09 wrx built block garrett 60-1. What do YOU think it will make?

[silversurfer05]

To start please delete if not allowed.
I recently was forced to build the block after spinning a bearing and my shop is kind enough to swap on my rotated kit that i have pieced together over the past 9 months at no additional charge. Its still a 5 speed so im scared to dyno and would like the gurus of the community to use their credentials to give ne a ROUGH idea of what she might put down.
Mods as follows

Wiseco pistons stock bore 8.9:1
Manley h beam rods
Custom machined crankshaft for better oiling
Kelford ti springs and retainers
Garrett t3 60-1 .82 ar stage 3 turbo
HKS equal length headers
Perrin rotated up pipe and down pipe
Tial 44mm ewg
Tial qr bov
Id 1050x injectors (from dan at Boston motorsports, crazy price and connectors for free)
And fuel pump upgraded.

Now, the intention for the car before the bearing going was to have a 400 hp car on 93 that i can still deliver food in. Tune will not exceed 22 psi as i want torque low and to keep the turbo in its efficiency range. Afr will be 11.1-11.2. And elevation for what its worth is sea level.
I have searched for threads on GARRETTS 60-1 but have only found reviews on the kinugawa or 20g versions.
This forum has educated me a ton on our platform to the point i can usually diagnose all my Subie friends problems before they take it to a shop, and for that i am grateful, thank you to all of nasioc


Results were 357 on the mustang setting ( shown in a post below ) and 398 on the Dyno dynamics setting

[silversurfer05]

Long overdue Update
Tune was finalized at 18.5 psi and 10° of timing at 4300 RPM going up to 13° at redline. AFR target is around 10.8. extremely conservative tune due to still being on the stock 5speed. Dyno runs were postponed due to outbreak. Trying to find a way to do virtual dyno but Im not familiar with it. I want to prove my power lol

[tbscamcity]

Originally Posted by silversurfer05

Long overdue Update
Tune was finalized at 18.5 psi and 10° of timing at 4300 RPM going up to 13° at redline. AFR target is around 10.8. extremely conservative tune due to still being on the stock 5speed. Dyno runs were postponed due to outbreak. Trying to find a way to do virtual dyno but Im not familiar with it. I want to prove my power lol

I feel you there! My car just got off the dyno on Monday... My tuner is still going strong here in Texas.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by tbscamcity

I feel you there! My car just got off the dyno on Monday... My tuner is still going strong here in Texas.

Glad to hear some shops are working through this situation. What did your car put down and what mods?
I personally am about to just order a cheap PC and try to virtual Dyno

[tbscamcity]

Originally Posted by silversurfer05

Glad to hear some shops are working through this situation. What did your car put down and what mods?
I personally am about to just order a cheap PC and try to virtual Dyno

451/419 on mustang dyno. IAG closed deck with 1.5XTR turbo. Was very happy my tuner is still fully operational. You should give the virtual dyno a try!

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by tbscamcity

451/419 on mustang dyno. IAG closed deck with 1.5XTR turbo. Was very happy my tuner is still fully operational. You should give the virtual dyno a try!

Im guessing thats on e? Great numbers. If the opportunity arose back around I’m definitely going closed deck

[Waddlz]

Curious what your power was. my 60-1 was a horrible turbo, that I am glad to be rid of.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by Waddlz

Curious what your power was. my 60-1 was a horrible turbo, that I am glad to be rid of.

Im dying to find out as well!! Its a garrett stage 3 60-1. Couldn’t find a p trim at the time or a t4 kit in my price range so I do wish I at least went with the t67. The 60-1 hits right after 4k which to me is just right but after 24/25 psi ill need to upgrade. But I won’t get there until I swap in a six speed. I’m just hoping to crack 400 on pump, should be doable with some fuel trimming and more aggressive timing.

[Waddlz]

Originally Posted by silversurfer05

Im dying to find out as well!! Its a garrett stage 3 60-1. Couldn’t find a p trim at the time or a t4 kit in my price range so I do wish I at least went with the t67. The 60-1 hits right after 4k which to me is just right but after 24/25 psi ill need to upgrade. But I won’t get there until I swap in a six speed. I’m just hoping to crack 400 on pump, should be doable with some fuel trimming and more aggressive timing.

Yeah mine was a Kinugawa td06sl2 60-1 8cm2.

It didn't make 23 psi til 4800 RPMs and made 286 whp, 282 wtq at 20 psi on pump gas 91 at 5500 ft altitude uncorrected.

I almost sold the car after this, but obviously its not a garrett. Update this when you can hit the dyno.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by Waddlz

Yeah mine was a Kinugawa td06sl2 60-1 8cm2.

It didn't make 23 psi til 4800 RPMs and made 286 whp, 282 wtq at 20 psi on pump gas 91 at 5500 ft altitude uncorrected.

I almost sold the car after this, but obviously its not a garrett. Update this when you can hit the dyno.

