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Old 02-07-2018, 11:59 AM   #1
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Default To save some trouble for phd12v - 2016+ harness thread "Is it out yet?"

I want one when it comes out. Waiting on this to order the rest of the setup.

So he can just update us here when its ready to go

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Old 02-07-2018, 01:08 PM   #2
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LOL........im waiting for it as well for my office to ship out. I was told it is shipping very soon, as of yesterday.

Let me see if i can get some preliminary documents on it

here is some info i rounded up:

ADS-RR(SR)-SU02-DS is the DS firmware (meaning needs a compatible radio)

Support Ebrake, VSS, Illum, reverse input for manual cars
Support SWI Command;
TPMS (If Equipped)
Door Status(Done through CAN for platform 3), CEL, DTCs;
Gauges;
OEM Settings and supported scan tool settings
Digital Amplifier (On AVCLAN)
Parking assist (OEM uses beeps to indicate distances, we mapped the beeps to a visual indication of the distance)
Rear Camera
Multi-function display (if equipped, With DUET), Metadata is available if the screen supports it originally.
Compass heading on cluster (with radios that provides heading)
Retain StarLink (To be confirmed yet)


these are the targeted hit list with the interface, just because it is listed above doesnt mean it will be ready on the first release of the firmware..... ( important message )

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Old 02-08-2018, 06:55 AM   #3
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This is pretty awesome. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
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Old 02-08-2018, 09:14 AM   #4
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well ive received a couple ****ty PM's about "its feb, where is it??" apparently either it isnt done yet (im not an engineer) or they arent ready for it yet......

I am in tech support and since i bought one of these vehicles, i spearheaded the development of the platform and pushed and pushed till i got my way.....

So in a weird sort of way i got it going earlier than it would have been, and for us to do the t harness takes a huge investment into it.... like huge.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:34 PM   #5
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Just want to verify, will this harness work with a 2017 Forester? I think from what I've read the wiring/stereo in the WRX is basically the same, but would like to confirm.

Also, assuming I can use this harness, what other parts do I need to successfully install a stereo in my 2017 Forester (retain steering wheel controls, reverse camera, and usb port)? I tried looking at the other thread, but unclear what this harness can replace in the previous parts lists.
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Old 02-13-2018, 01:31 AM   #6
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Just want to verify, will this harness work with a 2017 Forester? ...
Yes -- the wiring in 2017 Foresters is the same as analogous WRX/STi models (and varies slightly depending on OEM HU and features -- 6.2" vs. 7", non-nav vs. nav, presence of harman/kardon amp, and presence of STARLINK Safety Plus and Security Plus system).
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Also, assuming I can use this harness, what other parts do I need to successfully install a stereo in my 2017 Forester ...
I haven't see iDatalink's new harness, but my educated guess (based on phd12v's other posts and studying their previous HRN-RR-SU1 PnP harness for Subarus) is that the new one replaces these items:
  • 10- & 6-pin power/speaker harness (Metra 70-1761 or equivalent)
  • Metra AX-SUB28SWC (28-pin harness for aux retention, SWC wires, and several other signals; plus rear camera RCA for cars that had 6.2" HUs)
  • 5-pin rear camera retention harness (for cars that had 7" HUs)
  • 12V to 6V voltage converter
  • Harness to grab CAN bus from car's OBD-II socket

You'll still need:
  • iDatalink Maestro RR (steering wheel interface module)
  • Adapter to retain the factory USB socket (Metra AX-SUBUSB2)*
  • Toyota/Lexus antenna adapter (Metra 40-LX11 or equivalent)
  • Dash kit (Metra 95-8907HG, Scosche SU2031B, or American International SBK929GB)
*Subarus with 7" HUs have the dual-port USB. That contains a 2-port USB hub. Most name-brand aftermarket HUs are not compatible with a hub. Most Android-based HUs are. Just recently, calledman found that his Pioneer AVH-X8700BT did work with the car's 2-port hub, although he was able to use only one port at a time. For HUs that are not compatible, the solution is to either retrofit the OEM single-USB pod, or just run the new HU's USB cords to someplace accessible.

iDatalink's PnP harness will not let you retain the new-style (2016-up) harman/kardon amplifier with an aftermarket HU. That would require a new HU that somehow had the ability to send volume, balance, fade, and EQ control signals digitally to the h/k amp, or an external control panel that did that for you (rendering much of the new HU's controls and menus useless). Eventually somebody might develop some custom hardware and code for an Android HU to do that, but I don't expect that being widely used, and definitely don't foresee any HU manufacturer wanting to attempt it.

