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Old 12-06-2018, 12:28 AM   #76
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So, I'll ask again. Do y'all really think this car will do the trick? Something's got to be wrong. Is it "too sporty"?Not comfortable enough? Is it the design language? Many here think it looks great. I've heard "homerun" type comments on the design. Even with the Impreza's 18% drop last month, it still sells better than the 3. Heck, the Ascent has only been sold since June and has already outsold the CX-9 YTD. Maybe this "homerun" isn't so? What is wrong? Why don't they sell better?
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So, I'll ask again. Do y'all really think this car will do the trick? Something's got to be wrong. Is it "too sporty"?Not comfortable enough? Is it the design language? Many here think it looks great. I've heard "homerun" type comments on the design. Even with the Impreza's 18% drop last month, it still sells better than the 3. Heck, the Ascent has only been sold since June and has already outsold the CX-9 YTD. Maybe this "homerun" isn't so? What is wrong? Why don't they sell better?
Why do you worry about Mazda in North America?
You should worry about Subaru getting kicked out of the E.U. unless they get their engine program together... and fast.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:12 PM   #78
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Why do you worry about Mazda in North America?
You should worry about Subaru getting kicked out of the E.U. unless they get their engine program together... and fast.
Would that not be another thread? This one is about a Mazda. So...I asked a Mazda question....


....and didn't get any sort of answer.
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Old 12-07-2018, 12:47 AM   #79
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Would that not be another thread? This one is about a Mazda. So...I asked a Mazda question....


....and didn't get any sort of answer.
You brought up Subaru's USDM sales performance in comparison to Mazda and you even asked if Mazda would exit the USDM market because of their seemingly lackluster sales.
So, again, my answer is the following: if Subaru can hang on to the HIGHLY price competitive and sensitive Euro market selling less than 40K vehicles a year (barely), I would hazard a guess and predict that Mazda should be able to stay in here selling 400K vehicles.
People buy CUV/SUV, right? And it looks like CX-5 is holding its own in the market place; at, least at the moment.
Now, yes, sure, Mazda sales numbers in the USDM are disappointing.
But, at the moment, if I were to purchase a new vehicle for my little family, and my only 2 choices were Mazda and Subaru, I'd pick Mazda.
If my 2 choices were only FB20-powered Impreza and 2.5L Skyactive Mazda3, I'd pick Mazda3 with 5-doors. Poor visibility be darned .
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:09 AM   #80
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I wonder how many people have been turned off of the Subaru brand after dealing with the early FB engines. Last time I was at the dealer for my oil burning, another middle age woman asked if I was in there for the oil burning engine. She was not happy.

Probably not enough to make a difference, but I am one. Eventually, Subaru’s sales will flatline if they can’t develop new engines and hybrids that actually make a difference. Complacency will catch up to them.

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Old 12-07-2018, 09:28 AM   #81
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I wonder how many people have been turned off of the Subaru brand after dealing with the early FB engines. Last time I was at the dealer for my oil burning, another middle age woman asked if I was in there for the oil burning engine. She was not happy.

Probably not enough to make a difference, but I am one. Eventually, Subaru’s sales will flatline if they can’t develop new engines and hybrids that actually make a difference. Complacency will catch up to them.
if the EJ main bearings, head gaskets & oil consumption issues haven't turned people off, I doubt a bit of oil consumption in the FB will
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:42 AM   #82
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If my 2 choices were only FB20-powered Impreza and 2.5L Skyactive Mazda3, I'd pick Mazda3 with 5-doors. Poor visibility be darned .
So would I. The Impreza/Crosstrek engine is pathetic for the weight. The Mazda powertrain, which while still in grocery getter (not sporty grocery getter) territory, still delivers power well instead of constantly falling flat on its face.
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if the EJ main bearings, head gaskets & oil consumption issues haven't turned people off, I doubt a bit of oil consumption in the FB will
You left out ringlands.