The gas and the altitude were definitely contributing limiting factors. I was going to go with a stock location turbo, but wanted the ease of install in case I wanted to go bigger again. And I kind of do want to do that now but should invest in a six speed before I do so for peace of mind. And of course I will. If I knew how to do the virtual Dyno, I would have it done by now haha

[Waddlz]

Originally Posted by silversurfer05

The gas and the altitude were definitely contributing limiting factors. I was going to go with a stock location turbo, but wanted the ease of install in case I wanted to go bigger again. And I kind of do want to do that now but should invest in a six speed before I do so for peace of mind. And of course I will. If I knew how to do the virtual Dyno, I would have it done by now haha

Virtual dyno is easy to use.

make sure the road is flat, and if you're using a 5 speed do your pull in 3rd.

Do your regular pull, for me that was 3500 RPMs to redline and log ONLY that pull.

take the the log file from your AP, and install Virtual dyno. Open the log file with VD, and set your car information.

For instance, this is a VD of my car with the 60-1 on E85.

[pcampbell]

10-13 degrees total timing is way way low. You can probably add 10 degrees.

10.8 is pretty fat too.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by pcampbell

10-13 degrees total timing is way way low. You can probably add 10 degrees.

10.8 is pretty fat too.

Yeah, I requested it to be conservative because of the five speed, but had no clue as to what the power was. So we definitely could have pushed it further. I’m hoping to get timing to at least 17° at red li yeah, I requested it to be conservative because of the five speed, but had no clue as to what the power was. So we definitely could have pushed it further. I’m hoping to get timing to at least 17° at redline. Tha afr is likely due to to the filter I have being filthy and being restrictive. But will most likely be around 11-2-11.3 when finished. From what I understand there are torque limiting tables on the software my tuner recommended using(ecutek), which should help me quite a bit as I am about to say **** it and send it since i had a close call with an ecoboost with performance pack. Those things have stupid torque

[2slofouru]

Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and don't send it .At least get all of your 6mt parts purchased and be ready if it happens. There is always someone faster and some people have sneaky fast vehicles and you don't know until you kill yours trying to race. Besides, you can sell that 5mt to help with the 6mt cost.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by 2slofouru

Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and don't send it .At least get all of your 6mt parts purchased and be ready if it happens. There is always someone faster and some people have sneaky fast vehicles and you don't know until you kill yours trying to race. Besides, you can sell that 5mt to help with the 6mt cost.

I wont fully send it lmao. But i do want to max it out at the current boost level of 18 psi. We initially tried 21 and inadvertently 26 psi for a race tune and it was more than i could handle haha way over 400 for sure. With these checks coming Ill be able to start putting the swap together hahaha

[silversurfer05]

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[silversurfer05]

I’m definitely going to need help. I put all the information in and it’s telling me I’m over 500 hp Lmaoo

[silversurfer05]

Also says 252 hp when I put the second gear log in. Based on the cars I have raced, there’s no way Im making that little.

[silversurfer05]

It was done using the STI I was my car for the upload setting. The WRX setting produced the weird numbers for whatever reason. Only difference is my car weighs about 200 pounds less than the listed weight on the app for the STI
Weight is corrected to reflect my cars weight

https://img.nasioc.com/i/1WlqA.jpg

[silversurfer05]

This is the dynojet graph I just received. I feel the mustang numbers are more accurate but this may help those who don't have a Mustang dyno near them and want to compare results

[Waddlz]

You should take into account how much you weigh also in your weight calculations.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by Waddlz

You should take into account how much you weigh also in your weight calculations.

The weight and graph have been updated

[silversurfer05]

Probably going to just start a new thread but I ordered a 6766 and we should be bolting it in not long after it arrives. Want to cross that 450 whp barrier with as little torque as possible (still 5 speed) by keeping boost low (~21psi) and timing conservative in the midrange, eventually ramping it up towards redline but obviously we will be limited by pump gas. Have seen several 460+whp punp setups with this turbo and stock motor so I said f”@k it haha

[K3rm1tth3fr0g]

Originally Posted by silversurfer05

Probably going to just start a new thread but I ordered a 6766 and we should be bolting it in not long after it arrives. Want to cross that 450 whp barrier with as little torque as possible (still 5 speed) by keeping boost low (~21psi) and timing conservative in the midrange, eventually ramping it up towards redline but obviously we will be limited by pump gas. Have seen several 460+whp punp setups with this turbo and stock motor so I said f"@k it haha

Pump gas + stock motor + 6766 = the need for a very good tune.

Godspeed my friend.

[silversurfer05]

Originally Posted by K3rm1tth3fr0g

Pump gas + stock motor + 6766 = the need for a very good tune.

Godspeed my friend.

Built block. Stock transmission
Granny shifting has done wonders for me lol
But in all seriousness, with low timing and a conservative boost target, I don’t see torque exceeding 400.