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12-07-2013, 11:44 AM | #1426 | |
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Granted, it's 12 years old now(jesus...) and it was a joke in itself poking fun at how miserably slow my 1993 Legacy L was.
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12-07-2013, 11:59 AM | #1427 | |
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12-07-2013, 12:28 PM | #1428 | |
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If you're modifying a 2015 car you're likely going to be doing so via an ECU reflash.. boost controllers and boost gauges are so 90s. If you're going to be modifying seriously, you aren't going to want the dinky OEM gauge anyway. You're going to throw in a proper gauge that can be read easily. Have you even looked at the gauge up close? It's a 30psi gauge with 10psi graduations.. you aren't going to have any idea what kind of actual boost you're making via that gauge. As was said earlier.. it's either going to tell you if you're making boost or not (which even my wife could discern from her non-enthusiast buttdyno).. it's not going to tell you anything else. Have you seen the boost gauge in the Focus ST? It's incredibly inaccurate.. it's basically just a needle to flop around under throttle. The guy in the following video has an aftermarket gauge fitted below the OEM gauge (the one in the middle). OEM gauge packs are almost always an overpriced gimmick. This one looks no different. Many gauges in affordable cars are dummy gauges anyway. The water temp gauge in any new car has 3 positions.. cold, operating temp and overheat. When the operating temp is reached the gauge slowly creeps up from cold to the middle of the gauge and doesn't move unless an overheat occurs. Hell, the oil pressure gauge in the NB miata was really just tied to the idiot light.. if the oil pressure light wasn't lit it showed pressure in the middle of the range. If there oil pressure light was on, it showed zero pressure on the gauge. Those were the only two modes. It's all a bunch of cost savings. Real gauges cost money to build to a proper calibration. Dummy gauges are cheap and can swing needles around on startup to look cool and get a test driving buyer that much closer to signing for some financing. Last edited by Calamity Jesus; 12-07-2013 at 12:33 PM. |
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12-07-2013, 12:28 PM | #1429 | |
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For the 50th time, if you think Subaru should supply a boost gauge standard, they you're saying every OEM should supply a vacuum/boost gauge on EVERY car, an oil temp and pressure gauge, etc. on EVERY car from the factory. That's completely unrealistic. What else should Subaru do to make it easier/more affordable to modify your engine? Good point above: Most OE gauges aren't going to be accurate anyway for any real use. They're mostly for entertainment value. |
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12-07-2013, 01:09 PM | #1430 | |
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None of us have driven the ecoboost stang so this is all pure speculation anyway you cut it... One lap around the block would tell you whether the boost gauge was gimmicky or not. That said however you like to increase your boost, most times you probably shouldn't go more than 5 psi over stock w a stock turbo. If the gauge works properly it would be good to see that in real time. Based on the logic of the statement "there's no need for a factory boost gauge", why even have a tachometer? |
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12-07-2013, 01:30 PM | #1431 | |
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Not all Subaru's are sports cars. Yes the WRX and STI are sporty and fast and a lot of people modify them to a crazy extent, and maybe the factory SHOULD put a properly functioning boost gauge in those models, or at least have it as an option. It would be nice. But I had a turbo forester, and it was fun, but I felt no need to modify it as it was just a daily vehicle that was good for hauling stuff around. So yeah, I would agree that not all Subaru's need a boost gauge. I was just saying it's cool that Ford put one in from the factory (assuming it functions properly). The Mustang is probably the most commonly modified car in history, so props to Ford for knowing their consumer. |
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12-07-2013, 01:56 PM | #1432 |
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^^ I hope this time Ford is better in knowing their consumer by fitting a better drive shaft that does not crumble.
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12-07-2013, 02:01 PM | #1433 |
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12-07-2013, 02:36 PM | #1435 | |
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You mean the driveshafts in the V6s that broke after a few dumbass owners tuned them, removed the speed limiters and then proceeded to drive 120+ mph? Yeah, if you want to drive stupid high speeds, do the smart thing and buy the GT with the better brakes, better suspension, higher rated tires and better driveshaft, not the bargain volume seller model. Who's the target demographic for the V6 model anyway? Teenage girls and rental car companies? |
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12-07-2013, 03:13 PM | #1436 |
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If this is true, then I don't see the V6 surviving if the EB proves to be a seller. It really doesn't hurt them to offer the EB and V6 together and let the market decide.
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12-07-2013, 05:51 PM | #1437 | |
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Maybe this is their plan, offer both, then axe the one that doesn't sell well. If it's only a 500 dollar difference, is more powerful, and offers better mpg then what's the point of the V6? 'Muricans? The V6 is just a carryover anyways, right? So dumping it a year down the road isn't much of an R&D loss. |
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12-07-2013, 06:26 PM | #1438 | |
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12-07-2013, 07:03 PM | #1439 | |
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The dynamic stability of a driveshaft is a higher order function of the rotational velocity. It's at least a squared term, maybe cubed, my memory is slightly failing. At any rate Ford using an inexpensive shaft and a speed governor on the V6 car is entirely sensible and in no way indicates poor quality. |
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12-07-2013, 07:47 PM | #1440 | |
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12-07-2013, 07:50 PM | #1441 | |
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Do you even read? Nobody modified the driveshaft, they modified the speed limiter of the car which allowed the driveshaft to go beyond what it was specced for. |
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12-08-2013, 09:55 AM | #1443 |
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12-08-2013, 10:26 AM | #1444 | ||
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If the manufacturer of a product tells you not to do something with the product, and you go and do it anyway and break it - how is that the manufacturer's fault? Quote:
The V6 is the bargain basement, hairdresser's model. It doesn't make the least bit of sense to overbuild a car for the .001% of your customer base that might actually need it and raise the price for everyone in the process. Again, use the proper tool for the job. If you want to do ridiculous speeds, step up to the GT. The V6, while making 300 hp and still being quick, was never meant to be the high performance model. That's why it had a 118 mph governor, cheap tires, cheap brakes, etc. In my opinion, regardless of the driveshaft, taking the V6 up to those speeds is just reckless anyway, given all the other mechanical compromises that I just outlined. |
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12-08-2013, 10:41 AM | #1445 | ||
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The gauge calibration isn't an issue. The gauges run off CAN signals, and the ECU gets an accurate signal or [these days] models a relatively accurate signal on a stock car. |
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12-08-2013, 11:46 AM | #1446 |
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12-08-2013, 03:59 PM | #1447 |
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12-08-2013, 04:10 PM | #1448 | |
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The current gen V6 mustang costs $23k, if the turbo 4 is $24k, then yeah, I'd say its the best value performance vehicle on the market. |
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12-08-2013, 04:41 PM | #1449 |
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If the EB 4 Mustang comes in at around the $24k mark, sign me up in a few years. But, I know that won't happen. Car and pricing will be more upmarket.
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12-08-2013, 08:04 PM | #1450 | |
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Then again, they may not give two craps less, because the EB was intended for the European market. Anything sold in the USDM is icing on the cake as the engineering and design is already a sunk cost. Last edited by FaastLegacy; 12-08-2013 at 08:10 PM. |
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