Changeable springs and anti-roll bars

Wheels & Brakes
AP Racing
front: 380 mm vented discs, six piston calipers
rear: 350 mm vented discs, four piston calipers
Bridgestone 8.5 x 19 rims
Bridgestone Potenza 235/35/R19 tyres

Interior
Motec widescreen high definition multi-page driver display
Data logging capability
Full electronic power management system
WRC style fly-off hydraulic handbrake
Optional lightweight racing seat
Optional partial safety cage
Lithium-ion lightweight battery
What "lastest" 2.5 engine is this one?? Is it still an EJ25, or a FB25?
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You wonder where they will find 25 rust-free chassis. I'd presume for a half a million there won't be rust. Or maybe that's part of how they get down to 1200kg?
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I would think it is an EJ.

Also, the 19" wheels are a bit much. 18" would look and perform better as long as they fit over those brakes.
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I would think it is an EJ.

Also, the 19" wheels are a bit much. 18" would look and perform better as long as they fit over those brakes.
Yeah. 18" would look stop on, it needs a little more tire wall (I can forgive them not being gold, but still...). And bare carbon side mirrors.

A couple of things I think would be more suited for a car of this price range:
  • hood vents different from a regular WRX
  • exterior fit and finish from a german car. That gap between headlights and front bumper is not acceptable.

https://i.imgur.com/AyNAzYJ.jpg

And.. A SINGLE EXHAUST TIP!!!!


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You wonder where they will find 25 rust-free chassis. I'd presume for a half a million there won't be rust. Or maybe that's part of how they get down to 1200kg?
You do understand thats only a rust-belt problem, right?

90's Japanese cars in the Southwest/West/Areas anywhere in the world that don't salt the roads, don't rust out like 70's Japanese cars do. My 93 when I bought it had 340,000 miles and zero rust for example. Plenty of coupe chasis around too for them to import and turn into these.
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19's. WHY. That looks awful. There is literally nothing good about going with a 19 on this.
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You do understand thats only a rust-belt problem, right?

90's Japanese cars in the Southwest/West/Areas anywhere in the world that don't salt the roads, don't rust out like 70's Japanese cars do. My 93 when I bought it had 340,000 miles and zero rust for example. Plenty of coupe chasis around too for them to import and turn into these.
Is the UK part of the rust belt? Seems like it would be. Maybe they found clean Southern US examples on BaT, won the auctions then imported them, converted to RHD. Explains half the price.

Dude I'm being cheeky
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That's a disappointing design choice overall. Not lusting after it in any way.
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This is a complete wasted opportunity. They had a chance to build a 'Singer' 22b. But they chose to just build the same rally car body they had built back in 1999-2001. I have not seen the interior so I will hold final judgement, but this car should have bespoke body panel and completely revised headlights/tailights. It should be a close approximation, but not just a cookie cutter looking car. I see them selling out, but this is B- effort.
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That's a disappointing design choice overall. Not lusting after it in any way.
I bet it's really the weird mirrors that bother you.
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Door mirrors: Awful.

19" wheels: Awful.

Dual-tip single-exit exhaust: Awful.

I mean, I've seen the 22b, and I love the 22b, so I'm not really sure what I was expecting.

Fortunately, as far as I can tell, all of those parts are swappable with standard Subaru parts and Prodrive put in the bulk of the work building the rest of the car.
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19" wheels probably needed for those HUGE brakes...

But so far, outside of the transmission, would be pretty easy to make a similar build for $50k including the carbon bits.
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19" wheels probably needed for those HUGE brakes...

But so far, outside of the transmission, would be pretty easy to make a similar build for $50k including the carbon bits.
Widening the track. Anti-lag. Full digital dash. Complete reworking of the engine. Suspension. AND pretty much all the exterior being carbon. All that for $50K?
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But which engine IS it?!!!??!
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But which engine IS it?!!!??!
It says Subaru's "latest 2.5".
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Yeah, we read that same statement, Sir. Is it the latest discontinued EJ25? What's the warranty on one of these bad boys?
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Widening the track. Anti-lag. Full digital dash. Complete reworking of the engine. Suspension. AND pretty much all the exterior being carbon. All that for $50K?
widen track = wider tires
anti lag = bolt on kits are available now
full digital dash = probably same one seen in rally cars. LCD maybe
reworking engine = $$ here, but nothing new probably, parts they already have
Suspension = please, bolt on
Carbon, yeah, this could be expensive, but probably off molds they have.

I could see this being done for around 50k.
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widen track = wider tires
anti lag = bolt on kits are available now
full digital dash = probably same one seen in rally cars. LCD maybe
reworking engine = $$ here, but nothing new probably, parts they already have
Suspension = please, bolt on
Carbon, yeah, this could be expensive, but probably off molds they have.

I could see this being done for around 50k.
Whos gonna design and machine the CNC aluminum uprights for you?
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Whos gonna design and machine the CNC aluminum uprights for you?
Any number of the places already making them.
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