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Old 07-20-2016, 12:47 PM   #26
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We will have one soon
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Old 07-20-2016, 04:27 PM   #27
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We will have one soon
You guys have headers, firewall bracket, how many parts are you guys working on??? Just bought your tranny mount and gurney flap, can barely keep up
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Old 07-20-2016, 05:05 PM   #28
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We have lots of parts in progress We cant keep up! lol
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:02 PM   #29
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:35 PM   #30
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Thought you weren't making this..?
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:44 PM   #31
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Thought you weren't making this..?
TL;DR - They already prototyped them for turbo testing, didn't like the $/HP ratio, people said gimme anyways
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:50 PM   #32
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TL;DR - They already prototyped them for turbo testing, didn't like the $/HP ratio, people said gimme anyways
Well it looks ****ing beautiful. Really digging the one-piece. Collector looks legit. And with these Steamspeed turbos popping up I think there's a good opportunity.

What's the price, KillerB?
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:54 PM   #33
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Lawd have mercy those are beautiful
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:58 PM   #34
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Lawd have mercy those are beautiful

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Old 07-22-2016, 10:35 AM   #35
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Well it looks ****ing beautiful. Really digging the one-piece. Collector looks legit. And with these Steamspeed turbos popping up I think there's a good opportunity.

What's the price, KillerB?
Thanks! The single formed tubes assure the minimal possible flow disruptions/turbulence vs welded pipe or sections. We spent over $6K in just the custom bend tooling to assure the largest mandrel formed bend radii, and a merge that isn't IN a bend, and properly collects before reaching the turbo flange. The head flanges are port matched with smooth transitions on the ID... and of course, they are made from 321 Stainless, which is essentially 304 stainless alloyed with titanium, providing a lightweight part worthy of a lifetime warranty.

Price...

probably $999 and $1,390 with EWGs

You'll probably eventually see them priced from $500 on up on ebay (maybe less), made from 304SS and with cheap overseas labor. Like anything in life the quality will reflect the price, but not everyone cares about that. We cater to the other people

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Thanks!

I wish I could take credit for the welds. We have some very talented craftsmen here that really take pride in their work.
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:49 AM   #36
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...and a merge that isn't IN a bend, and properly collects before reaching the turbo flange.
Someone here knows about hydraulics and obtaining laminar flow before a merge, there's a nice surprise.
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:34 AM   #37
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Thanks! The single formed tubes assure the minimal possible flow disruptions/turbulence vs welded pipe or sections. We spent over $6K in just the custom bend tooling to assure the largest mandrel formed bend radii, and a merge that isn't IN a bend, and properly collects before reaching the turbo flange. The head flanges are port matched with smooth transitions on the ID... and of course, they are made from 321 Stainless, which is essentially 304 stainless alloyed with titanium, providing a lightweight part worthy of a lifetime warranty.

Price...

probably $999 and $1,390 with EWGs
Wow that seems like a big difference in price for the EWG. Will you be offering this in T4 only?
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:41 AM   #38
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Agency Power has one.
I bought an Agency Power up pipe once. Quality was pathetic. Decided not to install it.
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:44 AM   #39
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That's probably including the waste gates as well, so not bad at all. And it's not T4, it's still stock frame.

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Old 07-22-2016, 12:18 PM   #40
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That's probably including the waste gates as well, so not bad at all. And it's not T4, it's still stock frame.
If it's with the wastegates, crazy deal. I just don't see the point of a header with the stock ports.
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Old 07-22-2016, 02:03 PM   #41
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Someone here knows about hydraulics and obtaining laminar flow before a merge, there's a nice surprise.
Thanks! I'd like to think all those years in class, books and experience have rattled loose at least a couple of good ideas

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Wow that seems like a big difference in price for the EWG. Will you be offering this in T4 only?
The stubs are made from bends to assure decent flow from each primary, not just one. This means the cope on the stub and hole in the collectors are nowhere near a simple and easy shape to make. There's lots of cutting, grinding time there. It almost doubles the labor put into a set, getting things to the super anal retentive level of placement and fit-up that I require. We're still in the learning curve for producing this product and if we can cut time, the price will drop. I have been considering a casting to cut down on fit/welding time, but without knowing what demand will be for the product, it's tough to plop down the tens of thousands of dollars into the casting tooling cost

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I bought an Agency Power up pipe once. Quality was pathetic. Decided not to install it.
Great example of quality pricing

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That's probably including the waste gates as well, so not bad at all. And it's not T4, it's still stock frame.
The wastegates are ~$260 each, and there are two. So no, it does not include the gates themselves. That would be an awesome deal though!

The turbo flange is for the OEM turbo. If you want a T3, you'd be looking at our turbo kit that has an OEM to T3 adapter with the WG ports too (T4 coming soon I hope) and running any Garrett GTX30/35 you'd like.

