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Old 12-18-2018, 10:56 AM   #26
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Got the oil cooler installed. Had to be one of the worst installs for me with a Perrin Product. Maybe I'm just rusty wrenching on ***** that isn't on an engine stand.

I'm a little concerned about the distance (or lack of) of the lines to the header even though they are Aeroquip hoses and wrapped with Pyroshield.



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Old 12-18-2018, 11:01 AM   #27
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As it sits now the motor is in the car for the purpose of fitting the oil cooler.

I decided there's no better time than to now to rotate the turbo so.... I ordered a BW EFR 7670 kit from Full Race. Nothing fancy, single scroll, but moving up to the 7670, or B2 frame, will allow me to upgrade to an 8374 or larger one day if I feel the need. Plus all the fab work will be done.

I'm hoping there's not much fab work involved. I ordered an assortment of piping and air filters to have on hand, and, I think my compressor out to IC pipe will work if I just shorten it up a little.
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Old 12-18-2018, 01:36 PM   #28
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As it sits now the motor is in the car for the purpose of fitting the oil cooler.

I decided there's no better time than to now to rotate the turbo so.... I ordered a BW EFR 7670 kit from Full Race. Nothing fancy, single scroll, but moving up to the 7670, or B2 frame, will allow me to upgrade to an 8374 or larger one day if I feel the need. Plus all the fab work will be done.

I'm hoping there's not much fab work involved. I ordered an assortment of piping and air filters to have on hand, and, I think my compressor out to IC pipe will work if I just shorten it up a little.
You had the same idea I had but you went with a much more efficient setup. Those EFR turbos are insane in terms of spool and power. Should be a hell of a setup once you get it all together.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:25 PM   #29
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You had the same idea I had but you went with a much more efficient setup. Those EFR turbos are insane in terms of spool and power. Should be a hell of a setup once you get it all together.
I seriously considered doing some heavy reading on the 3076 but every time I started I just felt that I'd be in the same place as if I just stuck with my 7163 stock location turbo. Then, the only place up from there is 35, and, you start to get serious lag issues going that direction.

I could have rotated the 7163 - and I would have if it didn't lead to a dead end. But, 1350.00 for rotated up/down pipes only to be stuck at the B1 frame 7163 made that a no deal. The 7670 is NOT leaps and bounds ahead of the 7163, but it allows me to get on the B2 frame rotated parts so ..... years down the road if I want to go stupid big I can do so.

I've had a Cobb 20g, FP Green, and EFR 7163. The Green actually made more power and spooled 100 rpms sooner on my setup (on a 4th gear pull) but there is hands down no disputing the 'fun factor' the EFR has brought to the car. The torque and how it stays in the 'zone' is unreal. When you read people say graphs can't show it - believe them.


A side from me being pretty stoked.... let's just say there's a young lady in my life who will soon be even more lucky than she already is. She's getting my forged piston motor, and now my EFR 7163 kit. As soon as she finds a car to put it in...

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Old 12-18-2018, 08:28 PM   #30
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I seriously considered doing some heavy reading on the 3076 but every time I started I just felt that I'd be in the same place as if I just stuck with my 7163 stock location turbo. Then, the only place up from there is 35, and, you start to get serious lag issues going that direction.

I could have rotated the 7163 - and I would have if it didn't lead to a dead end. But, 1350.00 for rotated up/down pipes only to be stuck at the B1 frame 7163 made that a no deal. The 7670 is leaps and bounds ahead of the 7163, but it allows me to get on the B2 frame rotated parts so ..... years down the road if I want to stupid big I can do so.

I've had a Cobb 20g, FP Green, and EFR 7163. The Green actually made more power and spooled 100 rpms sooner on my setup (on a 4th gear pull) but there is hands down no disputing the 'fun factor' the EFR has brought to the car. The torque and how it stays in the 'zone' is unreal. When you read people say graphs can't show it - believe them.


A side from me being pretty stoked.... let's just say there's a young lady in my life who will soon be even more lucky than she already is. She's getting my forged piston motor, and now my EFR 7163 kit. As soon as she finds a car to put it in...


I was talking to the owner of Kinetic up here in New England said he wasn't really impressed with forced performance turbos I was interested in maybe running one on my car but he said he's run into alot of issues with them.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:30 PM   #31
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I was talking to the owner of Kinetic up here in New England said he wasn't really impressed with forced performance turbos I was interested in maybe running one on my car but he said he's run into alot of issues with them.
I had great success with my Green. I know JR and that crowd love them as well. I also know of some like you mention who aren't fans. All i can speak on is what I've tried.... wish I could try more
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:35 PM   #32
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I had great success with my Green. I know Junior and that crowd love them as well. I also know of some like you mention who aren't fans. All i can speak on is what I've tried.... wish I could try more


With my ported vf48 20g the tuner is saying he can get around 360ish wheel and it starts spoiling around 2500-3000 which is nice but my engine is built to handle way more so I want to upgrade in the future was leaning towards ATP cause they use garrett center sections I believe and are stock location.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:52 AM   #33
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My tuner is always throwing the Blouch name my way if that makes any difference for you. ? .
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Old 12-19-2018, 02:02 AM   #34
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My tuner is always throwing the Blouch name my way if that makes any difference for you. ? .


