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Old 12-05-2019, 10:17 AM   #51
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I love the R35, driven 3 and two of them were modded, and one of those was really fíin modded. But ďelectrificationĒ sours me. If I wanted that Iíd just go out and buy a Tesla P/D. No interest but best of luck to them. Not interested in a new NSX challenger. I see the current NSX as a complete sophistication cluster F that I would never want to own even if I could afford it. Iíd take GT3RS over it any day or just a GT3. I donít care if a dsg or whatever is quicker either, I still want to shift the g damn thing myself and I mean foot pedal and lever. How about, Nissan, build a R34 successor. AWD, twin turbo inline 6, forge the motor, and work on weight reduction as best you can with current safety regs, and make it as small as you can. Godzilla stomped around and killed stuff, and he didnít have a battery pack.
You see man, This is a path I can walk with you side by side buddy.
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Old 12-05-2019, 10:22 AM   #52
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^^No one wants simpler - people are stupid, lazy, and insecure - God forbid a different car has a better 0-60 time or more useless gadgets. Clevon has taken over! This will be the penis extension of choice for a particular pool of lucky (to have money) Clevons.

I have a Jag loaner right now - what a ****box - 99% of cars under ~100K drive the same now. Leaf or Corolla is the way to go - and if you're spending money, you have to look backwards in time to get the most enjoyment.
Yup, I have been saying this for years. Older cars are more fun, more exciting and more involving than newer ones. The perception of speed is greater in an older car. When you can feel completely bored and secure going 120 mph in a new sports car, where is the excitement. After a while you become numb to lines on the road moving.

Go drive a vintage car and see and smell and feel everything mechanical and relearn what enjoyment and driving is all about.
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Old 12-05-2019, 11:24 AM   #53
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They managed to make it look uglier. I didnít think it was possible but they managed to do it.
Compared to the current STI it looks like a damn Victoria Secrets model.
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:51 PM   #54
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Compared to the current STI it looks like a damn Victoria Secrets model.
Sadly, that’s not saying much. The wrx / sti were never gorgeous cars but they had an awesome uniqueness to the design that made them really cool (2007 and older models). The hatch was okay but after that it’s just gone down hill and looks like a boy racer sedan.
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Old 12-05-2019, 01:10 PM   #55
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Yup, I have been saying this for years. Older cars are more fun, more exciting and more involving than newer ones. The perception of speed is greater in an older car. When you can feel completely bored and secure going 120 mph in a new sports car, where is the excitement. After a while you become numb to lines on the road moving.

Go drive a vintage car and see and smell and feel everything mechanical and relearn what enjoyment and driving is all about.
Not to mention that there are a ton of electronics that keeps all that power to the ground and magically makes the car turn to produce the ultimate best lap times. Some cars, you can't fully turn off stability/traction control. Or you need it on to manage the all that power. You start to think about how much the driver is actually doing.
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Not to mention that there are a ton of electronics that keeps all that power to the ground and magically makes the car turn to produce the ultimate best lap times. Some cars, you can't fully turn off stability/traction control. Or you need it on to manage the all that power. You start to think about how much the driver is actually doing.
This is the problem I have when certain car companies claim better lap times against another. Not going to throw shade and start a **** snow on here, but one car can fully turn off all the nannies while the other still has significant electronic / computer assist in its race / performance mode. One uses less driver skill and more computer tech, the other is the driver fighting to not wrap the car around a tree / wall.
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Old 12-05-2019, 02:52 PM   #57
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Meh, I like it. Especially the blue one.
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I'll take a green one. Without the price tag.
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1.12 million??? !!! WTF are they smoking and that goes for anyone buying this at that price. Ughhhhh, these car prices are absolutely ridiculous.

I'm with Pre and others about making a simpler, lighter weight, affordable sports car. Hell, I bet they'd do ok if they just updated the current Z (ancient) styling wise, drop in the 3L twin turbo from the Infiniti lineup with a manual and DSG option. Hell I suspect they could even get by with a ZF8 in it. Price it less or around the Supra.
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Old 12-06-2019, 09:48 AM   #61
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Blue for me. And yes, the whole thing is ridiculous.

