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Old 05-09-2023, 01:35 PM   #10176
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. But here I am Not Spending 45-50k for 300hp. Absolutely ridiculous for such a price that doesn't even offer Audi/BMW level interior. Looking at you GR (no matter how great of a car I think it is).
I own a GRC and it's definitely hard justifying paying 40k+ for it considering we don't even get dual climate controls. But between this, a german car with german reliability, a south korean car with no reliability, and a Subaru with 0 appeal and known unreliability, I'd take another GRC any day.

I'd go back to an STI if I could, hence why I also own an 06 Fozzy XT, but these new WRXs just ain't it. Ever since the VA, the FA/FB platform just doesn't have any taste anymore.
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single zone auto climate is as good as any dual climate system in the price range.

maybe there's a more luxury car out there that can blend heat/cold to get just the right temps to the appropriate vents, but I've never seen great success out of dual zones in this price range. my wife and I may set the temp 3-4 degrees different, but we still both end up adjusting the vents to blow in whatever direction anyway, and that ends up being a more effective way to accommodate dual zones.
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single zone auto climate is as good as any dual climate system in the price range.

maybe there's a more luxury car out there that can blend heat/cold to get just the right temps to the appropriate vents, but I've never seen great success out of dual zones in this price range. my wife and I may set the temp 3-4 degrees different, but we still both end up adjusting the vents to blow in whatever direction anyway, and that ends up being a more effective way to accommodate dual zones.
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Old 05-09-2023, 08:11 PM   #10180
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I own a GRC and it's definitely hard justifying paying 40k+ for it considering we don't even get dual climate controls. But between this, a german car with german reliability, a south korean car with no reliability, and a Subaru with 0 appeal and known unreliability, I'd take another GRC any day.



I'd go back to an STI if I could, hence why I also own an 06 Fozzy XT, but these new WRXs just ain't it. Ever since the VA, the FA/FB platform just doesn't have any taste anymore.


Iíll give you credit for the 06 forester XT but that ej255 with those air pumps are not exactly a beacon of reliability. The FA24 has been on the outback XT for 2 model years before implemented on the new wrx, successfully. You are all proud of your Corolla GR, good for you, nice car. It is not a perfect car either.


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Old 05-10-2023, 08:07 AM   #10181
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Iíll give you credit for the 06 forester XT but that ej255 with those air pumps are not exactly a beacon of reliability. The FA24 has been on the outback XT for 2 model years before implemented on the new wrx, successfully. You are all proud of your Corolla GR, good for you, nice car. It is not a perfect car either.


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Haha the secondary air pump in m 06 wrx wagon s*** the bed right after the warranty was up, that was one of the things that got me to throw a tune at it and turn the codes off so I wouldn't have a CEL & so my CC would work. At some point it became CEL, read code, look up code, adjust tune to disable code if it wasn't serious.
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Old 05-11-2023, 12:36 AM   #10182
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The flares have a slight 10mm poke compared to the OEM golfball texture flares. Ive been more than happy with my conservative tune from Drunkmann. 300hp is more than I need as a daily, While others are trying to push 400. An intake and accessport was all I needed. Which means I still paid less than 37k for 300hp(To the Wheel) and AWD.

However, Still hate the brakes (Will probably get the brembo kit when released ~2,000-3,000 venture I bet) and wish there was more "connected feel" when driving (But got used to the electronic steering).

So yeah its not perfect. First time Subaru really went for making their car look like the concept (Viziv Concept), people have their reservations, I totally understand. But here I am Not Spending 45-50k for 300hp. Absolutely ridiculous for such a price that doesn't even offer Audi/BMW level interior. Looking at you GR (no matter how great of a car I think it is).
$40k gets you a loaded core at msrp. 45-50 is circuit to Morizo territory. These types of cars for this price are a bargain based on the DRIVING experience alone. Homologation technology and machinery is priceless in my eyes.
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Old 05-11-2023, 04:55 AM   #10183
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$40k gets you a loaded core at msrp. 45-50 is circuit to Morizo territory. These types of cars for this price are a bargain based on the DRIVING experience alone. Homologation technology and machinery is priceless in my eyes.


Itíll be better when the rear diff issue is fixed and awd is reliable.


