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02-15-2010, 12:45 AM | #276 |
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How would wrx koni's with rce yellows compare or rank to some of the set ups you drove?
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02-15-2010, 12:45 AM | #277 |
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what spring rates? what damper settings? Testing on the street and testing on the track is apples and orangutans. comparing 4k springs to 10k springs is even worse. give me a break
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02-15-2010, 12:50 AM | #278 |
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The Koni dampers are very good. The Yellows are fairly good as well. They're just a skosh lower than I fancy, as you can definitely start to feel that you're slamming into the limit of travel on some of the rougher stuff. The rates are *slightly* higher than is really necessary for street tires. For that reason, I think the Blacks (marginally softer, marginally higher) is a better spring for most people. Still good with the Konis.
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02-15-2010, 12:52 AM | #279 |
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02-15-2010, 12:53 AM | #280 |
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With 10k, they'd be even worse on the street. 10k is honestly stupid on the street. There's no streetable tire on earth that needs 10k rates. You should ALWAYS pick your spring rates based on what your tires need, not what you fancy.
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02-15-2010, 12:56 AM | #281 |
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Bingo. You can make mistakes in your setup and still be fast. Hell, you can be fast enough to win at the level of competition we're talking about and being doing *most* things wrong in terms of setup. It's not until you're at LMP/F1/WRC level that you not only have to be a fast driver, you also have to not have made any mistakes in your setup, engineering, strategy, etc.
You can put fast drivers like Tony W (or Phil, from what people say but I don't know him personally) in a damned Ford Pinto and they'll go out there and win. |
02-15-2010, 01:14 AM | #282 | |
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But that road is not smooth! I'm on Koni 8610s and Swift springs +helpers on ground controls Last edited by joltdudeuc; 02-15-2010 at 01:19 AM. |
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02-15-2010, 01:17 AM | #283 |
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02-15-2010, 01:26 AM | #284 | |
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I was watching several cars on the hwy here the other day thinking about this thread, and noticed their wheels hardly move at all. and our roads aren't the smoothest. |
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02-15-2010, 01:27 AM | #285 |
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02-15-2010, 01:40 AM | #286 | |
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D-Specs and STi springs. |
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02-15-2010, 04:58 AM | #287 | |
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Btw I'm talking about a streetable tire that is on more track focused car. |
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02-15-2010, 09:07 AM | #288 |
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10k springs on the street are pointless, but for a car on the track with street tires they aren't too high at all as long as you have the valving to support them. It's pretty amazing how compliant a car can be with great dampers, even on high spring rates. Especially once you throw a cage into the equation.
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02-15-2010, 09:32 AM | #289 |
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When do I drive my car on the street? Almost never. You stick to tuning for your neighborhood toe ghey, and I'll stick to the track
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02-15-2010, 04:17 PM | #290 |
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Please do. Because you keep arguing that what's good for the track is good for the street.
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02-15-2010, 04:57 PM | #291 |
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02-15-2010, 05:18 PM | #292 |
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The whole spring rate vs tire type isn't quite as cut an dry as one thinks. Yes, for a road course, ideally you choose spring rate and roll bar size depending on the level of lateral grip your tires provide and the balance you seek. However, for example, in autox some of those rules get tossed out the window. Mainly due to the type of driving that particular motorsport requires (i.e. violent transitions when compared to the more smooth steady state stuff on a road course). Folks racing on a road course have to incorporate tire performance longevity into the equation and higher spring rates put a larger load and more heat on tires, reducing their grip levels sooner. On shorter autox courses, tires going off after an hour on course is not as much a concern. So they tend to run much higher spring rates (to control the car in the transitions) than one would normally choose on the tires they would run.
Our problem is emulating what the "racers" are doing and attempting to apply that to our street driven cars. Its, once again, an amazing testament to the power of marketing when we see who the fast guys are, and want to run what they run...on the street! Because, um, its a faster setup...for going on the togue run to starbucks. In the end, ideally we should pick the right tool for the job. But its rarely that simple when we incorporate our egos and fantasies. |
02-15-2010, 05:32 PM | #293 |
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02-15-2010, 06:36 PM | #294 |
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Discomfort does not necessarily have to come with high spring rates.
I've been able to tune my BC's w/ 12/10k spring to as comfortable as stock. |
02-15-2010, 06:38 PM | #295 |
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02-15-2010, 07:01 PM | #296 |
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02-15-2010, 07:50 PM | #297 |
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Pretty damn close. Stock dampers are not matched to a correct spring. Bobblehead FTL
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02-15-2010, 07:54 PM | #298 | |
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02-15-2010, 08:41 PM | #299 |
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02-15-2010, 09:29 PM | #300 |
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