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Old 11-30-2023, 12:09 PM   #11251
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Golf R is cool, but there are some negatives (not that the WRX doesn't have a ton too). The clutch flops to the floor, the shifter feels like a joystick, instead of sliding into a gear (all VW/Audi manuals), and VWVortex is flooded with mechanical/electronic/quality control issues for the Mk8.

It's also smaller than the VB, which if you need more rear seat or trunk space (same issue for GRC), then it might not fit your lifestyle. That is an issue now for me.

Yes, Subaru (allegedly) thinks it can get away with charging Golf R prices for a WRX, without Golf R performance/premiumness.
There are drawbacks to every car in this bracket, I attempt to take a pragmatic approach to it.
Shifter feel & clutch engagement issues can be improved and/or completely remedied in the aftermarket and are inexpensive fixes, but yeah, VW didn't even try (at least in the Mk7 or 7.5 GTis I had test driven).

EVERY WRX before the VA was a combination of sloppy and notchy at the same time, Pitch stop was partially to blame for the EJ cars, I replaced that, as well as shifter bushings & trans mount in my car (and a bunch of other bushings), where the VA felt sloppy & rubbery, which was worse, haven't experienced the VB but it's probably like the VA, again can be remedied in the aftermarket; STi shifter has always been pretty good to great, for obvious reasons.
Mechanical & electrical issues cannot be easily or inexpensively fixed in the aftermarket. WRX mechanically, is out for me; FA24 w/6krpm redline might be able to be addressed with a tune, but the open diffs certainly can't.
MK8 Golf R is a prime example of why I will not buy the first MY or two of a vehicle (there are a few exceptions, GR corolla was one of them).

Neither can vehicle dimensions; whenever I test drive a car I stuff my car seats/boosters/whatever in the back seat before the test drive. I also climb behind my seat with it adjusted for me as the driver.

The VB WRX only has slightly more passenger room in the rear than the Golf R, it's almost negligible really, the GR Corolla on the other hand, definitely smaller back passenger room, but still passed my "kids in kid seat test" with a rear facing behind the passenger seat & a booster behind the driver, at least in the vanilla/XSE corolla hatch I did a test fit in prior to the GRs release, but now that my eldest is out of the booster and my youngest is forward facing, even less room is required.

Grain of salt on interior space: the BRZ/GR86 pass my kid seat tests as well; I'm 5'9" ~160, my wife is 5'4". I can also sit "behind myself" in the BRZ/86; footwell is a bit cramped though & wouldn't be awesome on long road trips for me in the back, but that car wouldn't be a road tripper anyways. (nor will I buy one currently, because, FA24).

Cargo volume is similar across all, but with the WRX it's a trunk so horizontal, where the other two are hatchbacks, so it's more vertical; it's the "hatch vs. Sedan" thing, which both lose out to a wagon (which doesn't really exist anymore, and yes, I'm still salty about that).

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If you're willing to travel, it doesn't seem too hard to find a GR Corolla for MSRP or close to it. A Core with the performance package for under $40k seems like a bargain. That's what I'd be shopping for if I was in the market.
2024s now have a Core, Premium & Circuit trim (no Morizo) - the Premium is basically a "loaded" Core w/synthetic leather & heated seats, Circuit continues on with the carbon roof, bulged hood w/vents & accent stitching, forged wheels where the others get cast, and some other specific visual stuff.

A Core with the Performance pack (unheated cloth seats, as the "cold weather package" is no longer available) can be had for ~38.4k after destination, Premium for ~41k, Circuit is 46k.

So if you want a core w/heated seats a leftover 2023 is the only way to get one currently.

