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Old 02-02-2013, 07:21 PM   #276
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This is what I heard through my sources. Even before it was released.
Hell I think Tada confirmed it post-facto.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:21 PM   #277
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I simply do it because the engine is close to the same displacement and they probably intentionally left the brz gimped so when they come out with a more powerful version it's more appealing and I hate that **** with a passion. The s2000 was IT until the CR which was a special edition and salute to the discontinuation. It had the same power just different other bits (as well as some cool options for no radio and AC.. oh how I wish more cars..). One trim level, one awesome package.

The wrx & sti make sense to me because they come from an econo box, but the ft-86 is specifically a sports car, and its either a weak one and will stay that way or they duped the 3k people who bought one for more funding to come out with the REAL sports car midway through the life.

I also didn't ever follow car hype of the s2000, so maybe I just didn't have an opportunity to get as butt-hurt watching as tons of hype was spewed from the devil marketers and then see the actual production and get disappointed.

I use the s2k because it's what I own, however you could throw any number of cars into there like I have before and see there are just more competitive cars out there, regardless of looks or actual layout.
Meh. I find that it's almost unfair to compare anything to the S2000, especially based purely on displacement. The S2000 was a one of a kind type of vehicle. Even now almost 15 years after it's launch you simply don't see cars coming out with engines pushing 120hp per liter NA. Especially not affordable cars from mainstream manufacturers, you have to get a Porsche or exotic to see anything like that. The entire purpose of the S2000 was to take racing technology to the street and apply it to a fun roadster; evidenced not only by the engine itself, but the X-frame, and even the race-inspired gauges and (at that time very uncommon) push button start.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:37 PM   #278
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Meh. I find that it's almost unfair to compare anything to the S2000, especially based purely on displacement. The S2000 was a one of a kind type of vehicle. Even now almost 15 years after it's launch you simply don't see cars coming out with engines pushing 120hp per liter NA. Especially not affordable cars from mainstream manufacturers, you have to get a Porsche or exotic to see anything like that. The entire purpose of the S2000 was to take racing technology to the street and apply it to a fun roadster; evidenced not only by the engine itself, but the X-frame, and even the race-inspired gauges and (at that time very uncommon) push button start.
when i bought the car in 2006. i was little annoyed by the push start. had to put the key in, turn it, and then hit the button and it is opposite side of the steering column of the shifter. but, as soon as i got into racing i found out quickly how useful that was. you could spin out, stall the car. but here is where it came in handy, you would put the clutch in, shift to R or 1 and pusher start at the same time. even the damn push button was race inspired.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:21 PM   #279
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when i bought the car in 2006. i was little annoyed by the push start. had to put the key in, turn it, and then hit the button and it is opposite side of the steering column of the shifter. but, as soon as i got into racing i found out quickly how useful that was. you could spin out, stall the car. but here is where it came in handy, you would put the clutch in, shift to R or 1 and pusher start at the same time. even the damn push button was race inspired.
The reason the 911 has always had the key on the left side of the steering wheel is because in Le Mans style racing, the drivers used to start outside the car with the engine off. Part of the race was to get into the car and start it, and having the ignition and shifter on opposite sides allowed the driver to start the car and put it in gear at the same time.
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The reason the 911 has always had the key on the left side of the steering wheel is because in Le Mans style racing, the drivers used to start outside the car with the engine off. Part of the race was to get into the car and start it, and having the ignition and shifter on opposite sides allowed the driver to start the car and put it in gear at the same time.
didn't know that. but i thought it was odd the first time i sat inside the s2000. first track lap and found out real hard what why it was the way it is.
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I simply do it because the engine is close to the same displacement and they probably intentionally left the brz gimped so when they come out with a more powerful version it's more appealing and I hate that **** with a passion. The s2000 was IT until the CR which was a special edition and salute to the discontinuation. It had the same power just different other bits (as well as some cool options for no radio and AC.. oh how I wish more cars..). One trim level, one awesome package.

The wrx & sti make sense to me because they come from an econo box, but the ft-86 is specifically a sports car, and its either a weak one and will stay that way or they duped the 3k people who bought one for more funding to come out with the REAL sports car midway through the life.

I also didn't ever follow car hype of the s2000, so maybe I just didn't have an opportunity to get as butt-hurt watching as tons of hype was spewed from the devil marketers and then see the actual production and get disappointed.

I use the s2k because it's what I own, however you could throw any number of cars into there like I have before and see there are just more competitive cars out there, regardless of looks or actual layout.
I understand your reasoning, but I would argue that the cars are two totally different style of cars(regardless of the media hype)with almost an $8000 difference in starting price aimed at two totally different demographics.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:37 AM   #282
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I understand your reasoning, but I would argue that the cars are two totally different style of cars(regardless of the media hype)with almost an $8000 difference in starting price aimed at two totally different demographics.
Or was the S2000 overpriced due to it being a rather affordable pseudo halo car?

IMHO, it's the engine is what makes the S2000 stand out above the 86, however they are quite similar in all other regards, espeically with the chassis.

One nice thing is that the 86 can do is do lessons learned from the S2000 and implement modern technology/processes in building in, bringing development and manufacturing costs down a bit.

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Old 02-04-2013, 08:24 AM   #283
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Or was the S2000 overpriced due to it being a rather affordable pseudo halo car?
That could have been, but they were producing a car with lots of race technology. It probably cost a lot to produce.

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IMHO, it's the engine is what makes the S2000 stand out above the 86, however they are quite similar in all other regards, espeically with the chassis.
I can see that about the engine. It was impressive. But I don't see the similarity from there except for the facts they both have 2 doors and F/R drivetrains.

