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Old 05-17-2023, 07:47 PM   #10226
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Definitely not, but okay. Mustang rear looks great to me. *shrug*

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(I added the pinstriping)
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Old 05-17-2023, 08:22 PM   #10227
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ACTUALLY... I don't hate it with that pin striping.

I think I'm pretty much over my hate for the WRX design. I just won't consider one until I either had excess money to fix it myself, or Subaru redesigns it to something I'd actually turn around and look at after walking away.

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Old 05-17-2023, 08:38 PM   #10228
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ACTUALLY... I don't hate it with that pin striping.

I think I'm pretty much over my hate for the WRX design. I just won't consider one until I either had excess money to fix it myself, or Subaru redesigns it to something I'd actually turn around and look at after walking away.

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Ha, thanks!

Yeah, I think the pinstriping helps a bit.

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Old 05-18-2023, 10:19 AM   #10229
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The cladding would be a lot more tolerable if the body was a hatch/wagon. Or like the black trim on the new Prius. The Prius cladding gives the impression of bigger tires because it is round like the tires instead of Subaruís choose your own adventure for the cladding shape.


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Old 05-18-2023, 11:13 AM   #10230
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The cladding would be a lot more tolerable if the body was a hatch/wagon. Or like the black trim on the new Prius. The Prius cladding gives the impression of bigger tires because it is round like the tires instead of Subaruís choose your own adventure for the cladding shape.


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Although I am pro wagon & hatch, I don't think the WRX cladding will look better on a different body style, it's just, hideous. The Prius cladding is available in gloss, significantly smaller, and only at the wheel wells as the side skirts are painted. Bumpers are painted save for some accents at the front and a patch at the back where the plate goes, these areas are also available in gloss black.

Toyota doesn't get a pass on every model though, the BZ4X/Solterra black front fender... flares? over-fenders? & rear flares are ugly as hell, should be painted to match the body. I believe they come in matte or gloss based on trim as well, but they look horrible either way, pretty sure there's some Subaru "wilderness" influence in those designs though.
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Old 05-18-2023, 11:19 AM   #10231
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I see about 2-3 of these during my daily commute. Red looks fantastic on the road. The cladding looks much better in person, so does the car. This car looks more expensive than it is and the cladding fits in with the car's character. Blue and red look great. These are becoming very popular in the NE. Jimbo, yours looks really good. I love it!
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Old 05-18-2023, 11:43 AM   #10232
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The WRX's "character" calls for plastic cladding? That's news to... everyone else.

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Old 05-18-2023, 12:39 PM   #10233
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looking at that unpainted black plastic bumper section from straight on rear, neither of them look great, but neither look outwardly offensive. the GR Corolla also has the black plastic area of the bumper.

it's when you look at other angles and see how far the WRX black plastic extends out, that's when it starts to look far worse than most other cars that are also on that same design.

whatever happened to just having a clean body colored bumper?

this must be how people felt when they started seeing the 5mph bumpers on cars in the 70s and into the 80s, only I'm not aware of any government regulation that's pushing this design choice, it's just a really bad exaggeration of what started off as a rear diffuser to help with airflow.
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:39 PM   #10234
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looking at that unpainted black plastic bumper section from straight on rear, neither of them look great, but neither look outwardly offensive. the GR Corolla also has the black plastic area of the bumper.

it's when you look at other angles and see how far the WRX black plastic extends out, that's when it starts to look far worse than most other cars that are also on that same design.

whatever happened to just having a clean body colored bumper?

this must be how people felt when they started seeing the 5mph bumpers on cars in the 70s and into the 80s, only I'm not aware of any government regulation that's pushing this design choice, it's just a really bad exaggeration of what started off as a rear diffuser to help with airflow.
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Old 05-18-2023, 02:55 PM   #10235
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To me the cladding doesn't look good now, and I really don't see it aging well. I think body color matched is a much better look, perhaps Subaru could have offered a "Rally" edition that had all the plastic cladding and they could have charged more money.

For the money and performance and functionality the VB is a solid offering. But it could be so much more with some minor changes and package updates.
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Old 05-18-2023, 04:01 PM   #10236
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I see about 2-3 of these during my daily commute. Red looks fantastic on the road. The cladding looks much better in person, so does the car. This car looks more expensive than it is and the cladding fits in with the car's character. Blue and red look great. These are becoming very popular in the NE. Jimbo, yours looks really good. I love it!
Thank you!