Core has white,black & red ($425 extra)
Premium also offers "heavy metal" ($425 extra)
Circuit has white & "blue flame" only (no up-charge)
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I had hoped the Morizo gear ratios would show up in at least the Circuit this year with the Morizo going away, ah well, maybe the next special edition will get it.
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Old 11-30-2023, 12:10 PM   #11252
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The Golf R doesn't even feel premium anymore. A lot of cost cutting went into the current gen. As far as pricing goes, I reckon something like WRX GT trim alone still outsells the Golf R in the US. Very few people are willing to spend that much money on a small hatchback. Lack of space, safety issues, reliability, dealer service and so on...Besides the manual is gone, as much as it sucked, you can't even get one anymore. Finally, a car is a sum of its parts. Subaru can 100 percent get away with charging 45K for the GT, TR models in a market where people are asked to spend well over 50K on Golfs, Corollas and Civics.


GR Corolla starting price, $36,100 before destination
Golf R price, $45,455.
Golf GTI price, $31,765.
Civic Type R price, $44,795

Like every one of your posts, you skew facts, numbers, etc and don't understand basic math. All can be had at MSRP with a little research. If you want to take a bath and get ripped off on a new car purchase, go ahead. No different than buying a house or consumer product, you have to do your research then you can get the best price.

You're nothing more than a Boobaru troll and a clown.

Oh the 2024 Golf R offers a manual transmission. It goes away with MY2025, not 2024.
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Old 11-30-2023, 12:41 PM   #11253
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MSRP is irrelevant if you cannot get those cars at or close to it, which you cannot . Go troll somewhere else. Did you get banned from GRC forums or something, lol.
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Old 11-30-2023, 01:10 PM   #11254
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The auto still needs to be released for the GR, so we'll probably see some price drops in the used market. Most of them sit at 41-43k used here in CA.
But what I definitely appreciate are the brakes included on the Core. Don't know if theyre any good but they have the slotted style rotors on, not too sure about the pads
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Old 11-30-2023, 03:41 PM   #11255
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The Golf R doesn't even feel premium anymore. A lot of cost cutting went into the current gen. As far as pricing goes, I reckon something like WRX GT trim alone still outsells the Golf R in the US. Very few people are willing to spend that much money on a small hatchback. Lack of space, safety issues, reliability, dealer service and so on...Besides the manual is gone, as much as it sucked, you can't even get one anymore. Finally, a car is a sum of its parts. Subaru can 100 percent get away with charging 45K for the GT, TR models in a market where people are asked to spend well over 50K on Golfs, Corollas and Civics.
actions speak louder than words, you have every opportunity to buy a new WRX, yet you chose something else, so why, if the WRX is such a great deal, did you do that?

at the end of the day, the WRX is a great deal, just not when you're comparing against the GRC, CTR, or VWR, and when you are looking at a WRX in the price point of any of those cars, the WRX just doesn't compete. if I had wanted another WRX sedan, then yeah, I'd have gone for a Premium, and probably it would have been driven off the lot at 30k, and that would be a smoking deal for what you get.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:01 PM   #11256
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The TR is top of my list, right next to the Giulia Veloce, once itís time to replace my current ride. I am actually interested in purchasing this car and I do put my mouth where my money is. I had a VA WRX for over 5 yearsÖUnlike the resident trolls that have no interest in this car but yet keep spamming this thread. Cheers!
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:08 PM   #11257
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OH yeah hatch backs have no room in them and the boxer is so much more reliable than the EA888 VW engine.



Even a base Golf is more premium than the WRX. That is just a fact. There is absolutely NOTHING premium about an Impreza. It is a decent commuter car and is equipped nominally and is acceptable, but premium. Nope, sorry.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Hatchback tend to have less trunk space when the seats are up. The VB is over a foot longer than the Golf R. The VB's trunk is really massive.

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There are drawbacks to every car in this bracket, I attempt to take a pragmatic approach to it.
Shifter feel & clutch engagement issues can be improved and/or completely remedied in the aftermarket and are inexpensive fixes, but yeah, VW didn't even try (at least in the Mk7 or 7.5 GTis I had test driven).

