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Old 08-01-2022, 06:57 PM   #376
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You're saying the Impreza is going to have more cladding than the Crosstrek?
Oh jeez. Don't jinx anything.
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Old 08-01-2022, 07:18 PM   #377
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I thought cladding is a good thing because Subaru does it.
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Old 08-01-2022, 08:18 PM   #378
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I thought cladding is a good thing because Subaru does it.
Remember. All I've ever said is I was OK with it. If they "fix" it to look like a Levorg, I'd be fine that way as well. But, I also know the anger it generates. And I'm sure they had zero intentions on doing that to an Impreza. Just the Crosstreks. Based on what I heard, I can't wait to see the Crosstrek Wilderness.
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Old 08-01-2022, 11:14 PM   #379
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You really don't know what you're talking about. lol

All of the latest STI's have been homologated by the FIA for competition. The last one was homologated in 2018:

https://www.sti.jp/en/competition/gr...ologation.html

https://www.sti.jp/en/competition/gr...58_0101_ET.pdf

Just walk out before you look even fooler.
Google homologation in the auto industry. It is when a car is produced to satisfy racing requirements. Every single US spec sti since 2004 has never been homologated for racing.

I’ve never heard anyone at any car company say the word homologation to refer to producing a car or legalizing a car. You’re completely wrong.

A “homologation” car refers to a car built to satisfy racing requirements. Examples: 69/70 BOSS 302, Lancia delta integrale, mitsu evo 1,2,3,4, 5 , etc.

Homologation is used as a term to refer to these types of cars.

Homologating a car for road use is correct, but throwing the term around to refer to every street car is ridiculous.

And by the way I don’t even need to click those links, group N homologation is showroom class homologation. A base Toyota Corolla could be “homologated” for group N if they wanted to. All they’re doing is taking pictures of a production spec car.

True homologation cars are race cars detuned for the street. See examples above.

Group N is just showroom class racing. You could homologate virtually any new car for that. Means nothing.

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Old 08-01-2022, 11:26 PM   #380
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That's why I asked what homologation was he talking about. Because he doesn't know what he's saying.
No, you don’t know what you are saying.

A homologation car is specifically a road version of a rally car (in modern terms) or of another racing series

You linked to the STi.JP website including info about group N homologation. That is nothing as I said above. The STI hasn’t been a homologation car since the 90s.

Every car is federalized for road use. Homologating is a ridiculous term to use for road cars. Nobody in the industry refers to it as that.
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homologation is a regular term in automotive manufacturing when talking about vehicles or aspect of vehicles being approved for particular markets. Homologation specials is the industry term for cars homologated for racing.
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homologation is a regular term in automotive manufacturing when talking about vehicles or aspect of vehicles being approved for particular markets. Homologation specials is the industry term for cars homologated for racing.
And the WRX, STI, Evo, M3 etc are not homologation cars anymore.

Usually when companies refer to the first part of your description, building cars for certain markets for example the US, they use the term “federalizing” rather than Homologating. I have NEVER heard any auto industry professional use the word homologation on any car since 2010 besides the GR Corolla. And it was used in reference to the GRY drivetrain being a homologation special in a sense
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And the WRX, STI, Evo, M3 etc are not homologation cars anymore.

Usually when companies refer to the first part of your description, building cars for certain markets for example the US, they use the term “federalizing” rather than Homologating. I have NEVER heard any auto industry professional use the word homologation on any car since 2010 besides the GR Corolla. And it was used in reference to the GRY drivetrain being a homologation special in a sense
Actually it was the GR Yaris, which was homologated. But I understood what you meant.
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Old 08-02-2022, 03:40 AM   #384
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I could go on forever, but I don't beat on dead horses.
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Old 08-02-2022, 11:04 AM   #385
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Yep. They will be released the same MY. They were at the recent retailer meeting........that I didn't get to go to this year.......and have been told they are nice. Aaannnddd, of course, that is subjective and I fully expect nothing but hate from this site.
I wonder what are the chances we see those 2 cars together in LA this year. Although I see subaru showing us the crosstrek wilderness in NY at unique outdoor set in the middle of the stage. It suits the wilderness moniker
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Old 08-02-2022, 11:39 AM   #386
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I wonder what are the chances we see those 2 cars together in LA this year. Although I see subaru showing us the crosstrek wilderness in NY at unique outdoor set in the middle of the stage. It suits the wilderness moniker
I'm surprised they didn't do the crosstrek as the 1st wilderness, since it was the more popular one to modify for offroad uses... go figure. And could have skipped the Forester entirely.
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I'm surprised they didn't do the crosstrek as the 1st wilderness, since it was the more popular one to modify for offroad uses... go figure.
Start with the most expensive model (Outback), to offset the high initial marketing/production costs. Then work your way down the line. Crosstrek probably has smaller margins since they can't charge as much. Also, Outback is made at SIA, so that makes it easier and quicker to dealer lots.
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Old 08-02-2022, 11:45 AM   #388
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I'm surprised they didn't do the crosstrek as the 1st wilderness, since it was the more popular one to modify for offroad uses... go figure. And could have skipped the Forester entirely.
People have been modifying Outbacks and Foresters far longer than the Crosstreks existence.

