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Old 07-25-2022, 01:27 AM   #276
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1 EJ Mule, 1 EJ car, 1 Production ready car with a different engine. All ICE.
Bruh just tell me how high the redline was!
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Old 07-25-2022, 07:52 AM   #277
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Bruh just tell me how high the redline was!
It's all lies. No use in asking. There was never an EJ for the VB. I also know that no Americans saw the STI in the flesh. They only saw the WRX in the flesh and pictures of the STI. Covid prevented Americans from going to Japan after that to see anything in the flesh and no sti mules came to the US. Rally 4 once posted the sti was getting the s209 engine. His story is already twisting.

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The new Sti will have the ej per my friend whose @ Subaru NA

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Old 07-25-2022, 09:18 AM   #278
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It's all lies. No use in asking. There was never an EJ for the VB. I also know that no Americans saw the STI in the flesh. They only saw the WRX in the flesh and pictures of the STI. Covid prevented Americans from going to Japan after that to see anything in the flesh and no sti mules came to the US. Rally 4 once posted the sti was getting the s209 engine. His story is already twisting.
And just like that it goes to show that you know nothing about the model, you know nobody in SOA, and you're just some person who prides himself in acting like you know more than everyone on a Subaru forum.

The S209 motor is the EJ. You think Subaru would release that version of the motor one time and not try to use it again? Did you not see what they did with the type RA? The next year the base model had pretty much the same engine.

The reply you made to me just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about. Zero about the STI.

I bet you've never even owned a STI for that matter either.

I'm going to take other members advice and no longer engage
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Old 07-25-2022, 09:59 AM   #279
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And just like that it goes to show that you know nothing about the model, you know nobody in SOA, and you're just some person who prides himself in acting like you know more than everyone on a Subaru forum.

The S209 motor is the EJ. You think Subaru would release that version of the motor one time and not try to use it again? Did you not see what they did with the type RA? The next year the base model had pretty much the same engine.

The reply you made to me just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about. Zero about the STI.

I bet you've never even owned a STI for that matter either.

I'm going to take other members advice and no longer engage
Yes. Correlation does not equal causation. There was never going to be an EJ in the VB. I do find the gaslighting hilarious. I will be patiently waiting here on the changes you are proclaiming will be made over the next 2 years.
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Old 07-25-2022, 10:28 AM   #280
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Yes. Correlation does not equal causation. There was never going to be an EJ in the VB. I do find the gaslighting hilarious. I will be patiently waiting here on the changes you are proclaiming will be made over the next 2 years.
Zero knowledge of what’s going on at SOA. Don’t even talk about it because if I didn’t have people to cover for I’d be posting screen shots of proof and render everything you have to say totally irrelevant for the next 5 years here

Keep in mind the changes I originally suggested may happen at the start of this thread. I’m sure by the time it trickles down to you and the other dealership employees you’ll cover for yourself. So when they fix the flares make sure you delete your account.
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Old 07-25-2022, 11:00 AM   #281
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Old 07-25-2022, 12:00 PM   #282
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I was asking what the redline was in the production engine (FA24?) Subaru went with.

Subaru could have used the development S209 engine in the mule and then in a finalized version of the car as a benchmark against the production ready FA24 version. That makes perfect sense. But them using the EJ25 with an HKS turbo for our new STI does not.
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:57 PM   #283
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I was asking what the redline was in the production engine (FA24?) Subaru went with.

Subaru could have used the development S209 engine in the mule and then in a finalized version of the car as a benchmark against the production ready FA24 version. That makes perfect sense. But them using the EJ25 with an HKS turbo for our new STI does not.
They performance benchmark old engine + old car vs the new engine + new car during vehicle development(as well as competitors). The engines themselves are durability tested via bench and are road tested in everything from prior gen mules, hack job mules, to future gen mules.