EVERY WRX before the VA was a combination of sloppy and notchy at the same time, Pitch stop was partially to blame for the EJ cars, I replaced that, as well as shifter bushings & trans mount in my car (and a bunch of other bushings), where the VA felt sloppy & rubbery, which was worse, haven't experienced the VB but it's probably like the VA, again can be remedied in the aftermarket; STi shifter has always been pretty good to great, for obvious reasons.
Mechanical & electrical issues cannot be easily or inexpensively fixed in the aftermarket. WRX mechanically, is out for me; FA24 w/6krpm redline might be able to be addressed with a tune, but the open diffs certainly can't.
MK8 Golf R is a prime example of why I will not buy the first MY or two of a vehicle (there are a few exceptions, GR corolla was one of them).

Neither can vehicle dimensions; whenever I test drive a car I stuff my car seats/boosters/whatever in the back seat before the test drive. I also climb behind my seat with it adjusted for me as the driver.

The VB WRX only has slightly more passenger room in the rear than the Golf R, it's almost negligible really, the GR Corolla on the other hand, definitely smaller back passenger room, but still passed my "kids in kid seat test" with a rear facing behind the passenger seat & a booster behind the driver, at least in the vanilla/XSE corolla hatch I did a test fit in prior to the GRs release, but now that my eldest is out of the booster and my youngest is forward facing, even less room is required.

Grain of salt on interior space: the BRZ/GR86 pass my kid seat tests as well; I'm 5'9" ~160, my wife is 5'4". I can also sit "behind myself" in the BRZ/86; footwell is a bit cramped though & wouldn't be awesome on long road trips for me in the back, but that car wouldn't be a road tripper anyways. (nor will I buy one currently, because, FA24).

Cargo volume is similar across all, but with the WRX it's a trunk so horizontal, where the other two are hatchbacks, so it's more vertical; it's the "hatch vs. Sedan" thing, which both lose out to a wagon (which doesn't really exist anymore, and yes, I'm still salty about that).



2024s now have a Core, Premium & Circuit trim (no Morizo) - the Premium is basically a "loaded" Core w/synthetic leather & heated seats, Circuit continues on with the carbon roof, bulged hood w/vents & accent stitching, forged wheels where the others get cast, and some other specific visual stuff.

A Core with the Performance pack (unheated cloth seats, as the "cold weather package" is no longer available) can be had for ~38.4k after destination, Premium for ~41k, Circuit is 46k.

So if you want a core w/heated seats a leftover 2023 is the only way to get one currently.

Core has white,black & red ($425 extra)
Premium also offers "heavy metal" ($425 extra)
Circuit has white & "blue flame" only (no up-charge)
-Blue Flame is the only color I want

I had hoped the Morizo gear ratios would show up in at least the Circuit this year with the Morizo going away, ah well, maybe the next special edition will get it.
I'm surprised you felt the Golf R had similar rear seat space as the VB.

Golf R = 35" rear legroom
VB = 37" rear legroom

My Giulia has about 35" rear legroom and it's tight for me at 6'1 and my rear facing infant seat fits, but with the front seat up a lot.

Funny, the Giulia and Golf R have about the same front/rear legroom.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:41 PM   #11258
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Hatchback tend to have less trunk space when the seats are up. The VB is over a foot longer than the Golf R. The VB's trunk is really massive.


I'm surprised you felt the Golf R had similar rear seat space as the VB.

Golf R = 35" rear legroom
VB = 37" rear legroom

My Giulia has about 35" rear legroom and it's tight for me at 6'1 and my rear facing infant seat fits, but with the front seat up a lot.

Funny, the Giulia and Golf R have about the same front/rear legroom.
That's why I gave the "grain of salt" info:

I'm 5'9" ~160lbs; My IS350 has less rear leg room @32.2" than all except the GR Corolla, but there is plenty of rear leg room in my IS for me behind myself. VA/Mk7 GTI were similar enough, the corolla hatch was noticeably smaller, but still fine.