Yeah, I think a lot of the people that are so angry about the cladding have yet to actually see it in person, walk around the car and get a real perspective of it.
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Old 05-18-2023, 04:12 PM   #10237
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As someone who went to Wicked Big Meet last year and discussed the WRX on display with random strangers (part of my responsibility as a Subaru Ambassador), I can assure you that many people walked around it and thought it ugly.

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Old 05-18-2023, 04:34 PM   #10238
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Yeah, I think a lot of the people that are so angry about the cladding have yet to actually see it in person, walk around the car and get a real perspective of it.
I've seen at least a couple on the highway in black & gray, and two in person up close. It did not improve my opinion of the styling choices. One was WRB and on a Chevy lot, I stopped to take a look at something else, but gave it a walk around, the other was red, they frequent the same supermarket I do, so I see it often, I've walked around it etc. Still think the unpainted plastic is ugly, and the swim platform bumper protrudes too far. That red is currently my favorite WRX color on offer, Hyper Blue is probably my favorite Subaru color, but it doesn't come on the WRX, not that it matters anyways.
Edit: worth noting I also like "Sunshine Orange" and "Sunrise Yellow", so take my color preferences with a grain of salt.

I think Black looks the least horrible, because it helps to hide the cladding. I said "least horrible" and not "best" because being the best of the worst isn't anything to be proud of. I also don't like black, gray, silver or other bland colors on a vehicle, especially not one that's supposed to be an enthusiast vehicle. They should have made a Crosstrek XT and just let the ICE WRX die with the ICE STi.
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I've seen at least a couple on the highway in black & gray, and two in person up close. It did not improve my opinion of the styling choices. One was WRB and on a Chevy lot, I stopped to take a look at something else, but gave it a walk around, the other was red, they frequent the same supermarket I do, so I see it often, I've walked around it etc. Still think the unpainted plastic is ugly, and the swim platform bumper protrudes too far. That red is currently my favorite WRX color on offer, Hyper Blue is probably my favorite Subaru color, but it doesn't come on the WRX, not that it matters anyways.

Edit: worth noting I also like "Sunshine Orange" and "Sunrise Yellow", so take my color preferences with a grain of salt.



I think Black looks the least horrible, because it helps to hide the cladding. I said "least horrible" and not "best" because being the best of the worst isn't anything to be proud of. I also don't like black, gray, silver or other bland colors on a vehicle, especially not one that's supposed to be an enthusiast vehicle. They should have made a Crosstrek XT and just let the ICE WRX die with the ICE STi.
You seen it in person and you still don't like it, fair enough.

I'm not a big fan of the rear bumper either, but I will have you know that it actually protrudes a little less than the VA bumper, it just looks like it sticks out more because it's a different color than the rest of the car.

I would be shocked if they don't do something about the bumper on the next refresh, which I assume will happen on the 2024s. They are also coming out with a performance package, which looks like it will include brembos, which I think will be the biggest improvement, as the stock brakes are awful.

Only thing I can hope is that when they do a refresh and come out with a different bumper, it will be a direct swap for current WRX owners. But probably by then I will care even less about it. The longer you live with something, the less it bothers you..... for the most part.
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I've seen precisely 1 moving on the road. I've seen a few in parking lots though.
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Old 05-18-2023, 05:09 PM   #10241
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No one's complaining about the rear bumper measurement. They're complaining about the design. Just because it's less shallow compared to the previous gen doesn't mean the design doesn't protrude.

I'm seeing these more frequently. Gives me hope for the aftermarket fixes.
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I see VBs daily. All different colors.

The bumper has too many angles, levels and details. The VA was clean.
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No one's complaining about the rear bumper measurement. They're complaining about the design. Just because it's less shallow compared to the previous gen doesn't mean the design doesn't protrude.

I'm seeing these more frequently. Gives me hope for the aftermarket fixes.
Actually, the person that I replied to did mention the bumper protruding out too much, he called it a swim platform, lol.

