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Old 07-15-2023, 01:10 AM   #10526
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If I could justify having multiple vehicles, I'd be right there with you. However, I think it has less to do with open eyes and more to do with deeper pockets. Subarus are strongly competitive when considering overall value and they tend to occupy a small stable for a small family. If one can afford to have multiple vehicles for multiple things then they'll always find a vehicle that outshines any Subaru by a relatively large margin.

I couldn't convince my mom to seriously consider an Ascent over her Envoy XL because she loves the cargo space in the Envoy over the passenger volume of the Ascent. I left her the Crosstrek back in Alaska and she was finally forced to drive it after having some troubles with the Envoy. She fell in love with it. Now she's fixed up her Envoy and she switches between the two at will. I don't really see the sense in owning a CUV along with an SUV, but it works for her.

Anyway, the WRX is plenty enough car. The relatively low redline isn't meant for highway pulls. The looks can be fixed, for a price, as has always been the case. Some have a principle of keeping their car stock, but many don't, and it seems plenty rewarding for aftermarket parts. I don't think the WRX is hopeless or bad. It's just a completely different world from 2002 and things have changed for many car enthusiasts since then.
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Old 07-15-2023, 01:23 AM   #10527
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The FA24DIT was designed for torque, not HP. Straight from Subaru themselves. It is an SUV motor. They couldíve changed the valve train and raised the RPM, but like everything else on the car, they half-assed it.
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Old 07-15-2023, 03:22 AM   #10528
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Subaru isnít what it used to be before. It was a company with a cult following because of the GD era that lasted for nearly two decades. Many manufacturers dream of having a model that does this.

Somehow in 4 years theyíve almost completely destroyed the image they built.
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Old 07-15-2023, 05:49 AM   #10529
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There is a ton of great information on his channel.
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Old 07-15-2023, 11:00 AM   #10530
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Quick search and I got 5 independent engine failures *shrug*

Not enough people are tracking the new WRX (because it's **** for that) to generate the engine failures we are seeing with the BRZ/GR86.

Are you serious with this statement? Because you can't find the negative you're looking for, it's that people not watching enough? And that just miraculously happens with this motor, that has been out for 5 model years now?




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Eh. Anecdote incoming, but I have a co-worker who sold his Forester for a plastic-cladded WRX. He said he wanted a FXT but since we don't get one he settled for a CVT powered wrx. I never said they're going after bread and butter CUV drivers, they're going after the fringe folks who could be happy in just about anything but they settle for a CUV because it provides most of what they want.

I've moved on from Subaru almost entirely. I'll never buy a CVT powered anything again, so no family cars will come from Subaru. And unless they start producing a fun hatchback EV car, I likely won't be back. Although I'm enjoying my current 3 car setup a lot. In some ways, Subaru ditching the hatchback opened my eyes to another path. Ditching the "do everything" performance car has let me put intention into each of our cars... an ICE SUV for snow and road trips, an EV hatchback for commuting, and a convertible rwd blast of a car to get my stick-shift jollies out in... After my tibial plateau fracture back in march I wasn't sure I'd be back in a stick shift, but here I am, less than 4 months later I bought myself a stick and am loving every minute of it - top down and rwd making me forget about my golf R...

They are going after the exact same people they have always gone after. They made a design flub. Same as the Bugeye. Just a worst one this time. WRX buyers come from every angle. The one that always makes me confused(shouldn't now after all these years of seeing it) is the truck owner trading for one(and then vice versa later). People have a serious misconception of the cladding and hark on it soooooooo much because they don't like it. It's time to move on. I bitched about things for too long until I upset one of my sources with it and lost the source That's when I learned my lesson about dragging something on too long. Was at a Subaru conference at the beginning of the week. I voiced my opinions on several things. They heard me and now I'll find the next thing to complain about.

And this wasn't directed at you as it was a general thing about this site.


And glad to hear of your "rapid" recovery. I could imagine a stir crazy feeling of not being able to do something you like doing(shifting).
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Old 07-15-2023, 11:16 AM   #10531
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ď600 hpĒ WRX. 30 minutes of complete rambling and not a single shot of the engine bay. Donít forget to like and subscribe though!
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Old 07-15-2023, 04:44 PM   #10532
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Old 07-15-2023, 04:58 PM   #10533
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If I could justify having multiple vehicles, I'd be right there with you. However, I think it has less to do with open eyes and more to do with deeper pockets. Subarus are strongly competitive when considering overall value and they tend to occupy a small stable for a small family. If one can afford to have multiple vehicles for multiple things then they'll always find a vehicle that outshines any Subaru by a relatively large margin.
That's a fair point. But when I left Subaru it was because they abandoned the do everything performance hatch, not because I was going to a bonus car. I went to the VW R first.
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Old 07-15-2023, 05:37 PM   #10534
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They are going after the exact same people they have always gone after. They made a design flub. Same as the Bugeye. Just a worst one this time. WRX buyers come from every angle. The one that always makes me confused(shouldn't now after all these years of seeing it) is the truck owner trading for one(and then vice versa later). People have a serious misconception of the cladding and hark on it soooooooo much because they don't like it. It's time to move on. I bitched about things for too long until I upset one of my sources with it and lost the source That's when I learned my lesson about dragging something on too long. Was at a Subaru conference at the beginning of the week. I voiced my opinions on several things. They heard me and now I'll find the next thing to complain about.

And this wasn't directed at you as it was a general thing about this site.

And glad to hear of your "rapid" recovery. I could imagine a stir crazy feeling of not being able to do something you like doing(shifting).
The aesthetic is so much different than it always has been. Changing that up is for sure a change in targets, imo. Maybe not a complete change, but at least a shift. It's not just this website, it's also pretty much every car journalist as well. I can understand Subaru being tired of hearing about it, but hopefully that spurs a change...