To the WRX/Golf R rear passenger space feeling, it could also be affected by the fact that the headroom for the rear passenger is better in the Golf R (GTI in my experience) being that it's a hatch.

to cargo capacity, seats up, which is all that really matter to me since I have two kids, Golf R is 19.9cuft, WRX is 12.5cuft, it's a matter of vertical vs. horizontal orientation, as well as perception.

I prefer a hatch to a sedan, but a wagon to both. The WRX is "longer" but it has way more front overhang because of the front engine layout, wheelbase is 2" longer too, and yes, it has a trunk, but again, flip the trunk vertically and that's what a hatchback is.
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Old 11-30-2023, 05:35 PM   #11259
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Hatchback tend to have less trunk space when the seats are up. The VB is over a foot longer than the Golf R. The VB's trunk is really massive.
yet, when you compare the cargo volume you wonder why it's actually a foot longer.

WRX = 12.5
GRC = 17.8
VWR = 19.9
Crosstrek = 20.8

not to mention when you open that trunk space, the amount of area to access the actual trunk is tiny. when I open my GRC the space looks small, but that's because the opening itself is so large.

crosstrek added for reference, if Subaru decided to make a hatchback version of the WRX, that would be a very compelling argument, if cargo volume was a concern, and it would probably come with a spare tire too!

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I'm surprised you felt the Golf R had similar rear seat space as the VB.

Golf R = 35" rear legroom
VB = 37" rear legroom

My Giulia has about 35" rear legroom and it's tight for me at 6'1 and my rear facing infant seat fits, but with the front seat up a lot.

Funny, the Giulia and Golf R have about the same front/rear legroom.
that was kind of my point earlier about interior volume (and maybe that was in the other thread), once you reach big enough to be comfy, do you really need more? especially if we're just talking about 2" difference?
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Old 11-30-2023, 05:37 PM   #11260
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If I wanted more legroom in a sporty sedan package, I still wouldn't get WRX: Elantra N has all the combined legroom (and cargo space !) I would need with an engine, transmission(s), brakes and suspension that do not need any excuses or explanations (a.k.a. a fully and properly thought out product).
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Old 11-30-2023, 07:57 PM   #11261
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yet, when you compare the cargo volume you wonder why it's actually a foot longer.

WRX = 12.5
GRC = 17.8
VWR = 19.9
Crosstrek = 20.8

not to mention when you open that trunk space, the amount of area to access the actual trunk is tiny. when I open my GRC the space looks small, but that's because the opening itself is so large.

crosstrek added for reference, if Subaru decided to make a hatchback version of the WRX, that would be a very compelling argument, if cargo volume was a concern, and it would probably come with a spare tire too!



that was kind of my point earlier about interior volume (and maybe that was in the other thread), once you reach big enough to be comfy, do you really need more? especially if we're just talking about 2" difference?
The trunk of the VB is huge. Itís way bigger than my Giulia and itís rated as being less cu. ft. My full size stroller fit with tons of extra space, long ways and sideways, in the VB. The opening is smaller, but the interior is massive for a WRX.

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Old 11-30-2023, 10:25 PM   #11262
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When I read all the comments my conclusion is that some would never buy the VB even if it was STi. The oem fender flares are far too offensive. Ironic because Carlton fenders are the rage around here. I admit the oem fenders are not wide and have what consider a modern oem look. I see similar cladding on other vehicles on the road, I donít find them offensive. Some would warm up to VB if STi, fender flares be dammed. Itís interesting how everybody here is so passionate and unique about their preference. All come at it from our own unique wants, need and perspective. It is kind of humorous that even those that donít like the car are still here telling us. Iíd like to see more people arriving here to announce they just purchased a VB wrx. I see more and more around here on Long Island, I actually like them. I flash a polite peace ***9996;***65039; to them as I go by on my beautiful bugeye or Saabaru.