It's not the first time I heard that complaint. There's even a video of somebody measuring a VA bumper and a VB bumper for comparison. That's the only reason why I know that it actually protrudes less.
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Old 05-18-2023, 06:24 PM   #10244
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You're misunderstanding. Compared to the VA, the VB does not protrude too far. But that's not what anyone is saying. I haven't heard a single person say or post about the VB bumper protrusion COMPARING the VA.

What anyone is talking about is that the bumper protrudes in its design. If you look at a flat horizon, let's say a field, and you see something protruding out of the ground, are you going to tell yourself that it's NOT protruding out of the ground because the house nearby is taller than the protruding object?

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You're misunderstanding. Compared to the VA, the VB does not protrude too far. But that's not what anyone is saying. I haven't heard a single person say or post about the VB bumper protrusion COMPARING the VA.

What anyone is talking about is that the bumper protrudes in its design. If you look at a flat horizon, let's say a field, and you see something protruding out of the ground, are you going to tell yourself that it's NOT protruding out of the ground because the house nearby is taller than the protruding object?

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I don't think people are necessarily saying that it's huge compared to the VA, but they're complaining that the VB bumper protrudes like crazy, but in reality it doesn't protrude anymore than the VA, in fact it protrudes even less. Why the comparison, because nobody complained about the VA bumper... and because that's what people do, compare previous generation to current generation.


The above link should start exactly where he discusses the bumper and measures it, but if it doesn't, it's at 5:01.

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Why are you still talking about measurements?

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I owned a 22 and the rear bumper was easily the worst looking part on the car.
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looking at that unpainted black plastic bumper section from straight on rear, neither of them look great, but neither look outwardly offensive. the GR Corolla also has the black plastic area of the bumper.

it's when you look at other angles and see how far the WRX black plastic extends out, that's when it starts to look far worse than most other cars that are also on that same design.
This. The mustang looks fine because it doesn't have an underbite with a protruding jaw. It's angled down/beveled simply, and designed well.

The WRX? That's a shelf that I've seen in houses over fireplaces and walls for wood carved or metal "Live Laugh Love" signs.

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Because it's part of the conversation. If people are complaining that the bumper protrudes like a diving board or whatever, and you measure it against other cars (and the VA, of course) and it's the same or even less of a protrusion, it makes the point moot.

Don't want to harp on this small point, but since we are here, might as well.
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I don't think people are necessarily saying that it's huge compared to the VA, but they're complaining that the VB bumper protrudes like crazy, but in reality it doesn't protrude anymore than the VA, in fact it protrudes even less. Why the comparison, because nobody complained about the VA bumper... and because that's what people do, compare previous generation to current generation.

https://youtu.be/1f3patBMhLg?t=300

The above link should start exactly where he discusses the bumper and measures it, but if it doesn't, it's at 5:01.
VA design

VB design


Boats, boats, boats!


I tried to get images of cars that are the same color, ignore the STi wing & aftermarket wheels; I'll do my best to explain the issue I have with the design.

Worth noting I did not initially compare the VA to VB bumper, I was talking just about the VB bumper design, but I'll use the VA as a comparison to hopefully better illustrate my point

The VA rear bumper is a cohesive & clean design, the actual distance from the face of the trunk to the face of the bumper on the VB isn't the issue.

The VB rear bumper is a mess. The fact that the rear reflector portions don't stick out as far as the middle section makes it appear that the middle section sticks out further than it does, even in person, the center section of the bumper appears to stick out too far, when nominally it doesn't stick out further than the prior gen car. The black plastic contrasting the color & finish of the car only exacerbates the issue further. If it were the same color and finish of the rest of the bumper, and actually a part of the bumper (with a diffuser section from exhaust down) it would help the situation a bit, but it wouldn't fix the design issues entirely, just reduce them visually.

Similarly if you see a black WRX, the black plastic doesn't look as bad as on the colors that contrast it, because it minimized the variation, making it stand out less visually.

When the flares are painted, they appear smaller than the contrasting black plastic flares, even though they are the same size, again because they stand out less visually.

The actual dimension from trunk to bumper face don't matter as much as the poor/busy/incohesive design and the decision to go with matte black plastic which exacerbates the situation; those choices make the middle section of the bumper appear to stick out further than it actually does, and it's reminiscent of a boat with a swim deck.
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