OH yeah blouch is really good too
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Old 12-19-2018, 02:05 AM   #35
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OH yeah blouch is really good too
I've read a lot of great things about their customer service too. I should of bought the 1.5 instead of the Cobb 20g, but.... Anyways.
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Old 01-16-2019, 03:08 AM   #36
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So, after the company who was going to sell me my rotated kit lied through their teeth to me I told them to pound sand and went searching for a kit.

Some how after all of the hours of reading I've done I didn't ever come across the fact Perrin has a rotated kit for the EFR B2 framed turbos. I found out yesterday, and today I drove out to their headquarters and picked one up. So in a way I'm happy that 'the other company' played their games.

Oh - news to me but it seems not some others. These EFR turbos can be had for a real good deal over on Amazon.

Finally back in motion. Here's what I got done tonight. I'll pull the motor this weekend and put it all together, elect. harness and all, and drop her in.

Have a couple other little things I'll be waiting on but nothing that will hold me up like this last minute decision to go rotated and upsize the turbo.





The black silicone tubing is just mock up. I have aluminum piping I'm taking to the welder this weekend. Then, I'll paint it white to match the rest.
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:36 AM   #37
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Making a lot of progress. About to buy some coolant and oil and break this thing in.

Have some cosmetic things left to do, and some hose routing/hookup but.... that's about it. It's all things that have been routed before so I don't expect any more surprises in the fab department.

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Looking good man, cant wait to see the bay all cleaned up
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:16 PM   #39
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Looking good man, cant wait to see the bay all cleaned up
Thanks. Pretty happy with it so far. It's a tight fit and I had to shave down the actuator lock ring a hit, but I think it will work.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:52 AM   #40
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Tonight we got the fluids in and ensured there is good oil pressure. Have a couple things to button up in the morning and then we'll be doing the cam break in and 50 mile drive.

Waiting on final painting until my fully shaved manifold shows up from S&S. The one on the car now was going to be 'the one' but I got sick of grinding on metal, sick of painting, and decided I'd rather spend time getting this thing on the road.

I'll do the final paint job on the manifold and turbo intake tube when all the parts are here.

On a side note- did you know you can get 24 quart BAGS of oil from Nappa? It's dirt cheap too. I was kind of pissed when I found out they gave me oil in bag, but once I found a place for it and cracked it open it works pretty well. Especially for break-in since I'll be going through 7 quarts at a time.





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I'm going to have to remember that NAPA oil tip. Underhood looks very good.
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I'm going to have to remember that NAPA oil tip. Underhood looks very good.
Ya... 52.00 for 24 quarts in one giant bag. lol. I bought two, don't know what I was thinking.

I think I will be using the vr1 Valvoline 10w30 or 20w50 - not sure which one yet.
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I ran Motul Break in on my built motor
My builder said any 10w30 - so Nappa is just Valvoline and I added some break in additive.

I wish Motul was a bit cheaper. After the KB oil pan and Perrin oil cooler I have to dump 7.25 qts in this thing. That's 1.25 more than a 6.0 liter Chevy! Lol
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:45 PM   #45
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I think I paid like $60 for 5qts and an OEM Subaru filter from my tuner
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:55 PM   #46
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Have about 250 miles on her. So far so good. Just started giving short bursts of 20 psi, rev limiter is set to 5500.

Sounds mean. I like what cams do for a motor.
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This build is rad PDX, very clean. Curious to see how you end up liking the 7670 over the 7163 and how it performs in comparison. What clutch are you using? Got a link to the Perrin rotated B2 kit? Can't seem to find it
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Thx. I just hit 500 miles and will be doing the oil change tomorrow, and upping the Rev limit to 6000.

I am using the act extreme duty pp, full face disk, and prolight flywheel.. The flywheel has been challenging in many ways. I think I finally have it dialed for take offs, and idle.

Call Perrin direct and ask for it. I searched day after day for full race alternatives and only accidentally found the Perrin kit deep into a Google image search. It's not advertised but they have it.
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Thx. I just hit 500 miles and will be doing the oil change tomorrow, and upping the Rev limit to 6000.

I am using the act extreme duty pp, full face disk, and prolight flywheel.. The flywheel has been challenging in many ways. I think I finally have it dialed for take offs, and idle.

Call Perrin direct and ask for it. I searched day after day for full race alternatives and only accidentally found the Perrin kit deep into a Google image search. It's not advertised but they have it.
What will your final rev limit be? 7500?

I have the same clutch setup, but stock flywheel. I steered clear of the lightweight but am curious to know how it'd feel. You think this will hold up to the 7670?

Thanks for the info. Do you know the years they make the kits for? Thinking about something like this in my GD. If they don't make a kit, I did find this on their website: https://www.perrin.com/shop/turbos-s...ated-efr-turbo
It'd just be a matter of making the intercooler pipes fit and having a downpipes made. Not bad
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Their kit is made to work with their fmic and piping. I didn't use a ton of it because I'm flipped manifold. I also didnt like they're 3.5-3" intake reducer so i made my own intake pipe. They were nice enough to let me take out the air intake. Perrin is tops in a lot of ways.

The kit has a downpipe that adjusts in length so it fits at least two different chassis, maybe more. I can never keep chassis letters straight. Lol.

Rev limit will be 7600, but, I'll aim to shift at 7500,... Maybe less in 4th gear.

I'm not sure what you were asking would hold up- the clutch or the motor. The clutch, yes. The motor.... Easy. Its spec whp is 750.
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