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02-23-2001, 07:35 AM | #1 |
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power sliding good vs bad
I live in Co, and when it snows the streets get a nice layer. I love to grab the e-break, kick the back end around and power out of the turn. I'm wondering, I've seen befor that on AWD its bad to lock the back tires when the front is still in motion. What kind of damage can be done by this. If I do it only once in a while will it till hurt anything.
Snow SSSlideing Ryan D.
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02-23-2001, 07:45 AM | #2 |
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yikes.. I have doen the same here in VA but usually on dry tarmac "San Remo U-Turns"
I think tht it might be responsible fo rthe odd and ditressing noise coming for my car right now when i accelerate at half to full throttle this past weekend i used it a couple times at the RAlly X and people said they heard a troubling noise from the car..... maybe the centre diff is going. However, yesterday i learned alot when it snowed... I went to a local High school ;ot and practiced drifting the car... it was beautiful, I don't think i even touched to e brake. just a little left foot braking to pop the rear out and then on with the power drift... man it takes practice. I now have a new respect for the WRC drivers in Sweden!! |
02-23-2001, 07:46 AM | #3 |
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If you do it gently, you'll be OK. Don't YANK the lever and lock the rears--just pull it enough to break the rear end loose. If your already turning this will happen long before the rears lock.
I usually find that a quick twitch of the wheel is a better way to unbalance the car. I only use the handbrake if it's very icy. |
02-23-2001, 07:51 AM | #4 |
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well scoober i dont use the ebrake i just hit the gas and as jon said give the wheel a quick twitch. i dont want to risk damaging the car in anyway IMO i think if the car is moving and you use the ebrake the rear wheels have power going to em so when you hit the brake there is alot of resistance. just my opinion
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02-23-2001, 08:32 AM | #5 |
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Generally I will just punch the gas and it's enough to unlock the back, but also the front, if I'm trying to do a quick turn or sharp I only need and want the back to break loose. Never ever have I used this method on tarmac. If I'm on tarmac I use weight transfer, throw the car slightly to the left then back to the right and give it some gas, if you get the timing right it makes uses a sinch, one time I was in a intersection and needed to flip a B#$@*, the intersection was a little crowed and I had the green arrow, I slid all the way around perfectly and snapped back in and powered off. Anyone that saw me do that is now considering getting a impreza if they could tell what it was. (debadged). As for parking lots, I know them well. I could spend hours just sliding around and really learning how to handle the AWD drift. Just the feel of the G's from spinning all wheels and staying in one place is nice to say the least. Watch out for parking blocks though.
Any suggestions as to what the sound might be for pure EPI? [This message has been edited by Scoober01 (edited February 23, 2001).] |
02-23-2001, 08:39 AM | #6 |
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I am never going to use my ebrake for tha again. Doing it on dry or wet conctete almost certinaly will cause the center diff to fry. Ice may be less forgiving. I say this as i used the ebrake to try some doughnuts in the rain in a parking lot. I used the ebrake 2 times, for a very short burst. It killed my center and rear diffs.
PURE EPI: have the dealer check the diffs, you may be in trouble like i was. Josh |
02-23-2001, 08:53 AM | #7 |
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I used to use it all the time to get myself around, but I only do it once in a while now. It's fun to scare some of the Civic drivers when you drift around a corner... LOL
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02-23-2001, 09:03 AM | #8 |
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8Complex: your the reason why im mad, hehe, j/k.
The service guy said it may have been bad form the factory. if a bad product gets off the line i can assure you i will get it. Josh |
02-23-2001, 09:27 AM | #9 |
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I had a nice one last night, headed into an almost 90-degree right-hander just after a bridge. Well I went into the corner pretty hot, and as I grabbed the binders on the straight just before it...d-oh! Slick. So I just did a Scandinavian Flick, and did a power-on drift through it. At the light, once the other cars caught up, they were checking out my Legagy wagon big time, lemme tell ya.
