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Old 07-18-2020, 12:57 PM   #26
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Is there any actual info anywhere about these magical "BIG GOLD" brembos, besides just saying that they are BIG and also GOLD? Are there any "SMALL GOLD" brembos? What about "BIG RED" or "MEDIUM BLUE"?
No such thing as small gold, Big or small blue, Big or small red.
The closest thing is the red or black standard 4-pots that come on the WRX/STi.

As for Big Gold, take a look at the 2004 / 2005 STi Big Gold Brembos. That is what I am talking about. They are physically larger, they use larger pads and larger rotors.

Having had both types, using the same brand pads, there is significant braking performance between the two.
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No such thing as small gold, Big or small blue, Big or small red.
The closest thing is the red or black standard 4-pots that come on the WRX/STi.

As for Big Gold, take a look at the 2004 / 2005 STi Big Gold Brembos. That is what I am talking about. They are physically larger, they use larger pads and larger rotors.

Having had both types, using the same brand pads, there is significant braking performance between the two.
Are there like...measurements anywhere? Even side by side pictures? Not doubting you, just never heard of 04-05 brembos being different before.
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Interesting, as I've never heard of a "bigger" Brembo oem caliper for the 04/05 over others. I'm also only aware of two different sized front rotors for the 02-07 gd chassis as well. The brembo version front rotor is larger diameter and thicker (heavier :\ ). Guess I need to do some more research, especially since I am trying to see if Brembos fit under my jdm wrx wheels. If there are two different size Brembos for the 04-07, that changes things up a bit. I helped a friend install a set of Brembos on his 07 wrx a while back and they were indeed massive, but unsure which year model they came from.

I do think it's good the OP is sharing his find, and powerstop rebuilds seem solid to me, BUT the OP should have stayed out of Jack's thread with that childish nonsense. Now you expect Jack to keep his mouth shut? You owe him an apology in my opinion, and/or at least go to his sale thread and edit out that rude post.

I'd rock a set of their Brembo rebuilds with no hesitation, they seem to have their isth together in my opinion.

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Old 07-18-2020, 05:16 PM   #31
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The big gold brembos are much larger than the standard 4-pot brembos.
Pads are proportionately bigger.
Rotors are 325MM x 30mm.

This link describes them but don't ask me why they are blue because I have no idea.
https://www.fastwrx.com/pages/sti-br....7%22%20rotors.
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100mm pcd and 114.3mm pcd GD Impreza STI's 2001 up to and inc 2007 had gold Brembo's - all the same.
The 2007 GD Impreza STI spec D (D for discrete) also had the big Brembo's, but they were painted black.

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Interesting, as I've never heard of a "bigger" Brembo oem caliper for the 04/05 over others. I'm also only aware of two different sized front rotors for the 02-07 gd chassis as well. The brembo version front rotor is larger diameter and thicker (heavier :\ ). Guess I need to do some more research, especially since I am trying to see if Brembos fit under my jdm wrx wheels. If there are two different size Brembos for the 04-07, that changes things up a bit. I helped a friend install a set of Brembos on his 07 wrx a while back and they were indeed massive, but unsure which year model they came from.

I do think it's good the OP is sharing his find, and powerstop rebuilds seem solid to me, BUT the OP should have stayed out of Jack's thread with that childish nonsense. Now you expect Jack to keep his mouth shut? You owe him an apology in my opinion, and/or at least go to his sale thread and edit out that rude post.

I'd rock a set of their Brembo rebuilds with no hesitation, they seem to have their isth together in my opinion.
100mm pcd with Brembo's you'll need these:

https://www.md-jdmmotors.com/product...x100-17x7-553/
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100mm pcd with Brembo's you'll need these:

https://www.md-jdmmotors.com/product...x100-17x7-553/
I've seen those and they look alright, but I have these which have a +55 so even less clearance and the outer spoke end seems to curve in sooner: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RAYS-JDM-Fo...e/293622864825

I tried installing my friend's 04 sti bbs wheels on my 95 with kyb struts, and believe the rear wheel was on the strut, can't remember exactly but something wasn't compatible in the rear. Those were 17x7.5 5x100, can't remember if they were 53 or 55 offset.

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100mm pcd and 114.3mm pcd GD Impreza STI's 2001 up to and inc 2007 had gold Brembo's - all the same.
Damn! You right. I just looked up the p/ns.