So what will take this cars place @ what used to be an affordable beast (10 years ago.)
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Nissan should focus more effort on bringing the rest of their lineup to modern standards so when you walk into a dealership it doesn’t look like it’s still 2010.
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I'm with Pre and others about making a simpler, lighter weight, affordable sports car. Hell, I bet they'd do ok if they just updated the current Z (ancient) styling wise, drop in the 3L twin turbo from the Infiniti lineup with a manual and DSG option. Hell I suspect they could even get by with a ZF8 in it. Price it less or around the Supra.

Do you really think it's affordable at Supra pricing? They will just be creating a mini GTR that defeats the purpose of affordable obtainable performance. And apparently Toyota could only do it when the base it off a BMW. It's not like the Supra is flying off dealer lots either. At Nissan's current financial and sales state a new Z will be a fwd V6 CVT 2 door Maxima.

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Toyota screwed the pooch when they let BMW make their Halo car. A company the size of Toyota has no business partnering with anybody to showcase the best of what they offer. A halo car is suppose to represent the brand. Minivan buyers may not care what is under the sheetmetal, but Sports car Owners do. Supra should be an object driven by Toyota's passion for motor cars. Instead it is a reskinned Z4. Zero Toyota essence is in that car, and no Toyota fan will buy it. THe buyers will be those who want a Z4 at a discount.

Nissan made its name for itself and ALL japanese companies with the Z. It was affordable and obtainable and while not technically groundbreaking it was the right combination of parts at an affordable price that gave amazing performance and reliability and 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of the competition.

They need a sports car to bring people back to the brand, and they need to ditch the CVT as the standard transmission and offer it as an option.
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The CVT is fine and acceptable in their mainstream cars but a proper 8, 9, 10 speed AT would be preferable, especially on the Maxima, Pathfinder, and Murano. But there should be no CVT business in their premium Infiniti lineup, unless it's some entry-level or hybrid model. Yes, Lexus does it with their UX and hybrid models but they also offer a full spectrum complete lineup.
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come on man, just like at that Nissan Murano! Doesn't get any better!
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1.12 million??? !!! WTF are they smoking and that goes for anyone buying this at that price. Ughhhhh, these car prices are absolutely ridiculous.

I'm with Pre and others about making a simpler, lighter weight, affordable sports car. Hell, I bet they'd do ok if they just updated the current Z (ancient) styling wise, drop in the 3L twin turbo from the Infiniti lineup with a manual and DSG option. Hell I suspect they could even get by with a ZF8 in it. Price it less or around the Supra.
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Old 12-06-2019, 01:54 PM   #68
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Do you really think it's affordable at Supra pricing? They will just be creating a mini GTR that defeats the purpose of affordable obtainable performance. And apparently Toyota could only do it when the base it off a BMW. It's not like the Supra is flying off dealer lots either. At Nissan's current financial and sales state a new Z will be a fwd V6 CVT 2 door Maxima.

To be honest, no, I don't feel Supra pricing 50K-55k is particularly affordable but it seems to be where we are today for a fun sports car. Honestly I'd like it priced to compete with the the Camaro and Mustangs.
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So much yawn. Why does Nissan need to do this? Just compete in the STI/RS/R/CTR realm. Affordable. Attainable. There are so many of these over-the-top cars, it can't be an overly profitable venture for them. As stated by others, build a modern R34.
I realize this post is like a year late, but I would point out that what you want never existed. The R34 wasn't cheap either. They sold for well north of 5 million yen, especially the V-Spec, etc. editions we like to think of. They would have been more expensive than a contemporary Corvette if they had been exported to the US.

I would still agree, I'd rather have that than a supercar-killer nobody can afford; but it would be a lot more GR Supra priced than STI/RS/R/CTR.
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To be honest, no, I don't feel Supra pricing 50K-55k is particularly affordable but it seems to be where we are today for a fun sports car. Honestly I'd like it priced to compete with the the Camaro and Mustangs.

The key to buying modern sports cars (90%+ of the time) is not buying brand new. The worst depreciation is the minute you drive it off the lot and then the first 12-18 months. Then deprecation typically starts to level off. Barely used/CPO is always my preference.

The C7 Z51 I bought was 30% off MSRP and was less than one year old with 2200 miles. The GT350 I just bought was a 2018 with 1400 miles on it for $49K and it snickered for $63K.

Just have a wide search radius and patience and do your homework.
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Would have been nice if they went retro and updated the design of the beloved R34 for the next iteration. Many of the American muscle cars did it and I'm pretty sure fans of older JDM cars would appreciate it as well.
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