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Old 05-11-2023, 12:04 PM   #10184
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$40k gets you a loaded core at msrp. 45-50 is circuit to Morizo territory. These types of cars for this price are a bargain based on the DRIVING experience alone. Homologation technology and machinery is priceless in my eyes.
Nah. You've really gotta throw a lot of other criteria into the mix to call it a bargain. For about the price of a loaded core I can go buy a used M2 that's available on the lot today.
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Reliable is good; but, I have to say, in the case of the WRX, the AWD system does nothing to improve handling in the dry.
The rear end of the WRX with the 50:50 VC doesn't step out on throttle. Never.
Maybe it does with the VTD system in the CVT WRX; I haven't driven one on track to find out.
At least, the AWD system in the GRC is useful; sometimes, that's better than just "reliable".
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Old 05-11-2023, 04:39 PM   #10186
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Reliable is good; but, I have to say, in the case of the WRX, the AWD system does nothing to improve handling in the dry.
The rear end of the WRX with the 50:50 VC doesn't step out on throttle. Never.
Maybe it does with the VTD system in the CVT WRX; I haven't driven one on track to find out.
At least, the AWD system in the GRC is useful; sometimes, that's better than just "reliable".
Thereís no diff issues or awd system issues, Iíve seen people who complain on forums like that for 20+ years . Even if the car was perfect they wouldnít spend a dime
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There's no diff issues or awd system issues, I've seen people who complain on forums like that for 20+ years . Even if the car was perfect they wouldn't spend a dime
Yea, I've owned enough to know that the WRX VC is neutral handling. I mean, it's 50:50, how could it step out in the dry (without hooning)?

My Giulia is 0:100 until slip, up to 50:50 max. I can feel the rear (LSD) rotate the car, which I didn't feel on my WRXs or even STI. But, I didn't expect them to.
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Yea, I've owned enough to know that the WRX VC is neutral handling. I mean, it's 50:50, how could it step out in the dry (without hooning)?

My Giulia is 0:100 until slip, up to 50:50 max. I can feel the rear (LSD) rotate the car, which I didn't feel on my WRXs or even STI. But, I didn't expect them to.
I was just saying the GRC system does more to enhance handling in the dry; so, yeah, I pointed the obvious and well known limitation of Subaru's 50:50 VC system.
So, it's a matter of choice, some people stick to the devil they know and some won't mind the devil they don't .
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My Giulia is 0:100 until slip, up to 50:50 max. I can feel the rear (LSD) rotate the car, which I didn't feel on my WRXs or even STI. But, I didn't expect them to.
The (06-21) STI will do it.. you've just gotta be within the 1,500rpm zone on the tach where it makes full boost.
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The (06-21) STI will do it.. you've just gotta be within the 1,500rpm zone on the tach where it makes full boost.
04-07 the dccd is the same
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Iíve seen several videos on YouTube talk about overheated AWD. Iíve seen it reported on both the Yaris and the Corolla.


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I was just saying the GRC system does more to enhance handling in the dry; so, yeah, I pointed the obvious and well known limitation of Subaru's 50:50 VC system.
So, it's a matter of choice, some people stick to the devil they know and some won't mind the devil they don't .
Yes, GRC is more active when you change the function. GRC is front wheel drive biased by default, with a FWD platform. Many reviewers have said it retains its front biased feel, just like the Golf R. It does not feel driven by the rear axle.

If GR-Four is actually better or quicker, I don't know. This is like the old debate between the STI (41:59) and the Evo IX/X (50:50 w/ AYC). The Evo was more "fun" as it would let its tail hang out longer, but in reality that was slower than the STI. I have seen a video of Chris Atko driving a GR Yaris and then an STI on track, and the STI had a quicker time. I realize that is not a basic WRX, but the GR-Four system is not necessarily the best application.

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Haha yea. I mean, I am sure on a track with enough driver input it can do it, especially 04-07 with the old 35:65 split.
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Yes, GRC is more active when you change the function. GRC is front wheel drive biased by default, with a FWD platform. Many reviewers have said it retains its front biased feel, just like the Golf R. It does not feel driven by the rear axle.
This is the reason I'm not sold on the GRC or Golf R, I think the Golf R might be the more tail happy of the two in the dry, but my IS is tail happy all of the time, because, RWD & I squared the stance so the front has more grip than it did from factory.