I was always told that the big goldies were only available on 2004 STi / 2005 STi and then in 2006 Subaru went back to the standard sized Brembos. I got that from more than one Subie shop and Vendors.
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I tried installing my friend's 04 sti bbs wheels on my 95 with kyb struts, and believe the rear wheel was on the strut, can't remember exactly but something wasn't compatible in the rear. Those were 17x7.5 5x100, can't remember if they were 53 or 55 offset.
Those wheels were/are a 17x7.5 +53mm spec.
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I was always told that the big goldies were only available on 2004 STi / 2005 STi and then in 2006 Subaru went back to the standard sized Brembos. I got that from more than one Subie shop and Vendors.
Uhhhh... no. What Subie shops or Vendors told you that? And regardless of what you were supposedly told, have you never looked at any '04-17 STIs and noticed they all ran the same 4-piston Brembos in different colors?
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I've seen those and they look alright, but I have these which have a +55 so even less clearance and the outer spoke end seems to curve in sooner: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RAYS-JDM-Fo...e/293622864825

I tried installing my friend's 04 sti bbs wheels on my 95 with kyb struts, and believe the rear wheel was on the strut, can't remember exactly but something wasn't compatible in the rear. Those were 17x7.5 5x100, can't remember if they were 53 or 55 offset.
Was the tyre 225/45? Instead of your 215/45mm?

If you're lucky, some 225's can clear the strut and no arch work, with compliant springs - sadly, tyres rarely measure their indicated width.

225/45 x 17, same springs as you.


I'd stick with 215/45. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or 4S are nice, in that size.

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Was the tyre 225/45? Instead of your 215/45mm?

If you're lucky, some 225's can clear the strut and no arch work, with compliant springs - sadly, tyres rarely measure their indicated width.

225/45 x 17, same springs as you.


I'd stick with 215/45. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or 4S are nice, in that size.
I have the pilot sport 4 (nice tires) on my 07 impreza 2.5i with the 07 wrx TR wheels which are 17x7. The oem tire size for their 17x7 wheels is 215/45. Wouldn't using that same size tire on a .5" wider wheel stretch them and affect contact patch? I do believe my friend's tires were stock size for his Sti BBS wheels, which is a little more beefy than what 17x7 wheels come with. Unfortunately he doesn't have the car anymore and no one locally has a set of the wheels. I also run the red 4pot/2pot brakes which clear almost everything, on my 95.

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No such thing as small gold, Big or small blue, Big or small red.
The closest thing is the red or black standard 4-pots that come on the WRX/STi.

As for Big Gold, take a look at the 2004 / 2005 STi Big Gold Brembos. That is what I am talking about. They are physically larger, they use larger pads and larger rotors.

Having had both types, using the same brand pads, there is significant braking performance between the two.
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The big gold brembos are much larger than the standard 4-pot brembos.
Pads are proportionately bigger.
Rotors are 325MM x 30mm.

This link describes them but don't ask me why they are blue because I have no idea.
https://www.fastwrx.com/pages/sti-br....7%22%20rotors.
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100mm pcd and 114.3mm pcd GD Impreza STI's 2001 up to and inc 2007 had gold Brembo's - all the same.
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Damn! You right. I just looked up the p/ns.

I was always told that the big goldies were only available on 2004 STi / 2005 STi and then in 2006 Subaru went back to the standard sized Brembos. I got that from more than one Subie shop and Vendors.
Very interesting.

So what did you compare side by side with the Brembo Golds to show they are larger, as well as the pads and rotors??
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Uhhhh... no. What Subie shops or Vendors told you that? And regardless of what you were supposedly told, have you never looked at any '04-17 STIs and noticed they all ran the same 4-piston Brembos in different colors?
That was years ago so I can't remember who specifically. That was the story I was told at the time when considering upgrading from the standard 4-pots to something larger.

Options were to go to some manufacturer of BBKs, ie; Stop Tech, Racing Brake, etc. I didn't even think I could get the big gold brembos on the car at the time. That's when I found out that was the typical upgrade path and they were a straight bolt on.


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Very interesting.

So what did you compare side by side with the Brembo Golds to show they are larger, as well as the pads and rotors??
I used to have the standard 4-pot upgrade on the car previously. Just wasn't enough braking power for what I wanted.