Do you honestly think rallly 4 has screenshots? He tried to pass off an accessory grille as the bonafide grille from the stillborn sti btw***8230;It's not. Did he ever reconcile those broken links?
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Old 07-25-2022, 03:02 PM   #284
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It's all lies. No use in asking. There was never an EJ for the VB. I also know that no Americans saw the STI in the flesh. They only saw the WRX in the flesh and pictures of the STI. Covid prevented Americans from going to Japan after that to see anything in the flesh and no sti mules came to the US. Rally 4 once posted the sti was getting the s209 engine. His story is already twisting.
I do believe this for sure. I spent the last 4 years working on an extensive manufacturing partnership with a company in Japan. I was there in 2019 with plans to go back multiple times in 2020 and 2021, and all were cancelled. All business was conducted remotely, including "in-person" training on equipment where I had to wear a headcam. Japan was not letting anyone from the USA in.
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Old 07-25-2022, 03:12 PM   #285
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They performance benchmark old engine + old car vs the new engine + new car during vehicle development(as well as competitors). The engines themselves are durability tested via bench and are road tested in everything from prior gen mules, hack job mules, to future gen mules.

Do you honestly think rallly 4 has screenshots? He tried to pass off an accessory grille as the bonafide grille from the stillborn sti btw***8230;It's not. Did he ever reconcile those broken links?
If you know what the new engine was then come out and say it.
Otherwise, anybody else can say whatever they want.
You saying that it wasn't an EJ doesn't help much. That's all I'm saying.
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Old 07-25-2022, 05:58 PM   #286
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They performance benchmark old engine + old car vs the new engine + new car during vehicle development(as well as competitors). The engines themselves are durability tested via bench and are road tested in everything from prior gen mules, hack job mules, to future gen mules.

Do you honestly think rallly 4 has screenshots? He tried to pass off an accessory grille as the bonafide grille from the stillborn sti btw***8230;It's not. Did he ever reconcile those broken links?
Yeah and I think they may have done the same with combining the new platform car with the old engine setup. But I honestly don't know a thing. You know, the entire point of this thread.

Do you have knowledge as to whether Japan and or Australia will be getting an STI? Would you like to share that knowledge? If not, please exit the thread. I don't care if rally4 is blowing smoke. I want him to blow smoke. If you got some smoke to blow, by all means. But please

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Old 07-25-2022, 06:48 PM   #287
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Yeah and I think they may have done the same with combining the new platform car with the old engine setup. But I honestly don't know a thing. You know, the entire point of this thread.

Do you have knowledge as to whether Japan and or Australia will be getting an STI? Would you like to share that knowledge? If not, please exit the thread. I don't care if rally4 is blowing smoke. I want him to blow smoke. If you got some smoke to blow, by all means. But please
Why would you want someone to lie to you? You should know by now I'm going to tell it to you straight as much as I can. there is no actual ICE STI for any country for this generation. The vehicle is stillborn for all markets.
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Old 07-25-2022, 07:41 PM   #288
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I want that someone to show me.
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Old 07-25-2022, 07:49 PM   #289
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1 EJ Mule, 1 EJ car, 1 Production ready car with a different engine. All ICE.
I heard the 2024 Subaru STi will have an EZ36T and a monkey in the trunk to help with cornering.

(This is exactly how the 2004 STi with a 2.5T was rumored... and EVERYONE said no way it will have a 2.5T for USA).
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That's the joke. But seriously, the 2.5 existed from the 2.5RS, and then someone said, JOKINGLY, they were going to turbo it, close the deck a bit, and it's the new STi. ... and it will have a monkey in the trunk. THE origination of the Trunk Monkey was born. Everyone, including myself, laughed, said "no way", but... dreamed, loved the idea. Why? Because it didn't exist.

Then a year or so later, BAM! OMG! They DID it! But, they had already been working on it... not even AUS got it. It was a US engine.

So, let's get over the "NO WAY! PROVE IT!" crapola and go with it. Have some fun, because... what kinda monster would that be? A little more over the nose, sure, but... I wonder *if* the SGP could accommodate the extra weight/nose... or set it back towards the firewall a little.

Will it happen, probably not. But, subaru *HAS* surprised everyone with something new and exciting before. Not all hope would be dead. Just reading between the lines, *NOT* and EJ fine... but there's lots of EZ experience. How FUN would that be? 400+ HP, sure, a little more weight? Sure. Detrimental? They said the same of the 25T, that it would be "too much".