And it did turn people off. Many of us grew tired of waiting on them or got tired of their bs and bought products from other manus. As Curly Bill would say, Well Bye!
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Old 12-08-2018, 12:41 AM   #84
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You brought up Subaru's USDM sales performance in comparison to Mazda and you even asked if Mazda would exit the USDM market because of their seemingly lackluster sales.
So, again, my answer is the following: if Subaru can hang on to the HIGHLY price competitive and sensitive Euro market selling less than 40K vehicles a year (barely), I would hazard a guess and predict that Mazda should be able to stay in here selling 400K vehicles.
People buy CUV/SUV, right? And it looks like CX-5 is holding its own in the market place; at, least at the moment.
Now, yes, sure, Mazda sales numbers in the USDM are disappointing.
But, at the moment, if I were to purchase a new vehicle for my little family, and my only 2 choices were Mazda and Subaru, I'd pick Mazda.
If my 2 choices were only FB20-powered Impreza and 2.5L Skyactive Mazda3, I'd pick Mazda3 with 5-doors. Poor visibility be darned .
Well, I'm not talking about other markets and reasons anyone stays or goes in those markets. My statement was just worded wrong. Will this new gen stuff from Mazda make a difference? Or will it continue to slide because it looks as if they'll barely make 300K(though it's an up % right now for them. But a dwindling one). Not 400K. And if they continue to slide....????

So, no opinion to my question of why they are sliding?
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Well, I'm not talking about other markets and reasons anyone stays or goes in those markets. My statement was just worded wrong. Will this new gen stuff from Mazda make a difference? Or will it continue to slide because it looks as if they'll barely make 300K(though it's an up % right now for them. But a dwindling one). Not 400K. And if they continue to slide....????

So, no opinion to my question of why they are sliding?
Why they are sliding? Who knows.
Maybe because Mazda tends to be on the firmer, busier, noisier side of things in terms of ride quality?
Also, the current Mazda3 is kind of smallish inside compared to the competition that has gotten bigger/larger (especially Civic); it's a similar situation for Mazda6 and CX-9 (although to a lesser extent than Mazda3).
Maybe pricing was also on the high side compared to the competition given the lack of a turbo 4 or a V6 for a midsizer like Mazda6 for instance.
That's the main reason why I passed on Mazda6 back in 2015; however, had there been a Mazda6 turbo back then, I might have purchased one.
Ultimately, I decided I wanted a RWD sedan with a V8 in front for about the same amount of money I was willing to spend on a top trim Mazd6 I4 or Accord V6... and that's how I ended up in a Dodge Charger :-)
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I recently got a job selling Mazdas.

I patiently waited to see the 2019 (mostly the hatchback) and after seeing it, I sold myself a 2018 Grand Touring. Traded the WRX for it. And the only things the WRX does better is a turbo and AWD. The Mazda is better in every other category including interior, steering and handling.

I really like the front end design of the 2019 and that's about it. The AWD was tempting but the torsion beam rear and hatchback design turned me off.

If I can get my hands on any info before the internet does I'll gladly share it.
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I recently got a job selling Mazdas.

I patiently waited to see the 2019 (mostly the hatchback) and after seeing it, I sold myself a 2018 Grand Touring. Traded the WRX for it. And the only things the WRX does better is a turbo and AWD. The Mazda is better in every other category including interior, steering and handling.
Having driven a 2017 WRX and a 2017 Mazda 3 . . . you must be a Mazda salesman to say that, lol.
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Nah, bruh. You gotta try the 2018 Grand Touring! Plus maybe he had a 2015 WRX?

Personally I've been bored of the Impreza Interior since maybe 2015 or so. Also it's not really fair to compare staggered releases of vehicles. Try a 2018 Subaru Impreza Limited/Sport vs 2018 Mazda3 GT. Then compare the 2019 Mazda3.

I mean, I guess all vehicles are released staggeredly compared to each other, but I just think it's obvious when a new gen is better than an old gen. New gen should always be improving.

It's like when people boo the STI for being "worse" than the Golf R or Focus RS. It should be worse because it's old as hell. The next STI should be "better" because it's newer. Then the next gen AWD econobox AWD performance car should be better than the STI, and so on and so forth.

Either buy what works for you now, wait to buy what you want, or buy what's been out that checks your boxes.
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That's dope. Congrats!

I wish Mazda and Subaru had a baby.
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Nice looking car, congrats!

Nice license plate too
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My wife has a 2015 2.5s Grand touring in the same color. I love it. It's a fantastic daily. Handles flatter than My MR2 or her Miata around corners, the adaptive cruise is great, it will go up steep hills at 1200 rpm with ease, the 14:1 compression, 185 HP power curve is more of a flat power table and is plenty peppy enough to have fun.
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Sure hope the AWD variant has multi link rear, still can’t understand why the FWD doesn’t. Well, realistically I know it’s about cost savings.