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Haha yea. I mean, I am sure on a track with enough driver input it can do it, especially 04-07 with the old 35:65 split.
Related/unrelated My 06 WRX wagon rotated, not from the factory, it understeered like a pig stock, but I slapped on a 24mm WL adjustable rear sway bar and a 22mm WL adjustable front sway bar. I would adjust settings based on the season, summer (also spring and fall) was rear at stiffest setting, front at softest setting for a setup that would oversteer. Winter was rear at middle setting, front at hard setting for a more neutral setup that would oversteer if you wanted to. I ran the summer setup the first winter and it was too tail happy for certain situations, hence playing with adjustments. Rear bar set to mid and front set to soft was a good compromise/year round setup; granted I had pinks, adjustable top hats, rear camber bolts, WL bushings, so those settings were very specific to my car and any other car with the same hard parts & alignment (-1.5F -1.0R).

I'm tempted to play with the suspension on my IS, but it already scrapes at stock ride height in certain places around my town if I'm not careful with my approach, really just want stiffer suspension & less body roll, it's too "GT soft" from the factory.

All of that has absolutely no bearing on the handling characteristics of GRC, Golf R or current WRX.
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This is the reason I'm not sold on the GRC or Golf R, I think the Golf R might be the more tail happy of the two in the dry, but my IS is tail happy all of the time, because, RWD & I squared the stance so the front has more grip than it did from factory.







Related/unrelated My 06 WRX wagon rotated, not from the factory, it understeered like a pig stock, but I slapped on a 24mm WL adjustable rear sway bar and a 22mm WL adjustable front sway bar. I would adjust settings based on the season, summer (also spring and fall) was rear at stiffest setting, front at softest setting for a setup that would oversteer. Winter was rear at middle setting, front at hard setting for a more neutral setup that would oversteer if you wanted to. I ran the summer setup the first winter and it was too tail happy for certain situations, hence playing with adjustments. Rear bar set to mid and front set to soft was a good compromise/year round setup; granted I had pinks, adjustable top hats, rear camber bolts, WL bushings, so those settings were very specific to my car and any other car with the same hard parts & alignment (-1.5F -1.0R).

I'm tempted to play with the suspension on my IS, but it already scrapes at stock ride height in certain places around my town if I'm not careful with my approach, really just want stiffer suspension & less body roll, it's too "GT soft" from the factory.

All of that has absolutely no bearing on the handling characteristics of GRC, Golf R or current WRX.
I like the trial and error with the sway bars. I remember getting a RCE rear sway bar for my WRX and it really was noticeable.
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I like the trial and error with the sway bars. I remember getting a RCE rear sway bar for my WRX and it really was noticeable.
Yeah, I went with adjustable for just that reason: I had a goal - no understeer at the limit, but not too much oversteer and/or too low of a handling limit at the rear. I put the rear setup on first, I ordered front & rear parts at the same time but the front got delayed for some reason, it was an interesting/fun couple weeks while I was running the stock front with the rear set at it's stiffest setting.
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Yes, GRC is more active when you change the function. GRC is front wheel drive biased by default, with a FWD platform. Many reviewers have said it retains its front biased feel, just like the Golf R. It does not feel driven by the rear axle.



If GR-Four is actually better or quicker, I don't know. This is like the old debate between the STI (41:59) and the Evo IX/X (50:50 w/ AYC). The Evo was more "fun" as it would let its tail hang out longer, but in reality that was slower than the STI. I have seen a video of Chris Atko driving a GR Yaris and then an STI on track, and the STI had a quicker time. I realize that is not a basic WRX, but the GR-Four system is not necessarily the best application.