You might someday see a box that allows you to keep an OEM h/k HU and replace the (new style) h/k amp with an aftermarket amp. iDatalink and Metra have these DSP units, but for other makes. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to develop a version that works in Subarus. Subaru's sales numbers are just too small in comparison to GM, Toyota, Ford, and others for it to be worth companies' R&D time and expense.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:57 AM   #7
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Yes -- the wiring in 2017 Foresters is the same as analogous WRX/STi models (and varies slightly depending on OEM HU and features -- 6.2" vs. 7", non-nav vs. nav, presence of harman/kardon amp, and presence of STARLINK Safety Plus and Security Plus system).

I haven't see iDatalink's new harness, but my educated guess (based on phd12v's other posts and studying their previous HRN-RR-SU1 PnP harness for Subarus) is that the new one replaces these items:
  • 10- & 6-pin power/speaker harness (Metra 70-1761 or equivalent)
  • Metra AX-SUB28SWC (28-pin harness for aux retention, SWC wires, and several other signals; plus rear camera RCA for cars that had 6.2" HUs)
  • 5-pin rear camera retention harness (for cars that had 7" HUs)
  • 12V to 6V voltage converter
  • Harness to grab CAN bus from car's OBD-II socket

You'll still need:
  • iDatalink Maestro RR (steering wheel interface module)
  • Adapter to retain the factory USB socket (Metra AX-SUBUSB2)*
  • Toyota/Lexus antenna adapter (Metra 40-LX11 or equivalent)
  • Dash kit (Metra 95-8907HG, Scosche SU2031B, or American International SBK929GB)
*Subarus with 7" HUs have the dual-port USB. That contains a 2-port USB hub. Most name-brand aftermarket HUs are not compatible with a hub. Most Android-based HUs are. Just recently, calledman found that his Pioneer AVH-X8700BT did work with the car's 2-port hub, although he was able to use only one port at a time. For HUs that are not compatible, the solution is to either retrofit the OEM single-USB pod, or just run the new HU's USB cords to someplace accessible.

iDatalink's PnP harness will not let you retain the new-style (2016-up) harman/kardon amplifier with an aftermarket HU. That would require a new HU that somehow had the ability to send volume, balance, fade, and EQ control signals digitally to the h/k amp, or an external control panel that did that for you (rendering much of the new HU's controls and menus useless). Eventually somebody might develop some custom hardware and code for an Android HU to do that, but I don't expect that being widely used, and definitely don't foresee any HU manufacturer wanting to attempt it.

You might someday see a box that allows you to keep an OEM h/k HU and replace the (new style) h/k amp with an aftermarket amp. iDatalink and Metra have these DSP units, but for other makes. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to develop a version that works in Subarus. Subaru's sales numbers are just too small in comparison to GM, Toyota, Ford, and others for it to be worth companies' R&D time and expense.
your assessment is pretty much spot on.... the only thing that is maybe slightly off is the H/K integration, since maestro has partnered with other companies for settings and the such, we could in theory see something down the road for radio replacement and amp retention, i know when i was in engineering in december they had a whole H/K system setup on the bench and were testing it... it might not be a while till we see it though.

Oh another update i got about the harness is towards the end of the month they should appear in the warehouse. as soon as they hit the warehouse i will let others know. I have no control over shipping and the factory...im in support.
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Old 02-17-2018, 10:44 AM   #8
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Thanks for the information. I'm excited to try this with my 2017 Forester.
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Old 04-28-2018, 02:09 AM   #9
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So much for your plan to have phd12v post the announcement here, AWD_Pete

BTW, would you edit this thread's title -- he's phd12v, not pvh12v.

Product page link posted by phd12v in other threads:

http://maestro.idatalink.com/accessories/category/product_id/809/project/rr

Product page on Amazon: amazon.com/dp/B07C5BCC61
(currently OOS, so no vendors are listed, and not even a price).

A marketplace vendor there who briefly had some was Thunder Audio Video in Fountain Valley, CA, but they sold out.

[ADDED: Around 5/18, the Amazon link showed stock available from vendor Sound of Tri-State Inc, price $59.99 w/ free shipping (and a limited quantity available)]

Picture from Amazon:

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Info phd12v posted 4/18/2018 in Yeoj17's '2016 WRX aftermarket HU install' thread:
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SU2 t-harness is out finally, and info is on the site as well:

http://images.idatalink.com/corporate/Content/Manuals/RR-SUB/ADS-RR(SR)-SUB02B-DS-IG-EN_20180416.pdf

Page #155 for the WRX with 7 inch screen
Page #150 for the WRX with 6.2 and Harmon System

USE THIS FOR THE DEMO FLASH TO SEE THE PROCESS: http://maestro.idatalink.com/weblink/demo/demo-rr

THERES THE NEW GUIDE!!!!!! its live on the website as well as of today!!!
If you go through their flash demo, the "install guide" link that the site offers on the final screen is the same PDF file phd12v linked to above. I anticipate that eventually the demo will link to a newer version of that PDF whenever iDatalink makes revisions.