I'm just thinking the cycle of it's development didn't mesh with the timelines and they just ended up waiting till the FMC. I mean, even the Outback Wilderness isn't getting the facial makeover of the Outback's BMC.
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Actually it was the GR Yaris, which was homologated. But I understood what you meant.
Yes, I used the term GRY to refer to it. I’ve had one too many talks with Toyota guys who have used that slang lol
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Old 08-02-2022, 11:47 AM   #390
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Wait till the bombshell from Toyota comes out that a Base model GR Yaris will only start at a few thousand more than the Wrx. Expecting it to be around $32-$35 if what I’ve been told holds any weight.

$32,999 sounds ab right
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Yes, I used the term GRY to refer to it. I've had one too many talks with Toyota guys who have used that slang lol
He was correcting your misuse of Corolla.

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Wait till the bombshell from Toyota comes out that a Base model GR Yaris will only start at a few thousand more than the Wrx. Expecting it to be around $32-$35 if what I've been told holds any weight.

$32,999 sounds ab right
I think you meant GR Corolla.
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So much confusion.

But, yes, I expect the GRC Core to start at $30k-$31k, possibly $32k. We should know pricing very, very soon. It makes me feel bad for the WRX since it JUST came out. But Subaru needs competition badly.
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So much confusion.

But, yes, I expect the GRC Core to start at $30k-$31k, possibly $32k. We should know pricing very, very soon. It makes me feel bad for the WRX since it JUST came out. But Subaru needs competition badly.
100%. Death of the Evo was terrible for STI progress. WRX needs real competition, even if it's quasi in-house.
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I'm surprised they didn't do the crosstrek as the 1st wilderness, since it was the more popular one to modify for offroad uses... go figure. And could have skipped the Forester entirely.
if the sales are strong, you don't need to introduce a special version to gin up more sales.

besides, I'll bet the margins on a OBW and FW are higher than the margins on a CW will be.

so yeah, two compelling reasons, add that Subaru just (well, not too long ago) released the Crosstrek Sport, which is a great incremental upgrade between the regular Crosstrek and what will be the CW.
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If VW made the Jetta GLI with 4Motion and charged 35k to start, I still don't think it would dent sales of the WRX. I would buy it, but I'm admittedly a minority enthusiast that likes the lowest popular models in terms of overall sales.

The WRX is its own thing. When Mitsu tried their hand with the Ralliart, it didn't gain traction compared to the WRX and didn't last long. So competition doesn't really force Subaru's hand to make something better at all. They just keep doing their thing. And other manu's have a difficult time cracking their recipe.
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He was correcting your misuse of Corolla.


I think you meant GR Corolla.
The drivetrain in the Corolla is very similar to the Yaris. GRY = GR Yaris
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GRC = GR Corolla, which is not homologated.

GRY = GR Yaris, that was homologated.

Just because the GRY uses the rear half of the standard Corolla which then was implemented back into the GRC doesn't mean the GRC is homologated. Unless you know that the GRC was made specifically for racing, and then just made for public use, same as GRY. I haven't read anything as such pertaining to the GRC, but GRY for sure.

Your original statements made the two vehicles interchangeable, which they are not where homologation is concerned.
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If VW made the Jetta GLI with 4Motion and charged 35k to start, I still don't think it would dent sales of the WRX. I would buy it, but I'm admittedly a minority enthusiast that likes the lowest popular models in terms of overall sales.

The WRX is its own thing. When Mitsu tried their hand with the Ralliart, it didn't gain traction compared to the WRX and didn't last long. So competition doesn't really force Subaru's hand to make something better at all. They just keep doing their thing. And other manu's have a difficult time cracking their recipe.
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If VW made the Jetta GLI with 4Motion and charged 35k to start, I still don't think it would dent sales of the WRX. I would buy it, but I'm admittedly a minority enthusiast that likes the lowest popular models in terms of overall sales.

The WRX is its own thing. When Mitsu tried their hand with the Ralliart, it didn't gain traction compared to the WRX and didn't last long. So competition doesn't really force Subaru's hand to make something better at all. They just keep doing their thing. And other manu's have a difficult time cracking their recipe.
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