You can easily tell the difference in size just by looking at the two. Not only that, but when you go looking at specs for rotors, pads, etc., you can also see the difference in the measurements between the two types of parts, ie: going from a 290mm x 25mm rotor to a 325mm x 30mm rotor.
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That was years ago so I can't remember who specifically. That was the story I was told at the time when considering upgrading from the standard 4-pots to something larger.

Options were to go to some manufacturer of BBKs, ie; Stop Tech, Racing Brake, etc. I didn't even think I could get the big gold brembos on the car at the time. That's when I found out that was the typical upgrade path and they were a straight bolt on.


And no, I don't go around looking at everyone's brakes. I have better things to do with my time.
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I used to have the standard 4-pot upgrade on the car previously. Just wasn't enough braking power for what I wanted.

You can easily tell the difference in size just by looking at the two. Not only that, but when you go looking at specs for rotors, pads, etc., you can also see the difference in the measurements between the two types of parts, ie: going from a 290mm x 25mm rotor to a 325mm x 30mm rotor.

Yeah the people you contacted must have confused the iron 4pots as sti Brembo and fed you incorrect info. We all have memory glitches sometimes, sucks when you're trying to help and you give the wrong info. I do it every now and then and try and hurry with the ninja edits.

The sti front and rear rotors are also heavier because of the increase in size, I wonder if the front caliper being aluminum makes up for it. I noticed my friend's front calipers were lighter than my iron 4pots, even with the size increase. The rear 2pots are already aluminum and super light, but with smaller rotors.

Yeah the actual Brembo calipers are HUGE. Noticed that when helping my friend install his. He got the front and rear rotors and bought the expensive rear rotors to keep his 170mm shoes. I'm contacting some relining companies to see if I can get the 170mm type shoes relined for the 190mm ID rear drums. It's ridiculous and shameful certain companies fleece us by charging $200 for modded pads and much more for special rear rotors...when we can buy oem spec rear rotors for super cheap. I already have the 06/7 backing plates and I'll be damned if I'm getting messed over for somethng so simple.
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Yeah the people you contacted must have confused the iron 4pots as sti Brembo and fed you incorrect info.
Must have been the issue. That would also make sense since that was around the time when Subaru went from the sliding caliper to the standard 4-pots on the WRX.

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The sti front and rear rotors are also heavier because of the increase in size, I wonder if the front caliper being aluminum makes up for it?
What I can say for sure is that the front big gold brembos weight ~ 16lbs for the pair.

The DBA 4000 series T3 STi rotors I have that fit for those big gold brembos weigh ~ 45lbs for the pair.

Add an additional ~ 5lbs for the Hawk HPS 5.0 brake pad set.

So, that's 33 lbs per side, front.

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When I switched mine out, I roughly compared them side by side, but didn't actually weigh anything.

Even the 2 piece DBA T3 Brembo rotors are significantly heavier than the full steel WRX sized rotor, but the front Brembo caliper is much lighter than the Steel 4 pot caliper. I didn't compare against sliders. I got the impression that the Brembo setup was probably a little heavier total.

The FHI 2 pot rears are the way to go for a WRX though. More rear bias than the Brembo, and no worry about special rotors or shoes to make the parking brake work. The calipers are aluminum and featherweights, so I feel good about going with those.

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just so I can get on the same page, the 'standard 4 pot' and 'FHI 2 pot rears' everyone keeps referring to are the same brakes offered on the 06-07 WRX models?
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And what the OP posted are not the 4 pot / 2 pot brakes, but the STI Brembos that are rebuilt?

There was some confusion here so I just wanted to clear things up.
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Yes. To further clarify, 04-17 STI have interchangeable front Brembo calipers. 04-07 are gold, 08-17 are black. The red Powerstops could be built from any of those cores.

But the rears posted in the OP are 08+ only. So far I have not found a P/N for the rear powerstop brembo from the 04-07 STI that would work for the 93-07s. When I personally installed my powerstop front Brembos, I used the FHI/06-07 WRX rear 2-pot.
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Yeah I was tracking all of that until I came upon this thread.

If I ever decide to upgrade my brakes, I'm going with your route. And it would be a nice to have, not a need to have so obviously on the bottom of the mods list.
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