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Old 12-06-2018, 01:28 AM   #76
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So, I'll ask again. Do y'all really think this car will do the trick? Something's got to be wrong. Is it "too sporty"?Not comfortable enough? Is it the design language? Many here think it looks great. I've heard "homerun" type comments on the design. Even with the Impreza's 18% drop last month, it still sells better than the 3. Heck, the Ascent has only been sold since June and has already outsold the CX-9 YTD. Maybe this "homerun" isn't so? What is wrong? Why don't they sell better?
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:54 PM   #77
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So, I'll ask again. Do y'all really think this car will do the trick? Something's got to be wrong. Is it "too sporty"?Not comfortable enough? Is it the design language? Many here think it looks great. I've heard "homerun" type comments on the design. Even with the Impreza's 18% drop last month, it still sells better than the 3. Heck, the Ascent has only been sold since June and has already outsold the CX-9 YTD. Maybe this "homerun" isn't so? What is wrong? Why don't they sell better?
Why do you worry about Mazda in North America?
You should worry about Subaru getting kicked out of the E.U. unless they get their engine program together... and fast.
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Old 12-07-2018, 12:12 AM   #78
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Why do you worry about Mazda in North America?
You should worry about Subaru getting kicked out of the E.U. unless they get their engine program together... and fast.
Would that not be another thread? This one is about a Mazda. So...I asked a Mazda question....


....and didn't get any sort of answer.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:47 AM   #79
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Would that not be another thread? This one is about a Mazda. So...I asked a Mazda question....


....and didn't get any sort of answer.
You brought up Subaru's USDM sales performance in comparison to Mazda and you even asked if Mazda would exit the USDM market because of their seemingly lackluster sales.
So, again, my answer is the following: if Subaru can hang on to the HIGHLY price competitive and sensitive Euro market selling less than 40K vehicles a year (barely), I would hazard a guess and predict that Mazda should be able to stay in here selling 400K vehicles.
People buy CUV/SUV, right? And it looks like CX-5 is holding its own in the market place; at, least at the moment.
Now, yes, sure, Mazda sales numbers in the USDM are disappointing.
But, at the moment, if I were to purchase a new vehicle for my little family, and my only 2 choices were Mazda and Subaru, I'd pick Mazda.
If my 2 choices were only FB20-powered Impreza and 2.5L Skyactive Mazda3, I'd pick Mazda3 with 5-doors. Poor visibility be darned .
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Old 12-07-2018, 10:09 AM   #80
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I wonder how many people have been turned off of the Subaru brand after dealing with the early FB engines. Last time I was at the dealer for my oil burning, another middle age woman asked if I was in there for the oil burning engine. She was not happy.

Probably not enough to make a difference, but I am one. Eventually, Subaruís sales will flatline if they canít develop new engines and hybrids that actually make a difference. Complacency will catch up to them.

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Old 12-07-2018, 10:28 AM   #81
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I wonder how many people have been turned off of the Subaru brand after dealing with the early FB engines. Last time I was at the dealer for my oil burning, another middle age woman asked if I was in there for the oil burning engine. She was not happy.

Probably not enough to make a difference, but I am one. Eventually, Subaruís sales will flatline if they canít develop new engines and hybrids that actually make a difference. Complacency will catch up to them.
if the EJ main bearings, head gaskets & oil consumption issues haven't turned people off, I doubt a bit of oil consumption in the FB will
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Old 12-07-2018, 10:42 AM   #82
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If my 2 choices were only FB20-powered Impreza and 2.5L Skyactive Mazda3, I'd pick Mazda3 with 5-doors. Poor visibility be darned .
So would I. The Impreza/Crosstrek engine is pathetic for the weight. The Mazda powertrain, which while still in grocery getter (not sporty grocery getter) territory, still delivers power well instead of constantly falling flat on its face.
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if the EJ main bearings, head gaskets & oil consumption issues haven't turned people off, I doubt a bit of oil consumption in the FB will
You left out ringlands.

And it did turn people off. Many of us grew tired of waiting on them or got tired of their bs and bought products from other manus. As Curly Bill would say, Well Bye!
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:41 AM   #84
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You brought up Subaru's USDM sales performance in comparison to Mazda and you even asked if Mazda would exit the USDM market because of their seemingly lackluster sales.
So, again, my answer is the following: if Subaru can hang on to the HIGHLY price competitive and sensitive Euro market selling less than 40K vehicles a year (barely), I would hazard a guess and predict that Mazda should be able to stay in here selling 400K vehicles.
People buy CUV/SUV, right? And it looks like CX-5 is holding its own in the market place; at, least at the moment.
Now, yes, sure, Mazda sales numbers in the USDM are disappointing.
But, at the moment, if I were to purchase a new vehicle for my little family, and my only 2 choices were Mazda and Subaru, I'd pick Mazda.
If my 2 choices were only FB20-powered Impreza and 2.5L Skyactive Mazda3, I'd pick Mazda3 with 5-doors. Poor visibility be darned .
Well, I'm not talking about other markets and reasons anyone stays or goes in those markets. My statement was just worded wrong. Will this new gen stuff from Mazda make a difference? Or will it continue to slide because it looks as if they'll barely make 300K(though it's an up % right now for them. But a dwindling one). Not 400K. And if they continue to slide....????

So, no opinion to my question of why they are sliding?
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Well, I'm not talking about other markets and reasons anyone stays or goes in those markets. My statement was just worded wrong. Will this new gen stuff from Mazda make a difference? Or will it continue to slide because it looks as if they'll barely make 300K(though it's an up % right now for them. But a dwindling one). Not 400K. And if they continue to slide....????

So, no opinion to my question of why they are sliding?
Why they are sliding? Who knows.
Maybe because Mazda tends to be on the firmer, busier, noisier side of things in terms of ride quality?
Also, the current Mazda3 is kind of smallish inside compared to the competition that has gotten bigger/larger (especially Civic); it's a similar situation for Mazda6 and CX-9 (although to a lesser extent than Mazda3).
Maybe pricing was also on the high side compared to the competition given the lack of a turbo 4 or a V6 for a midsizer like Mazda6 for instance.
That's the main reason why I passed on Mazda6 back in 2015; however, had there been a Mazda6 turbo back then, I might have purchased one.
Ultimately, I decided I wanted a RWD sedan with a V8 in front for about the same amount of money I was willing to spend on a top trim Mazd6 I4 or Accord V6... and that's how I ended up in a Dodge Charger :-)
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I recently got a job selling Mazdas.

I patiently waited to see the 2019 (mostly the hatchback) and after seeing it, I sold myself a 2018 Grand Touring. Traded the WRX for it. And the only things the WRX does better is a turbo and AWD. The Mazda is better in every other category including interior, steering and handling.

I really like the front end design of the 2019 and that's about it. The AWD was tempting but the torsion beam rear and hatchback design turned me off.

If I can get my hands on any info before the internet does I'll gladly share it.
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