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Old 07-12-2023, 11:26 AM   #401
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Like playing chess with a pigeon....
Seriously, best quote I have heard all week. Will steal this.
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:10 AM   #402
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HPD/race track right hander g-forces are not the same as commuter on-ramp g-forces.

... just pointing out that running you engine near redline constantly and pulling high-g turns & braking events around a five mile loop is far more stressful than rushing up an onramp then turning on CC for the majority of the ride to hit those high g-forces again towards the end of your commute.
Pause the video on the 1st big dip right hand turn around 4:35 and through the turn. What are the RPMs? Other big dip? Same thing.

Now, contrast that with left hand turns (all of them) and look for any dip. *crickets*

Are you going to say you never hit those mid/high, not peak, RPMs on public roads in right hand turns at or near the limit of grip occasionally? I agree tracking is stressful. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something. I'm saying that it's QUITE possible to hit those Gs and RPMs in fairly benign, empty, flowing right turns, when certain conditions exist, on public roads.

Should you do it all the time? I never said you should - and you're ignorant for even implying it, i.e. fast and furious lifestyle. But, I'll give you a pass on it, because "chess with a pigeon" was a great comment.
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Old 07-14-2023, 10:35 AM   #403
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My favorite local turn is a sharp right near my parents and when there's no one there (usually) I'm ripping around that thing.
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Old 07-14-2023, 05:11 PM   #404
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Why don’t the other manufacturers have this issue if it’s “not a big deal?” It is 100% an issue that Subaru is too lazy to address. I wouldn’t touch one of these cars with a 39’6” pole. Subaru is becoming the next 1980s Chrysler with how awful their powertrain QC is.
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Old 07-17-2023, 03:43 PM   #405
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Subaru is debuting something at Subiefest...

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Old 07-17-2023, 04:00 PM   #406
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BRZ tS, I bet.
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Old 07-17-2023, 05:05 PM   #407
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BRZ tS is the only way I'd get back into a BRZ at this point. I spent so much money making my 2013 BRZ Limited an OEM+ "tS", only to have them bring it stateside in 2017. NEVAH AGEEN.
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Old 07-17-2023, 05:53 PM   #408
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Just out there giving the BRZ the enhancements they could have done for a Higher volume selling car *Coughs* Wrx *Coughs*
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Old 07-17-2023, 05:57 PM   #409
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Just out there giving the BRZ the enhancements they could have done for a Higher volume selling car *Coughs* Wrx *Coughs*
But why? Apparently it's selling really well as-is. No need to mess with something that apparently isn't broke. BRZ/GR86 sales are slumping. They need a pick-me-up.
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Old 07-17-2023, 08:45 PM   #410
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But why? Apparently it's selling really well as-is. No need to mess with something that apparently isn't broke. BRZ/GR86 sales are slumping. They need a pick-me-up.



I think you're joking; but, the BRZ is currently sitting at a YTD that is higher than 3 of the last 5 years FULL YTD. Keeping that pace and it will surpass both the others. Easily.



My personal opinion.......the death of the STI has freed up a bunch of development money? Hoping they use that for the BRZ and WRX and don't move it over to EV/Hybrids......bringing us updates(hopefully meaningful) more often.
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Old 07-17-2023, 10:02 PM   #411
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Hopefully they redesign the WRX for 2024 with design cues from the BRZ and REMOVE THE STUPID PLASTIC GARBAGE. Fingers crossed.

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Old 07-17-2023, 10:54 PM   #412
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Hopefully they redesign the WRX for 2024 with design cues from the BRZ and REMOVE THE STUPID PLASTIC GARBAGE. Fingers crossed.



Levorg looks fine. Don't put Toyota where it doesn't need to be.





And don't get your hopes up. Its time to just deal with it.
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Old 07-18-2023, 12:31 PM   #413
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But why? Apparently it's selling really well as-is. No need to mess with something that apparently isn't broke. BRZ/GR86 sales are slumping. They need a pick-me-up.
Subie Logic: "No turbo? Here's some Brembos in your 2800lb car"
"Has a turbo? Heres some Outback front pads and Brz rear Pads"
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Old 07-18-2023, 12:53 PM   #414
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I think you're joking; but, the BRZ is currently sitting at a YTD that is higher than 3 of the last 5 years FULL YTD. Keeping that pace and it will surpass both the others. Easily.
I had just read an article that said the GR86 was down on sales, assumed the BRZ was too, but maybe not. Maybe they're shifting production to be more even between the two brands.
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if it's more than a Performance Pack with suspension tweaks and Brembos I'll be shook.

it's still popular enough as is.
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Old 07-18-2023, 01:19 PM   #416
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if it's more than a Performance Pack with suspension tweaks and Brembos I'll be shook.

it's still popular enough as is.
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Old 07-18-2023, 03:14 PM   #417
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Levorg looks fine. Don't put Toyota where it doesn't need to be.