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When I read all the comments my conclusion is that some would never buy the VB even if it was STi. The oem fender flares are far too offensive. Ironic because Carlton fenders are the rage around here. I admit the oem fenders are not wide and have what consider a modern oem look. I see similar cladding on other vehicles on the road, I donít find them offensive. Some would warm up to VB if STi, fender flares be dammed. Itís interesting how everybody here is so passionate and unique about their preference. All come at it from our own unique wants, need and perspective. It is kind of humorous that even those that donít like the car are still here telling us. Iíd like to see more people arriving here to announce they just purchased a VB wrx. I see more and more around here on Long Island, I actually like them. I flash a polite peace ***9996;***65039; to them as I go by on my beautiful bugeye or Saabaru.



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They are all FB Group users. Which is usually a cesspool of newbs asking the same question 1000x. I got a 2.4T sub forum made but people arenít showing up.
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They are all FB Group users. Which is usually a cesspool of newbs asking the same question 1000x. I got a 2.4T sub forum made but people arenít showing up.
Unfortunately it seems like forums are dying off. It's sad, because like you, I hate the FB groups for exactly the same reasons you mentioned. Also, all of the Facebook groups were created by parts Sellers, so there's tons of bias, one way or the other.
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Unfortunately it seems like forums are dying off. It's sad, because like you, I hate the FB groups for exactly the same reasons you mentioned. Also, all of the Facebook groups were created by parts Sellers, so there's tons of bias, one way or the other.
Yup. Each time I join one I leave a day or so later. I only stay in my local Tesla group, but even then everyday itís ďWhich car wash? What tires? Where to get inspected?Ē Search!
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When I read all the comments my conclusion is that some would never buy the VB even if it was STi. The oem fender flares are far too offensive.
in december of 2021 my wife and I bought her OBW. I told the sales guy when we picked it up that I would be back for a STI when they released it to order mine.

this was before they had their terse 'it's canceled' message.

of course, this was also before the GRC was official.

so I probably would have ended up in the GRC anyway because I hate sedans. if I'm comparing two similar cars hatch/sedan, the hatch is always going to win.

I mean, yeah, the WRX fenders look a bit unique, and the rear bumper is unforgivable, but hey, if it's fun to drive and does what you need/want, that's something you can get over, and I know I would have, and maybe even I would have come to appreciate the unique styling, or at least found a way to mask it.
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WRX down -37% November 2023 vs 2022. Now up +42% YTD. Go get your discounts.

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I'm sure it's not so easy as I'm suggesting, but maybe they should cut back on WRX assembly and make more BRZs.

A bunch of WRX discounts at local dealers and not a single BRZ available in a 150 mile radius.
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I'm sure it's not so easy as I'm suggesting, but maybe they should cut back on WRX assembly and make more BRZs.

A bunch of WRX discounts at local dealers and not a single BRZ available in a 150 mile radius.
Iíd assume that both lines are switching to MY2024 cars. Iíd imagine the BRZ is a tough sell in the winter.
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I wonder if Toyota controls how many BRZ/GR86 are produced, and at what ratio?

because that would be simple.
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I wonder if Toyota controls how many BRZ/GR86 are produced, and at what ratio?

because that would be simple.
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Iíd assume that both lines are switching to MY2024 cars. Iíd imagine the BRZ is a tough sell in the winter.
What's winter?
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The upcoming cold season for the major Subaru markets.
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There are drawbacks to every car in this bracket, I attempt to take a pragmatic approach to it.
Shifter feel & clutch engagement issues can be improved and/or completely remedied in the aftermarket and are inexpensive fixes, but yeah, VW didn't even try (at least in the Mk7 or 7.5 GTis I had test driven).

