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05-29-2011, 02:42 PM | #1 |
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***PhatBotti Tuned: E85'ed 2011 STi, 330whp!! Per Gear Data + Tuning Discussed***
Event: Late night Airboy Dyno Pulling
Location: PhatBotti Tuning, Shelton, CT Ambient Temp: 70F Elevation: Sea Level Weather: Humid Tires: Stock 18's Car: 2011 STi Tuner: STi Mikey of PhatBotti Tuning Dyno Info: Airboy Transmission: Stock 6 Speed Gear: 3rd Peak HP: 328whp Peak Torque: 371wtq Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: 210whp (2011 STi) Target Boost: 23psi Target AFR: 11.3 Fuel: E85 Engine/Power Modifications: DW1300's / 3" TBE / Hallman MBC This car turned out to be a nice holiday weekend project! Ryan came down from Albany yesterday after installing his Invidia exhaust. We Installed the 1300's and hit the streets last night for some E85 Tuning!! This car has 3000 miles currently, so we left the tune very conservative for E85. Next month we will be installing an EWG setup as well as an air filter and fuel pump. At that point its time to goes balls out Here is the graph: I cant wait until the final product!! Ryan has plans to to auto-x the car, as well as throw it down the quarter to see what we can get out of it. I will be sure to update with results! Onto the topic of per gear tuning. It really has not been discussed here in PPB in regards to the 2011 STi's. I figured I would take some logs and discuss some data as well as give my opinion on how it should be utilized. Ron and I have discussed this topic a lot. He text me yesterday and requested that I do some 5th and 6th gear research. 5th/6th Per Gear Timing Compensation No one really speaks of the 6th gear comps as they are not defined in Romraider/ECuFlash or Cobb. First off, usage. I've talked to many different tuners and they all do different things with the per gear compensations. I think this is a great tool for the top end guys. I have a lot of stage 2 guys that like 150mph+ With this, I did a small 5th and small 6th gear pull. I was running 20* ramping to 27* at this point, and 0'ed comps in 1-4th gear, and pulled 4* out of fifth. 6th Gear Code:
LOAD RPM IGN IAT 4.09 3623 16 77 4.15 3694 16 77 4.03 3760 16 77 4.01 3834 16.5 77 3.98 3907 16.5 75 3.93 3960 16.5 75 3.85 4024 17 75 Code:
LOAD RPM IGN IAT 3.93 3694 16 75 4.04 3726 16 75 3.99 3740 16 75 3.98 3788 16 75 3.96 3830 16.5 75 3.98 3841 16.5 75 3.96 3880 16.5 77 3.96 3914 16.5 77 As far as the 6th gear compensation, It seems it is defined from the 5th gear compensation. I only did one short pull in each gear with relative IAT. Utilization of Timing Compensation in all gears Outside of the 5th/6th gear data, not only are the per gear comps useful for tuners that have customers with top end fever, but also for people that love the auto-x and 1/4 mile. In my opinion, you are completed leaving performance on the table if the comps are zero'ed in the lower gears. More advance can be utilized in 1-3, I have my own numbers for this. Im pretty sure thats how some of these boats have gone 109-111mph on pump gas To conclude, I think every gear should have its own ignition mapping different from the next. If not, the car is not being tuned to its full potential in terms of POWER and SAFETY Please feel free to comment guys, And have a safe holiday weekend!!! -Mikey
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05-29-2011, 02:56 PM | #2 |
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Thanks mike
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05-29-2011, 11:45 PM | #4 | |
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Im loving the 11's. Very potent vehicles with the new ecu tables -Mikey |
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05-30-2011, 12:24 AM | #5 |
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E85+TBE+Tune= just as much if not more power than the same car with intercooler, ewg, header, etc (aka 2x the $ spent) tuned on 93. Love it.
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05-30-2011, 06:12 PM | #6 | |
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This car will be getting a few more bolt ons soon, I'm expecting 340whp with much less taper. Its going to be a beast at the track for sure!! -Mikey |
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05-30-2011, 06:35 PM | #7 | |
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We are a different breed mikey, Im all about tearing into a fresh ass car and going fast.. Same feeling toward the 11.. Every one tuned pushes me closer to pulling the trigger. Sell the 07 get an 11 and lets have ourselves a little friendly competition!! Jr |
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05-30-2011, 07:03 PM | #8 | |
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You know I'd still rip a 40k car apart for some friendly comp Glad you are having success with them too. Like i said, the other stg2 11's I see at atco/e-town are trapping no where's near where they should (102-105mph) When you gonna be around, I'm at atco a lot. -Mikey |
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05-31-2011, 11:10 AM | #9 |
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awesome guys, that must be a fun 2011
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05-31-2011, 11:37 AM | #10 |
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if i don't trap at least 115 tomorrow i am torching my car lol OK maybe not,
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Oh man,
If I wasnt e-tuning today I would so come man. I was suppost to be at Atco tonight but just got way too busy. I have 12 files open right now for e-tunes and work just let out, lol. Good luck tonight, drive it like you stole it. Are you using the FFS and NLTS options?? They work wonders even for quick shifters, really good stuff. 11's or bust!! Good luck bro -Mikey |
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great work as usual mikey
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06-01-2011, 01:00 AM | #17 |
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Hope you had fun with your son. No one got back to me, so it was best that I stayed here to finish up some work. Ill get down there soon, I need a good dose of south jersey.
Mike with the 20g car from philly is down to play with some good octane too! -Mikey |
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Just some additional info regarding the per gear timing compensations....
They are actually available in all 2008-2011 STI's via the access port. They are only in opensource in 2011. |
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So does EcuTek for quite some time...
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Doesn't really matter, Ive talked to multiple tuners who use ecutek / cobb / OS and they just 0 the comps out. I figured I would dedicate some time to this subject so that people would start using these compensations to get more out of customer's cars, while still keeping them safe. I feel no one is getting their moneys worth with any software if timing is not added in the lower gears and removed from the taller. I know 2 people that have used the lower gear comps to their potential, and results are impressive. -Mikey |
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06-02-2011, 06:49 PM | #23 |
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Yes sir
Only with the AP though. I'm sure they can be configured through OS with some work via the romraider guys. Im assuming the comps are not defined in the wrx ROM via OS becasue they have always been 0'ed for the wrx and sti until the 11' STi rom. For record, you can not directly input values using the cobb tables with out specifying a per gear comp multiplier. I set it as 1 and directly input values for each gear. In OS, the the multiplier for the 11' STi is already integrated into the per gear equation, so inputs are direct, and no multiplier is specified. -Mikey |
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I don't use them because 5gear comp doesn't work on 6th gear - unless you fudge with the tranny gearing.
Did you post about that? Gotta warn these guys, I don't want to see a flood of stis blowing up. Next question is what happens when you trick the car to never to see 6th gear??? Idk And what about the 2/3 other gearing tables cobb and open source don't have? It's a scary thought..... I also don't trust the standard ecu logic that determines what gear the car is in. Ecutek is adding per gear comps to racerom that will allow positive and negative numbers to be added/subtracted per gear - everygear. They also rewrote the ecu code that determines what gear you in so I'll trust that ! I'm sure cobb will follow suite -John |
06-03-2011, 03:24 AM | #25 |
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John, read the first post.....logging the timing in 5th and 6th is exactly what mike did to determine that the 5th gear comp works for 6th gear
Is it common practice for u to log the "gear"? Do u have logs showing the ecu "switching gears" in the middle of a pull? I've never heard of this. |
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