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Old 04-28-2018, 10:14 AM   #10
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Awesome, now trying to find a US shop/retailer that will ship to Canada... because the local shops are clueless as **** around here.

Amazon.com is no go yet, hopefully Crutchfield will get them soon
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Has anyone found a shop online that sells the SU2 yet?
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Old 04-28-2018, 03:32 PM   #12
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Awesome, now trying to find a US shop/retailer that will ship to Canada... because the local shops are clueless as **** around here.
...
Since they're coming from Canada, I'd think that some vendor in Canada should have them soon. That should save you on the shipping (and taxes/duties, too?).

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Has anyone found a shop online that sells the SU2 yet?
I added a link to Amazon's product page to my previous post. They're now OOS, so it's not listing any vendors.

Over in the 2018 WRX install thread, SudistikPearlWrx posted:
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Finally found it on amazon too. Bought the last one. He said he got 6 and sold them all in mins.

ThunderAV
714-546-4267
But there's little point in calling them, since they're sold out.

Vendors should show up under that Amazon listing once they have stock available.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:31 AM   #13
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i honestly forgot about this post.... my apologies
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I'm confused. Is there a difference between the 2018 WRX setups and 2018 STI setups? The SU2 page says it supports two out of three WRX setups but not anything in the 2018 STI.
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I'm confused. Is there a difference between the 2018 WRX setups and 2018 STI setups? The SU2 page says it supports two out of three WRX setups but not anything in the 2018 STI.
the 18 sti is 75% working correctly.....some little changes were made and need to be updated.

i have an 18 sti with the su2 harness in it
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If anyone has an online source somewhere for that #@$?%&@$?% harness please share...

I've called a bunch of audio shops around here and the only one that bothered to call a distributor(after showing him the idatalink website) instead of telling me "my system says it does not exist" said the distributor did not know what he was talking about.
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If anyone has an online source somewhere for that #@$?%&@$?% harness please share...

I've called a bunch of audio shops around here and the only one that bothered to call a distributor(after showing him the idatalink website) instead of telling me "my system says it does not exist" said the distributor did not know what he was talking about.
just go beat on my office door.....its in montreal.......
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just go beat on my office door.....its in montreal.......
Dont make me drive down... it's a short drive from Gatineau

rthibert has been useless today... Short version was "you are not a dealer, go away". I'll see if I get replies from someone else at some point, emailed another distributor that has them listed, see if they can point me toward a shop that ordered some.

So weird that getting something actually "local" can be so hard.

Edit: Success! some Ontario distributor had some and a shop in Ottawa is getting me one for next week... Finally

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Help!

Got the harness, got the RR' wired everything in with my JVC-740BT, used the SU2-SI firmware(is this ok? or I should use the 2017 WRX? 2018 base WRX is not on website yet despite your comments here), now I get 2 red flashes on the RR and the switched 12V output on the RR is not working so the radio does not power up.

I'm guessing it's a firmware issue?

Thanks a million
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ADS-RR(SR)-SU02-DS is the DS firmware
After screwing around for a while, I found the right firmware, under a 2017 Subaru something, dont remember...

Everything works!!!! Finally!!!
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SR is for use with t harnesses......... SI was for without T harness

The reason the 18 isnt on there yet is because they are waiting for my vehicle to arrive so we can upate the firmware with the new 18 coding as well as the TPMS change in can.
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SR is for use with t harnesses......... SI was for without T harness

The reason the 18 isnt on there yet is because they are waiting for my vehicle to arrive so we can upate the firmware with the new 18 coding as well as the TPMS change in can.
No TPMS on my WRX... so...

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I just had it installed in my 2018 limited wrx, no gauges, tpms a couple other features as well.
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I just had it installed in my 2018 limited wrx, no gauges, tpms a couple other features as well.
you have to go to the starlink unit, for the CAN wires not at the obd2 plug on the 18..... and tpms wont work but gauges and vehicle info will

as i posted here: https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2873882
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Sweet. Thank you for the reply. Any idea where you go for the K-line wire?

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