Hell, I remember a time talking to some US execs and Japan HQ engineers in Topeka KS one year at SCCA Nationals ('99) when we were running 2.5RS'. Good little discussions were had about the car and what we liked/disliked about it. I remember bending an engineers ear over a RWD 2.5RS would be a HOOT. Ditch the transfer case, make it nice and light over the nose, perfect balance can be achieved. I'd like to take .005% credit for the BRZ, which took 13 years to get on the road.

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Old 07-25-2022, 10:48 PM   #292
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Shhhh you'll ruin it.
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Old 07-25-2022, 10:52 PM   #293
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I heard the 2024 Subaru STi will have an EZ36T and a monkey in the trunk to help with cornering.

(This is exactly how the 2004 STi with a 2.5T was rumored... and EVERYONE said no way it will have a 2.5T for USA).
They could have done a CB18 boxer 4 derivative: CB27 boxer 6.
Smaller bore spacing than EZ36 = shorter crankshaft = shorter engine front to back.
Nearly a liter less displacement but less weight, much less bore, but still an efficient and clean long stroker that would stand up to forced induction on pump gas much better than EZ36 ever could.
Also, would rev MUCH better; shorter stroke, 88mm vs 91mm and possibly longer rods as well. The dream.
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Old 07-26-2022, 12:06 AM   #294
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I want that someone to show me.
Multiple Americans have seen the cars….one of The car is still tucked away in Japan.

If I could post what I have, I would….but then it would get directly tracked back to me.

The other noise in this thread is emotionally driven remarks that are simply not true. It’s a person behind a computer or phone who just wants to feel like they are the top dog on the forum. That’s really all it is.

Liar this, liar that

I’m trying to get something I can post or share here.
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Old 07-26-2022, 12:58 AM   #295
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It's all lies. No use in asking. There was never an EJ for the VB. I also know that no Americans saw the STI in the flesh. They only saw the WRX in the flesh and pictures of the STI. Covid prevented Americans from going to Japan after that to see anything in the flesh and no sti mules came to the US. Rally 4 once posted the sti was getting the s209 engine. His story is already twisting.



I'll lead with a clarification. "Finished" product or any form of the STI? Cause I have personally........in person.......talked to someone that has. Pretty sure they're American also.
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Old 07-26-2022, 01:20 AM   #296
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Damn, who knew Subarus were such serious business? "I have photos and proof but if I show them them Illuminati will find out and then murder me and my family!"
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Damn, who knew Subarus were such serious business? “I have photos and proof but if I show them them Illuminati will find out and then murder me and my family!”
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Damn, who knew Subarus were such serious business? "I have photos and proof but if I show them them Illuminati will find out and then murder me and my family!"



For me, it's more of I'd like to continue getting info. I was deprived of some of it when I leaked the 2.4 by accident. It was quiet for a bit.



Based of what I'VE heard and looking at the back and forth of these two, I know which one I'd believe more.

Not saying either one is "lying". Just that their sources might be getting conflicting info. Which I'VE had happen to me in the past. I was told the Wilderness' were getting a 1.5" lift where another one just said "not that much".
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Old 07-26-2022, 01:37 AM   #299
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Damn, who knew Subarus were such serious business? “I have photos and proof but if I show them them Illuminati will find out and then murder me and my family!”
It only seems to be serious to a small handful of people

I like speculation and rumors, but obviously any rational person should take anything that they hear on the internet (without sources) with a gigantic grain of salt. So until we hear from Subaru officially about the future plans of the WRX/STi, I'm not taking anything stated here as complete truth. Until then, this is all just speculation for fun. The more serious people take it, the less fun it gets.

I don't have a dog in this fight nor do I know either of these two sides more than what I've read in this thread over the past two weeks, so it's pretty entertaining to sit back and just soak it in purely from an outsider's point of view. It's like the age-old "you can't prove that god is real!" , "well you can't prove that god ISN'T real!" arguments.
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Old 07-26-2022, 02:30 AM   #300
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Show me the grain of salt.

Look you either do or don't. I'm happy either way. But I'm not leaving here without a pic of the redline on the finished STI. Smuggle that bish in here before the double posts eat this forum. It could be the final edition Subaru never gave us. Because they suck the lint off of Tom Dolls sweater balls.
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