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Old 07-12-2023, 03:52 PM   #10501
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It feels like a VA with a little more low end.
I feel like the low end advantage of the VB over the VA is almost entirely due to the revised, shorter, 3rd to 5th ratios.
Power delivery of the 2.4L down low is definitely smoother and more consistent; but, then again, most of that is due to the turbo setup with its integrated electronic wastegate and BOV (and its associated ECU programming).
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Old 07-13-2023, 12:15 AM   #10502
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Old 07-13-2023, 10:41 AM   #10503
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Man, all this back and forth over looks, sales, what's faster, etc. My desire for one only grows, haha. I like the look, and as I've said it's the first WRX since the 02 that I've wanted; I like that they're actually attainable for reasonable pricing; and I think they offer most of what I want in a car (if I'm not buying an M2 CS or Camaro SS). It's a car I wouldn't feel bad running into the ground, and enjoy doing it. I'm sure I'd end up with a quick tune......
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Old 07-13-2023, 10:44 AM   #10504
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Old 07-14-2023, 01:32 PM   #10505
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That is debatable man. The plastic cladding will hold any debris right against the paint and wear it as well. While it will prevent rocks from hitting the paint. Dirt / dust build up can will get trapped between the plastics and paint. Whether that is worse over a long period of time than a single rock hitting it is not known. Lots of variables here. Individual impact damage is surely better with plastic cladding, but holding moist dirt next to paint is a recipe for corrosion as well.

6 in one hand / half a dozen in the other. The only thing for sure is they are ugly and not needed on a street car. Which the WRX used to be. Now, it seems more like a WRXtrek, which may be what Subaru is going for. If the next Crosstrek is turbo charged and the WRX get dropped, then we will all know.

This makes zero sense. The WRX is still what it has always been. An affordable, fun, ugly to someone car.
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Old 07-14-2023, 02:56 PM   #10506
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This makes zero sense. The WRX is still what it has always been. An affordable, fun, ugly to someone car.
It's definitely heading towards a different demographic than it historically was targeted at. It's pretty clear that Subaru is taking the car in a different direction than where it was heading back 20 years ago, and in a different direction than most of it's competitors. Low redline, plastic fenders, tablet interior, no sti. It's clear that they're no longer after the "tuner" market. Sure, they'll gladly take those sales, but that's no longer their target. They're aiming at the stragglers in the larger CUV market who could be swayed into a sedan. I can't necessarily blame them, it's probably a good business decision, but it sucks for people who just wanted a linear evolution of what the car has always been.
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Old 07-14-2023, 04:14 PM   #10507
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From track car/rally legend to over-hyped platform sharing, virtue signaling, Instagram hiking vehicle for aspiring boy racers with a manual transmission as its saving grace.

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Old 07-14-2023, 04:17 PM   #10508
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It's definitely heading towards a different demographic than it historically was targeted at. It's pretty clear that Subaru is taking the car in a different direction than where it was heading back 20 years ago, and in a different direction than most of it's competitors. Low redline, plastic fenders, tablet interior, no sti. It's clear that they're no longer after the "tuner" market. Sure, they'll gladly take those sales, but that's no longer their target. They're aiming at the stragglers in the larger CUV market who could be swayed into a sedan. I can't necessarily blame them, it's probably a good business decision, but it sucks for people who just wanted a linear evolution of what the car has always been.
Nobody is cross shopping a CUV and a WRX. People want crossovers because they are easy to get in and out of, have huge cargo spaces that are easy to access, and sit up high with ample ground clearance. The WRX doesnít fit into any of those categories and nobody is going to be swayed into a sedan when shopping for a crossover. 99% of car buyers donít even know how an engine works, nor do they care. They want something reliable and new looking so they can post a picture of their new car Facebook about how they made a ďbig girlĒ decision today by financing an automobile.
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Old 07-14-2023, 04:56 PM   #10509
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Honestly I think most of us make it way more complicated than it is supposed to be. Turbo, AWD affordable, preferably a manual, or nice to have a CVT, and historically reliable. That's all anyone is thinking about, especially if they're younger and have always aspired to own a WRX.