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Old 02-04-2013, 10:39 AM   #284
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I understand your reasoning, but I would argue that the cars are two totally different style of cars(regardless of the media hype)with almost an $8000 difference in starting price aimed at two totally different demographics.
They are aimed at different demographics, but they are more similar than different once you get past the engine. We are lucky that someone finally came along and made a car that does a pretty good impersonation of an S2000 without trying to be a supercar. When I was shopping around for a new car, I tried to test drive an 8 year old S2000 and they wouldn't even let me in it without a $500 deposit. On the other hand, my Subaru dealer let me reserve a place in line for a BRZ without any deposit, then was in constant contact with me to let me know whenever they had to come check out, and eventually test drive one before it was even on sale.
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Here's a crazy thought:

With the news of the FRS going to topless, what if Subaru and Toyota are going to each offer versions to help diversify their individual brands of these twin cars?

Toyota going with a drop top as the second version.
Subaru going with a higher performance second version.

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Old 02-04-2013, 01:35 PM   #286
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That could have been, but they were producing a car with lots of race technology. It probably cost a lot to produce.
A lot of the little things likely had a noticeable effect too. Going with that digital instrument panel over an analog one likely cost a bit more, especially since it was only for the S2000 and wasn't produced in huge quantities.
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Here's a crazy thought:

With the news of the FRS going to topless, what if Subaru and Toyota are going to each offer versions to help diversify their individual brands of these twin cars?

Toyota going with a drop top as the second version.
Subaru going with a higher performance second version.

Toyota already confirmed a TRD version as well as my local dealer telling me a dealership installed super will be an option within the year (he showed me a pamphlet on it for the service department... I asked if I could take a pic he said no).
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They are aimed at different demographics, but they are more similar than different once you get past the engine.
Other than RWD and 2 doors, how is that. Coupe versus convertible, 4 seats versus 2, Both have Independent Suspensions, but are different designs. The BRZ is a larger car with a wheelbase of 101.2 as compared to the S 2000's 94.5. The S2000 came on really sticky tires for its day, the BRZ, not so much.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:27 PM   #289
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Toyota already confirmed a TRD version as well as my local dealer telling me a dealership installed super will be an option within the year (he showed me a pamphlet on it for the service department... I asked if I could take a pic he said no).
From what I can find, looks a lot like the STI offering. No Supercharger in the catalog so far.

http://www.trdparts.jp/86_performanc...rts_brake.html

I agree, they will probably offer a supercharger in the near future though.
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What I've heard is that they will be rebranding the Vortech SC kit. TRD USA doesn't make parts, they just rebrand other parts, charge a lot for it, and offer a warranty.
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$10k for TRD monobloc BBK is dumbfounding.
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What I've heard is that they will be rebranding the Vortech SC kit. TRD USA doesn't make parts, they just rebrand other parts, charge a lot for it, and offer a warranty.
But what kind of a warranty? It's been a while since I've followed up on that kind of stuff, but I remember a TRD supercharger only having a 12-month/12,000-mile warranty... if they installed it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:09 PM   #293
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$10k for TRD monobloc BBK is dumbfounding.
You can pick up the Brembo GT kits for a fraction of that.
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But what kind of a warranty? It's been a while since I've followed up on that kind of stuff, but I remember a TRD supercharger only having a 12-month/12,000-mile warranty... if they installed it.
Looks like 12/12,000 on the tC supercharger if you install it yourself, otherwise it falls under the original powertrain warranty.

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Looks like 12/12,000 on the tC supercharger if you install it yourself, otherwise it falls under the original powertrain warranty.
No such thing as voiding a warranty for an entire car due to a single mod. Most they can do is deny a claim where the mod directly impacts the part broken.

First hand experience: My gf's sister owns a 2008 wrx, she put a BOV on the car (did not modify boost at all). The car spun a bearing like they all did, they warrantied the engine like they had to, regardless of the mod, because it had no effect on things like the lubrication system or power levels.
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You can pick up the Brembo GT kits for a fraction of that.
You can pick up a nice StopTech kit for $2100.

http://www.stranoparts.com/partdetai...241&ModelID=36


Edit: some bozo hacked my account and put "StopTech" up there instead of "AP"... Yeah, that's it...



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No such thing as voiding a warranty for an entire car due to a single mod. Most they can do is deny a claim where the mod directly impacts the part broken.

First hand experience: My gf's sister owns a 2008 wrx, she put a BOV on the car (did not modify boost at all). The car spun a bearing like they all did, they warrantied the engine like they had to, regardless of the mod, because it had no effect on things like the lubrication system or power levels.
I drove the hell out of mine, track days and all, and never spun a bearing. You through a Supercharger on yourself and the engine blows...might be a problem with the warranty. Hit a tree because you can't friggin drive...won't be covered. Shock goes bad they will cover it.
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You can pick up a nice StopTech kit for $2100.

http://www.stranoparts.com/partdetai...241&ModelID=36
That's just some other company. Show me $2,100 for front and rear Stoptechs now!
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You can pick up a nice StopTech kit for $2100.

http://www.stranoparts.com/partdetai...241&ModelID=36
That's the AP Racing/Essex Sprint kit. 2pc under-sized diameter rotors (much thicker though) to drop weight while still improving thermal capacity and stopping power. RCE's BRZ has these as well. They're ****ing LOUD like the race car brakes they are. The point of mentioning Brembo GT calipers was that the TRD kit IS a rebranded Brembo GT 6pot kit.
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That's just some other company. Show me $2,100 for front and rear Stoptechs now!
JUST some other company? Them's REAL race brakes, son. I actually picked up their stock wheel fitment street kit; aluminum pistons vs. stainless, painted vs. anodized, dust boots, no anti-knockback strings. I won't talk about the cost...
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haha AP Racing is dope. I was just expecting StopTech. Disappointment ensued.
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