3-1/2 months post surgery and my surgeon said I'm 1-1/2 to 2 months ahead of expectations. Doing everything right I guess. Still can't mountain bike, run, or do anything with impacts so I do still feel a bit limited, but those limitations lift in a few weeks.
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Old 07-15-2023, 06:22 PM   #10535
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The aesthetic is so much different than it always has been. Changing that up is for sure a change in targets, imo. Maybe not a complete change, but at least a shift. It's not just this website, it's also pretty much every car journalist as well. I can understand Subaru being tired of hearing about it, but hopefully that spurs a change...

3-1/2 months post surgery and my surgeon said I'm 1-1/2 to 2 months ahead of expectations. Doing everything right I guess. Still can't mountain bike, run, or do anything with impacts so I do still feel a bit limited, but those limitations lift in a few weeks.



I lump car journalists in with this site. They expect the same things. They pretty much lost my considerations when that one mag compared the Crosstrek segment......complained how "slow" the Crosstrek was.....didn't say a word about the "slowness" of the other cars in the comparison.....yet the Crosstrek was the fastest. Just seemed to be looking for something to bitch about the Subaru. I just watch a few that do videos now so it's easier to see where they are doing something I agree/disagree with and see why so.


Keep up the speedy recovery!
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Old 07-15-2023, 08:52 PM   #10536
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Old 07-16-2023, 01:44 PM   #10537
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Thatís insane!
You fell for the clickbait trap again.
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Old 07-16-2023, 01:58 PM   #10538
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Some people just have excess pigeon feed, I guess.
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Old 07-16-2023, 03:20 PM   #10539
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That's a fair point. But when I left Subaru it was because they abandoned the do everything performance hatch, not because I was going to a bonus car. I went to the VW R first.
I might be following in your footsteps, for the very same reason.
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Old 07-16-2023, 08:00 PM   #10540
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I might be following in your footsteps, for the very same reason.
I would, but the infotainment......ideal car though.
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Old 07-16-2023, 08:23 PM   #10541
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I would, but the infotainment......ideal car though.
Yeap. They are also a bit sterile too. On the bright side, VW is adding physical buttons to "fix" the infotainment with the upcoming face lift but the manual option maybe gone .
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Old 07-16-2023, 10:38 PM   #10542
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I would, but the infotainment......ideal car though.
One of the main reasons I havenít pulled the trigger yet.
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Old 07-17-2023, 02:21 AM   #10543
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I don't know if I could justify the price, and I've also has a terrible vw lemon law experienced I documented in the OT. I'd be nervous. Spending $13k over a new wrx? Yeesh. Seems dumb.
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Old 07-17-2023, 02:23 AM   #10544
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One of the main reasons I havenít pulled the trigger yet.
On a GTI S you get two buttons. I had
One for a little bit
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Old 07-17-2023, 10:59 AM   #10545
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One of the main reasons I havenít pulled the trigger yet.
ADM and availability are the big killers for me.
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Old 07-17-2023, 07:00 PM   #10546
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One of the main reasons I havenít pulled the trigger yet.
You donít buy a Golf R for the infotainment.

ďZoMg need muh physical buttonz!Ē

People were parroting this in 2007 too when the iPhone came out.
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Old 07-18-2023, 11:44 AM   #10547
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You donít buy a Golf R for the infotainment.

ďZoMg need muh physical buttonz!Ē

People were parroting this in 2007 too when the iPhone came out.
One of the main reasons I won't touch a Telsa is the lack of physical controls.

The Golf R's infotainment & haptic BS are massive marks against it, lack of availability means I won't even get the chance to give it a fair shake though.

"Touchscreen all the things" is bad design; haptic in lieu of physical buttons, especially on a steering wheel where they can easily be accidentally engaged, is bad design; piano black plastic should not be on steering wheels, consoles, door cards, or anywhere else that is frequently touched/accessed, but manufacturers insist on putting it in high touch points.

I am not going to reward a manufacturer for their bad design by giving them my money/buying their poorly designed product.
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Old 07-18-2023, 12:51 PM   #10548
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You don't buy a Golf R for the infotainment.
No, you certainly don't, but it's one of the major touch points of the car so it's pretty reasonable for someone to complain about it, and for that to deter them from buying said car. The WRX infotainment is equally terrible, imo.

IMO, the Golf R hit the peak of interior quality in the MK7.5. I absolutely loved mine, it was perfect in every way. Great mix of screens, buttons, and touch capability.
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Old 07-18-2023, 12:53 PM   #10549
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I don't think the FA24DIT has the same issue.
I think there are enough videos on youtube of shops dropping their oil pans and finding RTV in the pickup tube to say it does have the same issue.

I wonder if there's anyone that's dropped the pan on the 2.4 from any other platforms to see if the same issue persists, as someone who owns an OBW, it's in the back of my mind for sure.

but then, my wife isn't pushing it on a track, she's not even pushing it on the freeway, so it's probably ok.

further, with the 2.4, if the rumors are true and Toyota are moving to a different engine for their next iteration of the car, it doesn't make the engine look any better from a quality standpoint.




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Old 07-18-2023, 04:17 PM   #10550
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I think there are enough videos on youtube of shops dropping their oil pans and finding RTV in the pickup tube to say it does have the same issue.

I wonder if there's anyone that's dropped the pan on the 2.4 from any other platforms to see if the same issue persists, as someone who owns an OBW, it's in the back of my mind for sure.

but then, my wife isn't pushing it on a track, she's not even pushing it on the freeway, so it's probably ok.

further, with the 2.4, if the rumors are true and Toyota are moving to a different engine for their next iteration of the car, it doesn't make the engine look any better from a quality standpoint.
Willing to be anything current generation with a Subaru badge has this issue.
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