If the VB arrived before the VA, after the GR, people would be mostly happy with it except the looks. This WRX is actually the departure from the Impreza that I originally envisioned, minus the cladding of course.
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Old 07-14-2023, 05:09 PM   #10510
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It doesnít even matter because in 5-10 years everything new will be a crossover EV.
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Old 07-14-2023, 05:13 PM   #10511
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It's definitely heading towards a different demographic than it historically was targeted at. It's pretty clear that Subaru is taking the car in a different direction than where it was heading back 20 years ago, and in a different direction than most of it's competitors. Low redline, plastic fenders, tablet interior, no sti. It's clear that they're no longer after the "tuner" market. Sure, they'll gladly take those sales, but that's no longer their target. They're aiming at the stragglers in the larger CUV market who could be swayed into a sedan. I can't necessarily blame them, it's probably a good business decision, but it sucks for people who just wanted a linear evolution of what the car has always been.
Except its a better tuner car than ever? You forgot that part.
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Old 07-14-2023, 05:15 PM   #10512
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Except its a better tuner car than ever? You forgot that part.
It has the same tuning capabilities that the WRX has had since the 2000s.
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Old 07-14-2023, 05:21 PM   #10513
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It has the same tuning capabilities that the WRX has had since the 2000s.
Tuning is not a 'yes/no' thing. Some cars accept mods far better than others, make more power more safely, etc. This car does that, and from what I read it was intentional; they made it both better to drive stock, and with the ability to create more power safer when tuned.
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Old 07-14-2023, 05:31 PM   #10514
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Tuning is not a 'yes/no' thing. Some cars accept mods far better than others, make more power more safely, etc. This car does that, and from what I read it was intentional; they made it both better to drive stock, and with the ability to create more power safer when tuned.
I must have missed the part where they tuned it and then drove the FA24 for 10 years/100,000 miles without any problems.
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Old 07-14-2023, 06:49 PM   #10515
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The FA24 oiling system in the WRX is the same one in the BRZ/GR86 thats causing low oil pressure issues...
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Old 07-14-2023, 06:55 PM   #10516
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The FA24 oiling system in the WRX is the same one in the BRZ/GR86 thats causing low oil pressure issues...
I donít think the FA24DIT has the same issue.
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Old 07-14-2023, 07:12 PM   #10517
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I donít think the FA24DIT has the same issue.
Plenty of blown 22+ WRX engines already.
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Old 07-14-2023, 07:38 PM   #10518
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Plenty of blown 22+ WRX engines already.
You sure? I havenít seen any but I see a ton of stock VAís with blown FA20s on Reddit.
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:03 PM   #10519
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It's definitely heading towards a different demographic than it historically was targeted at. It's pretty clear that Subaru is taking the car in a different direction than where it was heading back 20 years ago, and in a different direction than most of it's competitors. Low redline, plastic fenders, tablet interior, no sti. It's clear that they're no longer after the "tuner" market. Sure, they'll gladly take those sales, but that's no longer their target. They're aiming at the stragglers in the larger CUV market who could be swayed into a sedan. I can't necessarily blame them, it's probably a good business decision, but it sucks for people who just wanted a linear evolution of what the car has always been.