EVERY WRX before the VA was a combination of sloppy and notchy at the same time, Pitch stop was partially to blame for the EJ cars, I replaced that, as well as shifter bushings & trans mount in my car (and a bunch of other bushings), where the VA felt sloppy & rubbery, which was worse, haven't experienced the VB but it's probably like the VA, again can be remedied in the aftermarket; STi shifter has always been pretty good to great, for obvious reasons.
Mechanical & electrical issues cannot be easily or inexpensively fixed in the aftermarket. WRX mechanically, is out for me; FA24 w/6krpm redline might be able to be addressed with a tune, but the open diffs certainly can't.
MK8 Golf R is a prime example of why I will not buy the first MY or two of a vehicle (there are a few exceptions, GR corolla was one of them).

Neither can vehicle dimensions; whenever I test drive a car I stuff my car seats/boosters/whatever in the back seat before the test drive. I also climb behind my seat with it adjusted for me as the driver.

The VB WRX only has slightly more passenger room in the rear than the Golf R, it's almost negligible really, the GR Corolla on the other hand, definitely smaller back passenger room, but still passed my "kids in kid seat test" with a rear facing behind the passenger seat & a booster behind the driver, at least in the vanilla/XSE corolla hatch I did a test fit in prior to the GRs release, but now that my eldest is out of the booster and my youngest is forward facing, even less room is required.

Grain of salt on interior space: the BRZ/GR86 pass my kid seat tests as well; I'm 5'9" ~160, my wife is 5'4". I can also sit "behind myself" in the BRZ/86; footwell is a bit cramped though & wouldn't be awesome on long road trips for me in the back, but that car wouldn't be a road tripper anyways. (nor will I buy one currently, because, FA24).

Cargo volume is similar across all, but with the WRX it's a trunk so horizontal, where the other two are hatchbacks, so it's more vertical; it's the "hatch vs. Sedan" thing, which both lose out to a wagon (which doesn't really exist anymore, and yes, I'm still salty about that).



2024s now have a Core, Premium & Circuit trim (no Morizo) - the Premium is basically a "loaded" Core w/synthetic leather & heated seats, Circuit continues on with the carbon roof, bulged hood w/vents & accent stitching, forged wheels where the others get cast, and some other specific visual stuff.

A Core with the Performance pack (unheated cloth seats, as the "cold weather package" is no longer available) can be had for ~38.4k after destination, Premium for ~41k, Circuit is 46k.

So if you want a core w/heated seats a leftover 2023 is the only way to get one currently.

Core has white,black & red ($425 extra)
Premium also offers "heavy metal" ($425 extra)
Circuit has white & "blue flame" only (no up-charge)
-Blue Flame is the only color I want

I had hoped the Morizo gear ratios would show up in at least the Circuit this year with the Morizo going away, ah well, maybe the next special edition will get it.
Test drove the GRC Core with PP, CTR, Golf R and the WRX and the GRC was by far my least favorite. Horrendous interior, I mean borderline Daewoo levels of cheap. The three cylinder also seemed like more of detriment than a benefit. It's powerful, but feels maxed and has trouble getting to speed. The handling characteristics were also odd, much more FWD bias than I anticipated regardless of setting.

The Golf R with its new trick diff from the RS3 is magnitudes better in my opinion, but you can't go wrong in this class I suppose. CTR also shocked me with how good it is, but I just couldn't go full FWD at the end of the day.
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Test drove the GRC Core with PP, CTR, Golf R and the WRX and the GRC was by far my least favorite. Horrendous interior, I mean borderline Daewoo levels of cheap. The three cylinder also seemed like more of detriment than a benefit. It's powerful, but feels maxed and has trouble getting to speed. The handling characteristics were also odd, much more FWD bias than I anticipated regardless of setting.



The Golf R with its new trick diff from the RS3 is magnitudes better in my opinion, but you can't go wrong in this class I suppose. CTR also shocked me with how good it is, but I just couldn't go full FWD at the end of the day.


So you purchased the Golf R ?


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