And don't get your hopes up. Its time to just deal with it.
Have you been telling everyone at Subaru that would listen to bring the Levorg here?
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Old 07-18-2023, 03:58 PM   #418
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I had just read an article that said the GR86 was down on sales, assumed the BRZ was too, but maybe not. Maybe they're shifting production to be more even between the two brands.
It may have something to do with the fact that they produces way more automatic GRs than manuals. Currently the manuals are in high demand, but they're still marking them up, so I'm guessing the autos aren't selling well.

BRZs on the other hand, are very easy to get at MSRP, and you can order them in your desired options, whereas the GR is more of a reservation for whichever came to the dealership. You can be waiting a long time for your desired spec to come in.

I've had mine for a year now, and I really like it. It wasn't as initially exciting to drive as my FiST was. But after taking it for some canyon runs, I finally understood it, and fell in love. Pretty damn practical too, for how small it is. I've fit everything from 6ft surfboards to fishing poles to multi-day backpacks in the back. No issues so far. Next is a stealth tow hitch so I can lug my mountain bike around on a rack.
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Old 07-19-2023, 10:41 AM   #419
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I had just read an article that said the GR86 was down on sales, assumed the BRZ was too, but maybe not. Maybe they're shifting production to be more even between the two brands.

Maybe it's what's been said about getting what you want versus having to deal with what's available and people move over to Subaru for that.


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Have you been telling everyone at Subaru that would listen to bring the Levorg here?








Of course!








And always get the same answer.
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Old 07-19-2023, 02:55 PM   #420
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It may have something to do with the fact that they produces way more automatic GRs than manuals. Currently the manuals are in high demand, but they're still marking them up, so I'm guessing the autos aren't selling well.

BRZs on the other hand, are very easy to get at MSRP, and you can order them in your desired options, whereas the GR is more of a reservation for whichever came to the dealership. You can be waiting a long time for your desired spec to come in.

I've had mine for a year now, and I really like it. It wasn't as initially exciting to drive as my FiST was. But after taking it for some canyon runs, I finally understood it, and fell in love. Pretty damn practical too, for how small it is. I've fit everything from 6ft surfboards to fishing poles to multi-day backpacks in the back. No issues so far. Next is a stealth tow hitch so I can lug my mountain bike around on a rack.
Anything like this is planned so far in advance. My guess is they reflected on the first gen and figured by end of 2023 the momentum would be slowing enough to where introducing the performance pack would make sense. Keep the interest high, don't let it drop. I don't think they expected it to go quite how it has (lots of momentum.)

And I don't think even autos sit yet. To Toyo/Sub's credit, I definitely see a lot of manuals out there nowadays. (Not for sale! In pipeline. Only badly marked up cars sit at all.) A quick scan of some of the forums I haunted for a year while I was trying to get one and I see there are still plenty of markups and people waiting hopelessly. Prospects for people who are willing to go looking seem pretty good though.

And definitely go for the stealth hitch. I wish I went that way.
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Old 07-20-2023, 09:55 PM   #421
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Oooh this should be interesting...

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Old 07-23-2023, 05:00 PM   #422
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Still waiting for more details and a press release.

2024 BRZ tS

Has the brakes and Sachs suspension supposedly, along with the badges. Same wheels and no wing. Don't know about the interior.

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Old 07-23-2023, 06:05 PM   #423
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Interior looks about the same to me. Maybe different upholstery but not sure. Needs Recaros.

Also has Eyesight for the MT. No details tho.
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Interior looks about the same to me. Maybe different upholstery but not sure. Needs Recaros.

Also has Eyesight for the MT. No details tho.
Strange there would be no interior changes.
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Apparently the seats have blue accents/stitching. I'm not super familiar with BRZs so I didn't notice the difference.





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