Don't forget what the government essentially forces them to do. No one seems to want a heavier car; but, it has to be to meet safety requirements. My only real complaint now, with the death of the STI, is why couldn't they do "better" with the boxer engine and emissions? In the allotted time? Well, if the next one is a hybrid, I probably won't care as long as it's fun. If it has electric assisted acceleration, I'll probably like that. Loved the acceleration of every EV I've driven. Starting with the Leaf. Was really impressed. I won't care if the car weighs 5000lbs if it accelerates as quick, or even quicker than it does now. Putting cladding on the car doesn't mean they are trying to sway CUV buyers. Pretty ludicrous idea in my opinion. Sounds more like childish tantrum(and I have my own on certain things). It's time to let it go. It's not going to change. Buy one and enjoy what the WRX has always provided(beyond sedan/hatch part) or don't.
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:07 PM   #10520
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You sure? I havenít seen any but I see a ton of stock VAís with blown FA20s on Reddit.
Depends on what your definition of "plenty" means.
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:37 PM   #10521
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Quick search and I got 5 independent engine failures *shrug*

Not enough people are tracking the new WRX (because it's **** for that) to generate the engine failures we are seeing with the BRZ/GR86.
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:53 PM   #10522
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The FA24 oil system from the BRZ is not the same as in the WRX and there haven't been "plenty" of blown of FA24DIT engines. In fact, it is incredible how well they respond to aftermarket tuning and how they are holding up so far. There is so much misinformation in this thread...
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:59 PM   #10523
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Tuning is not a 'yes/no' thing. Some cars accept mods far better than others, make more power more safely, etc. This car does that, and from what I read it was intentional; they made it both better to drive stock, and with the ability to create more power safer when tuned.
Correct. Subaru left a lot on the table with the FA24DIT. It can handle a ton more power than the FA20DIT from the previous gen. The OEM tune is also vastly improved.

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Old 07-14-2023, 11:06 PM   #10524
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Correct. Subaru left a lot on the table with the FA24DIT. It can handle a ton more power than the FA20DIT from the previous gen. The OEM tune is also vastly improved.
Itís the same engine with increased bore, redesigned pistons (still cast) and slightly stronger rods (still not forged.) CR is the same. Nobody knows how much power it can safely handle because it hasnít been out that long. The majority of the false claims in this thread are from you. Please do us a favor and leave this forum, weíve had enough of your overly-glamorous bull****.

Also, dyno numbers are WORTHLESS. There is so much variation between dynos. I ran my old car on a dyno and it made 20 whp over stock. The car was stock. My friend ran his tuned car on a different dyno and it made the same power as mine. Of course ď400 whp WRX!!!!Ē will generate the clicks but anyone with half a brain knows to take that with a grain of salt.

Please remain subjective and stop sensationalizing everything you read, or donít post at all. You provide zero value to this forum and donít even own an Impreza or WRX. All you do is take info from YouTube and glam everything up without any actual credible or verifiable sources. We have seriously all had enough of it. Nobody cares about your posts or what you have to say. Save yourself the energy and go someplace else.

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Old 07-15-2023, 12:22 AM   #10525
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Putting cladding on the car doesn't mean they are trying to sway CUV buyers. Pretty ludicrous idea in my opinion. Sounds more like childish tantrum(and I have my own on certain things). It's time to let it go. It's not going to change. Buy one and enjoy what the WRX has always provided(beyond sedan/hatch part) or don't.
Eh. Anecdote incoming, but I have a co-worker who sold his Forester for a plastic-cladded WRX. He said he wanted a FXT but since we don't get one he settled for a CVT powered wrx. I never said they're going after bread and butter CUV drivers, they're going after the fringe folks who could be happy in just about anything but they settle for a CUV because it provides most of what they want.

I've moved on from Subaru almost entirely. I'll never buy a CVT powered anything again, so no family cars will come from Subaru. And unless they start producing a fun hatchback EV car, I likely won't be back. Although I'm enjoying my current 3 car setup a lot. In some ways, Subaru ditching the hatchback opened my eyes to another path. Ditching the "do everything" performance car has let me put intention into each of our cars... an ICE SUV for snow and road trips, an EV hatchback for commuting, and a convertible rwd blast of a car to get my stick-shift jollies out in... After my tibial plateau fracture back in march I wasn't sure I'd be back in a stick shift, but here I am, less than 4 months later I bought myself a stick and am loving every minute of it - top down and rwd making me forget about my golf R...

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