Either that, or they were checking out the nutjob behind the wheel. Kevin |
02-23-2001, 09:30 AM | #10 |
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I was wondering how people did power slides..
i know you can use the handbrake, but from what i just read, that hurts you car. I know rwd cars use a technique using the clutch... and also controlling the drift with the gas, giving some and letting it go. emm like popping the clutch out when you give it gas. I dont really understand it when some of you said twisting the steer wheel or jerking it real quick? I also heard about left foot braking but that seems kinda hard for me lol. With Awd cars are we never to let go off of the gas unlike Rwd cars? [This message has been edited by Weezer (edited February 23, 2001).] |
02-23-2001, 09:37 AM | #11 |
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It's all about weight transfer. If you can transfer some weight to the front and lots of weight to the side simultaneously you should break the rear end loose.
The "Scandinavian Flick" is the classic weight transfer maneuver, it involves turning the car slightly to the opposite direction of the turn to begin weight transfer to that side. Then sharp turn-in will tuck the front of the car into the corner and inertia should cause the rear end to break away. The trick is to do it under power so that you can maintain the drift and control the attitude of the car with the throttle. Try this site: http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk |
02-23-2001, 09:45 AM | #12 |
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I use the E-brake in my outback to pull 180's but only offroad on loose surfaces like gravel or sand.
It is usually just easier to left foot brake a little bit to unbalance the rear wheels. |
02-23-2001, 09:56 AM | #13 |
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you took the words right out of my mouth. Its all about the weight transfer. Any one know what the heal toe technique is? |
02-23-2001, 10:42 AM | #14 |
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Heel toe technique is quite simply using your foot on both the gas and brake at the same time. Say you're coming into a turn. You'll press the brake with the left side of your foot, and use the right side to tap the gas to rev match for the next lower gear....
(at least that the explaination I got) |
02-23-2001, 11:07 AM | #15 |
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No way I already do that, out of instinct.
Dam* I'm good. I'm a born driver, I really need to join SCCA. I know I would have a blast. The real races are so dang expensive. |
02-23-2001, 11:14 AM | #16 |
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I use the e-brake in low speed dirt corners, and the "flick" or left foot braking else where. Never use the e-brake on tarmac though.
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02-23-2001, 11:26 AM | #17 |
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I would loose the ABS. Install brake proportioning valves and give yourself a bit more rear brake bias. This will enable you to keep one foot on the gas, one foot on the brake and two hands on the wheel. It takes a bit more time to get used to but you will never take faster corners
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02-23-2001, 11:46 AM | #18 |
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You should never use your Ebrake to do 180's in an AWD car. It's really bad for your center diff. In the automatics, you can grenade the sucker.
How, you ask? The automatic is an 80/20 power split. If the comp senses that the front wheels are moving faster than the rears, it registers as slip and transfers more power to the rear. When you pull the Ebrake, you rapidly decelerate the rear - front's going faster than rear - more power to rear - brake is locked so nowhere for that power to go - boom, no more center diff. The manual doesn't transfer power, so it's not as bad, but you're still not doing your center diff any favors. |
02-23-2001, 03:11 PM | #19 |
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Does it do damage to an AT if you pull the e-brake without using any throttle?
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02-23-2001, 05:57 PM | #20 |
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Not as much, because you aren't sending more power through the driveline to make things worse, but it's still spinning, and you can still grenade it if you're going too fast.
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02-23-2001, 06:34 PM | #21 |
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Now there are 2 threads going with the same questions.
http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Forum1/HTML/019580.html Weird... Mike |
02-23-2001, 07:12 PM | #22 |
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scoober01,i live in quebec(canada)and own a MY2000 with an auto-tranny,usually i'll just let go off the throttle and the back-end will break loose('cause the auto-tranny is very quick to downshift)but the best way to do it is the pendulum technique,if you want to slide to the right,you'll steer a bit to the left first to upset the car's balance and then doin' some left foot breaking(very smoothly)steer it to the right and then it's all a matter of counter-steering it and power-slide your way out of the corner by keeping on the throttle so the wheels will spin for traction. ps:be very smooth on the brakes,and learn to fiddle with the throttle!practice makes perfect!!!
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