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If it's with the wastegates, crazy deal. I just don't see the point of a header with the stock ports.
The markets will decide this. I design the parts to the best of my abilities and resources. If the markets want them, we make them. If not, we won't or will stop making them. The thing that's great about enthusiast feedback like this, on these forums, is that it helps with the direction a product will go... or won't go. The more feedback the better as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 07-22-2016, 03:17 PM   #42
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Seems like a lot of money to spend on a part the manufacture claims isn't really worth it.
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Old 07-22-2016, 03:37 PM   #43
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Seems like a lot of money to spend on a part the manufacture claims isn't really worth it.
I really wanted to refute this, and say you were being hard on KillerB, but their original statements on this product do state their opinion that this wasn't a major performance modification(not in those exact words, but predicting/stating 10+ WHP gains).

But I wouldn't criticize them for the price point, they did ask if people wanted this produced, even with minimal gains predicted(and IIRC, multiple people asked for this).
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Old 07-22-2016, 04:18 PM   #44
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I really wanted to refute this,
lol, me too. The fact of the matter is that it's not up to us. If the market wants these, they'll pay for them. I do hold hope that the EWG version will provide additional gains though.

When I first designed the Holy Header for the EJ's I thought "No one will pay $1,500 for a set of headers, that's crazy!" but after customers ran them and shared/posted, they caught on, regardless of the price.

IMO the design is sound, and we know the materials and craftsmanship are good.

I will reach out to another shop and see if I can get an independent test setup. Not on our car, not with us present, and see where it leads us. Sound like a good idea?
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Old 07-23-2016, 08:25 PM   #45
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lol, me too. The fact of the matter is that it's not up to us. If the market wants these, they'll pay for them. I do hold hope that the EWG version will provide additional gains though.

When I first designed the Holy Header for the EJ's I thought "No one will pay $1,500 for a set of headers, that's crazy!" but after customers ran them and shared/posted, they caught on, regardless of the price.

IMO the design is sound, and we know the materials and craftsmanship are good.

I will reach out to another shop and see if I can get an independent test setup. Not on our car, not with us present, and see where it leads us. Sound like a good idea?
Do you have any dyno numbers with your headers now?
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Old 07-23-2016, 09:33 PM   #46
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lol, me too. The fact of the matter is that it's not up to us. If the market wants these, they'll pay for them. I do hold hope that the EWG version will provide additional gains though.

When I first designed the Holy Header for the EJ's I thought "No one will pay $1,500 for a set of headers, that's crazy!" but after customers ran them and shared/posted, they caught on, regardless of the price.

IMO the design is sound, and we know the materials and craftsmanship are good.

I will reach out to another shop and see if I can get an independent test setup. Not on our car, not with us present, and see where it leads us. Sound like a good idea?
I think it's a great price for that product. I paid more than that over ten years ago for APS headers for my LGT. They were also 321... and to me a beautiful work of art. Best of all, they worked and were problem-free for the four years I had the car. Good stuff ain't cheap.

This is where I mention heat, and the retainment of, in such headers. The special hand-formed (my hands) metallic shielding for my APS were part of why they increased not only power, but spooled earlier as well. Heat shielding isn't an issue on the track as much as it is in day-to-day, when the manifold gets cool(er).

So... just wondering what your recommendations are concerning your header... is heat retention a factor, or not.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:06 PM   #47
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I recently installed a RD Engineering ceramic coated header on my 2016 WRX. At the same time I used a die grinder to port match the turbine housing to the gasket, which is approx the same size as the header outlet. The stock turbo turbine inlet size was 35.5mm. Gasket is 42mm. Outlet on the RD header was a tick under 42mm. The outlet of the factory manifold has a restriction before the flange that measures 33mm. I port matched, then blended back about 15-20mm. I wrapped the header, and covered the oil pan with gold heat tape. I was a bit worried about heat management after seeing how well the factory manifold is insulated. I have seen no change to oil or water temps after install. In short I picked up a bunch under the curve. About 50ft/lbs of torque. According to the tuner, she had more, but I was pushing the limits of the stock rods. Per the shop, on the same dyno a stock 2015 WRX makes 180hp at the wheels. It now makes 294 hp and 325ft/lbs. I don't have a stock base line to show of my car. But what I do have is a before and after dyno of the header install. The lower reading was when it was pro tuned before header/port work. The higher is after header and ported turbine housing & pro tune. Boost response is improved as well.

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Cobb Pro tuned
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Before & After Dyno


Stock Port Size


Port Match Work in Progress


Gasket


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You Tube Link of Dyno Run
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:22 AM   #48
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Thanks for the write up!
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:32 AM   #49
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Great results above.

Here are the independent test results from the Killer B header, both IWG and EWG:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2803482
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:27 AM   #50
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@racingincident - First of all, that looks fantastic dude! Is that a cat in the downpipe that you wrapped? I'm considering doing wrap on my DP, but I've heard conflicting things about wrapping cats... what are your thoughts?
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