Haha yea. I mean, I am sure on a track with enough driver input it can do it, especially 04-07 with the old 35:65 split.
Here's the thing though; my Mk7.5 Golf R doesn't feel any worse on or off track than my 06 WRX Wagon.
The stock 06 WRX wagon understeered at the limit just like a basic FWD car. Again, its 50:50 AWD system doesn't help any of this. It doesn't neutralize handling at all.
The only thing that makes a difference is improving grip at the front axle with more static camber and, in the case of the WRX, more caster.
Similarly, the Mk7 Golf R greatly benefits from more static camber at the front to sort itself out.
The Mk8 R has more static camber at the front compared to a stock Mk7 and it has a torque vectoring RDU; so, I don't think it can be or feel any worse than a WRX with its basic 50:50 VC.
In fact, the Mk8 engine makes so much power throughout the rev range that there will be more torque going to its rear wheels, when it's needed, when it counts, compared to whatever a stock FA24DIT can muster.

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In fact, the Mk8 engine makes so much power throughout the rev range that there will be more torque going to its rear wheels, when it's needed, when it counts, compared to whatever a stock FA24DIT can muster.

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Neither car feels RWD, but the WRX is always sending 50% to the rear. The Golf sends 0%-50%.

But what % is actually being transferred? You can't tell, besides a meter on the screen, which I have never seen go above 30% and that is when hooning. WRX is 50%, all the time.

The car wants to be FWD. It cruises by disconnecting the rear axle (Sport and Comfort).

The essence of the car is FWD, and they added an RDU that *can* send power to the rear. That is different from a car that defaults to 50/50 or a rear bias.

It's still an awesome car. I would happily get one (and I tried).
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This is the reason I'm not sold on the GRC or Golf R, I think the Golf R might be the more tail happy of the two in the dry, but my IS is tail happy all of the time, because, RWD & I squared the stance so the front has more grip than it did from factory.







Related/unrelated My 06 WRX wagon rotated, not from the factory, it understeered like a pig stock, but I slapped on a 24mm WL adjustable rear sway bar and a 22mm WL adjustable front sway bar. I would adjust settings based on the season, summer (also spring and fall) was rear at stiffest setting, front at softest setting for a setup that would oversteer. Winter was rear at middle setting, front at hard setting for a more neutral setup that would oversteer if you wanted to. I ran the summer setup the first winter and it was too tail happy for certain situations, hence playing with adjustments. Rear bar set to mid and front set to soft was a good compromise/year round setup; granted I had pinks, adjustable top hats, rear camber bolts, WL bushings, so those settings were very specific to my car and any other car with the same hard parts & alignment (-1.5F -1.0R).

I'm tempted to play with the suspension on my IS, but it already scrapes at stock ride height in certain places around my town if I'm not careful with my approach, really just want stiffer suspension & less body roll, it's too "GT soft" from the factory.

All of that has absolutely no bearing on the handling characteristics of GRC, Golf R or current WRX.
Do they make body dampers that attach to the front and rear, behind the bumpers at the beams? COX/Yamaha has them for my Impreza, either from SYMS Racing or even STI.

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Neither car feels RWD, but the WRX is always sending 50% to the rear. The Golf sends 0%-50%.

But what % is actually being transferred? You can't tell, besides a meter on the screen, which I have never seen go above 30% and that is when hooning. WRX is 50%, all the time.

The car wants to be FWD. It cruises by disconnecting the rear axle (Sport and Comfort).

The essence of the car is FWD, and they added an RDU that *can* send power to the rear. That is different from a car that defaults to 50/50 or a rear bias.

It's still an awesome car. I would happily get one (and I tried).
Yes, you and I had this convo before.
But, last time, I didn't bring up weight transfer. The WRX always send 50% in the rear but it can't always apply that torque to the wheels.
The basic case is braking; I come out of the front straight flying in my WRX and I jump on the brakes getting into turn one.
All the weight is on the front wheels; a very large portion of the torque sent to the rear axle doesn't actually make it to the ground.
That torque is wasted and serves no practical purpose.
The system doesn't need to send anywhere near 50% back there; it's useless.
The Golf R system simply takes advantage of these opportunities; no need to send torque to the rear when braking, the front wheels are loaded up, the rear wheels are less so, it's OK to (nearly) disconnect the rear wheels.
My point is even when we know the WRX sends 50% of its torque to the rear at all times, we also know that all that torque can't possibly be used and applied to the wheels at all times. It's wasted in a lot of cases.
The Golf R system greatly minimizes that waste without negatively impacting handling.

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