I hope there is a Mazdaspeed version on the horizon.
Mazdas are expected to drive with a finesse belying their mass-market price tags, to connect with motorists in a way rival vehicles simply don’t. After all, it is the zoom-zoom brand.

They absolutely hang their hat on offering products with engaging dynamics. So, why the hell does the all-new 2020 Mazda3, the Japanese automaker’s latest compact offering, feature a decidedly old-fashioned torsion-beam rear suspension instead of a more advanced multi-link arrangement? There are several important reasons, and one is quite surprising.



Kouta Beppu is the Mazda3 program manager. Speaking through a translator, he explained, “What we wanted out of this car is to keep the behavior as smooth in its transition as possible up until the limits of performance.” The reason for this, Beppu said, is because they desired to have the vehicle behave in a way that feels natural to the person driving it to make it seem intuitive.

“And we… saw that rather than having a multi-link, it was easier for us to have it with the torsion beam because there are less… variables with the torsion beam,” said Beppu. A suspension with fewer points of change should be easier for engineers to fine-tune, but it’s not the only reason to adopt a system like this.

SEE ALSO: 8 Design Secrets of the 2020 Mazda3

Compared to multi-link suspensions, torsion beams are often mechanically simpler, can be lighter and are typically easier to package. That last point, in particular, can pay some important dividends, particularly in the area cargo space. Torsion beams usually sit lower in a vehicle, something that often allows for more trunk room.

And this is also the case with the 2020 Mazda3. Beppu noted the new cargo hold is deeper and more accessible than before. He also said suitcases are easier to fit in there because of the space’s revised shape.



Obviously, the humble torsion beam has its share of important benefits, but it’s still surprising that Mazda engineers opted to go with a suspension arrangement that doesn’t provide the best-possible dynamics. “So, if you were… driving around a circuit, [at a] track day or whatever, and you’re going around a high-G corner, of course, multi-link, in that particular instance, will have its advantage,” said Beppu. “But, if you think about real daily driving, the vast majority of cases there’s no difference between the two in this area.”

The choice engineers have made seems like a curious step backwards for Mazda, a move in the wrong direction, though given their track record of delivering exceptionally engaging vehicles there’s probably little to worry about. We can’t wait to test the 2020 Mazda3 at some point next year, to see if it truly handles as well as Beppu says it does.


Craig Cole at Autoguide.com

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“So, if you were… driving around a circuit, [at a] track day or whatever, and you’re going around a high-G corner, of course, multi-link, in that particular instance, will have its advantage,” said Beppu. “But, if you think about real daily driving, the vast majority of cases there’s no difference between the two in this area.”

Basically the opposite of what everyone is saying above. FWIW, their argument about more cargo space is valid, but the rest is bull****. Fewer variables to tune means they will do a better job tuning it? GTFO.
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It's cost cutting and nothing else. The other excuse I saw was reduced NVH with a torsion beam but come on.
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The question is: if this wasn't called out, how many people would actually notice it? I'm willing to wait to drive one before passing judgement.
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My wife has a 2015 2.5s Grand touring in the same color. I love it. It's a fantastic daily. Handles flatter than My MR2 or her Miata around corners, the adaptive cruise is great, it will go up steep hills at 1200 rpm with ease, the 14:1 compression, 185 HP power curve is more of a flat power table and is plenty peppy enough to have fun.
+1 for another Mazda3 / Miata household. Mine is also a 2015 2.5s GT manual hatchback, but I wasn't able to get my hands on that navy color. Too bad! Great cars and they drive well for what they are. The WRX just didn't do it for me as an overall package this time around, even with the AWD and extra power. Lack of a hatch was certainly a big factor too. So we only have the Outback in our house at the moment

Tyler, congrats on the buy!

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+1 for another Mazda3 / Miata household. Mine is also a 2015 2.5s GT manual hatchback, but I wasn't able to get my hands on that navy color. Too bad! Great cars and they drive well for what they are. The WRX just didn't do it for me as an overall package this time around, even with the AWD and extra power. Lack of a hatch was certainly a big factor too. So we only have the Outback in our house at the moment



Tyler, congrats on the buy!





Damn, how much did that lift cost?
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