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Old 01-28-2021, 11:03 AM   #1
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News 2022 Subaru Outback News and Rumors

Likely changes -
  • 2.5-liter powerplant will come with 185 h.p. and 181 lb-ft of torque. The 2021 Outback 2.5-liter engine produces 182 h.p. and 176 lb-ft of torque.
  • New passenger seat cushion airbag. Subaru says in the event of a frontal collision, this airbag is designed to push up the seat's front section, helping to prevent forward movement at the waist. The new airbag can prevent the body from sinking below the seatbelt and improve the restraint protection performance, reducing chest injuries. Suppressing the front passenger's leg movement minimizes contact with the instrument panel and can reduce leg injuries.
  • Higher towing capacity 4,400 lbs. Current models offer 2,700 lbs for the 2.5-liter engine and 3,500 lbs with the 2.4-liter turbocharged XT models.
  • The next-generation EyeSight X driver-assist technology with:
    - new lane-centering function
    - autonomous emergency steering
    - emergency lane keep assist
    - new speed sign recognition with an intelligent speed limiter
    - pre-collision braking system with expanded support for collision avoidance at intersections
    - lane departure warning with steering wheel vibration, lane departure prevention
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:44 AM   #2
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I don't see this for all trims. Maybe the Wilderness Edition IF we get them at all. The only part of that I agree with, because we've seen the test car, is EyeSight X.


Towing is a big thing in Australia. Like the Forester's towing didn't drop to 1500lbs there when ours did. Theirs retained the higher towing. There was a good discussion here about it. I don't think we'll see that. Cross fingers to be wrong because that would be a notch in the Outback's column for when I decide this year.
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:09 PM   #3
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Damn, that new towing capacity will be nice... Not many vehicles in that price bracket that aren't trucks that can town 4400lbs.
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:37 PM   #4
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Damn, that new towing capacity will be nice... Not many vehicles in that price bracket that aren't trucks that can town 4400lbs.
As long as Subaru replaces the HTCVT when it blows... we should be OK
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:39 PM   #5
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As long as Subaru replaces the HTCVT when it blows... we should be OK
The 7 year extended warranty is a must buy if youíre keeping long term.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:53 PM   #6
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I always decided against extended warranties because I don't ever think I'll keep my cars that long, but I seem to be keeping my cars longer the older I get. 4.5 years for my BRZ and almost 4 years for my current Impreza. I think next Subie I get will probably get the extended warranty just for the extra peace of mind.
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:35 PM   #7
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I always decided against extended warranties because I don't ever think I'll keep my cars that long, but I seem to be keeping my cars longer the older I get. 4.5 years for my BRZ and almost 4 years for my current Impreza. I think next Subie I get will probably get the extended warranty just for the extra peace of mind.



But you put tons of miles on your cars as well. You can get a customized extended warranty for short years and long miles. There are several different options. I got the 8/120K for my '18 Impreza.

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Old 01-28-2021, 05:06 PM   #8
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Can you refund said extended warranties if you don't use them? (I mean sell the car with years/miles left on said warranty, or before you even get to the extended warranty)
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Can you refund said extended warranties if you don't use them? (I mean sell the car with years/miles left on said warranty, or before you even get to the extended warranty)
Yes, you can. You can cancel any of these extended warranties at any time; at least in California (pro-rated refund).
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towing 4400 lbs with a 181 lbft engine...

sure, it can be done... but it won't be fun.
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Old 01-28-2021, 08:46 PM   #11
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towing 4400 lbs with a 181 lbft engine...

sure, it can be done... but it won't be fun.
You think people had a **** ton of torque to tow back in the 70's or 80's?

As long as you aren't doing steep grades at altitude, you don't need 800ftlbs of torque

Look at what people tow with in Europe... Small wagons and sedans with even less hp.
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towing 4400 lbs with a 181 lbft engine...

sure, it can be done... but it won't be fun.
In a car that weights 3,600-3,900 #s.

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Maybe they should drop the hideous cladding on the front and rear. The 17s looked great.
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I always decided against extended warranties because I don't ever think I'll keep my cars that long, but I seem to be keeping my cars longer the older I get. 4.5 years for my BRZ and almost 4 years for my current Impreza. I think next Subie I get will probably get the extended warranty just for the extra peace of mind.
We've got 3 cars in the stable... each one is 15 years old.
They're serving their purposes and I'm not compelled enough by what's out there to let go of the $$. Eh, maybe soon for an Ascent or Telluride, though. (And I'm almost starting to feel guilty about the oil-changes-for-life deal I got on my Legacy sedan when I bought it new. )

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We've got 3 cars in the stable... each one is 17 years old.
They're serving their purposes and I'm not compelled enough by what's out there to let go of the $$. Eh, maybe soon for an Ascent or Telluride, though. (And I'm almost starting to feel guilty about the oil-changes-for-life deal I got on my Legacy sedan when I bought it new. )
Hey! Good to see you back!

Those oil changes don't cost them much and it keeps you going back to them, so don't feel too bad.

I agree there really isn't anything compelling at the moment. I think we're at the cusp of change, though, and it began with MY2020 cars (Supra, Corvette, Outback and Legacy XT, etc.) until now (new 400Z, updated Supra, Yaris GR-4, Golf R, etc).
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[...]Look at what people tow with in Europe... Small wagons and sedans with even less hp.
True. But most of them are still using turbo Diesel engines and most of them are either using a manual or a planetary geared auto.
(HT)CVT + N/A oversquare gas engines? Not so much.
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True. But most of them are still using turbo Diesel engines and most of them are either using a manual or a planetary geared auto.
(HT)CVT + N/A oversquare gas engines? Not so much.
I mean, if no one's buying them then how are you gonna see them working?
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You think people had a **** ton of torque to tow back in the 70's or 80's?

As long as you aren't doing steep grades at altitude, you don't need 800ftlbs of torque

Look at what people tow with in Europe... Small wagons and sedans with even less hp.


I said nothing of the sort. Keep those words in your own mouth. It's just going to suck. Merging onto an uphill highway on-ramp while towing a 4400 load in an outback... yeah, sign me up! No, in fact, please don't.

Subaru is trying to extrapolate the capacity of the car here to try to compete with other larger and more capable competitors. They want to get that check mark on those comparison charts, but they're really, really pushing it.
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I said nothing of the sort. Keep those words in your own mouth. It's just going to suck. Merging onto an uphill highway on-ramp while towing a 4400 load in an outback... yeah, sign me up! No, in fact, please don't.

Subaru is trying to extrapolate the capacity of the car here to try to compete with other larger and more capable competitors. They want to get that check mark on those comparison charts, but they're really, really pushing it.
SOA really has nothing to loose with the change. It may open up some sales to more truck based people. However, profitability is still down low to high 40s percentage-wise. At what point do you work more on the product than figuring different marketing spins?

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Hey! Good to see you back!

Those oil changes don't cost them much and it keeps you going back to them, so don't feel too bad.

I agree there really isn't anything compelling at the moment. I think we're at the cusp of change, though, and it began with MY2020 cars (Supra, Corvette, Outback and Legacy XT, etc.) until now (new 400Z, updated Supra, Yaris GR-4, Golf R, etc).
Thanks.
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You think people had a **** ton of torque to tow back in the 70's or 80's?
In the early 1970ís? Hell yes. A ****box 1972 Ford galaxy 500 had 277 foot pounds of torque at 2000rpm. Even a 1985 Ford bronco had 250 foot pounds.
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In the early 1970's? Hell yes. A ****box 1972 Ford galaxy 500 had 277 foot pounds of torque at 2000rpm. Even a 1985 Ford bronco had 250 foot pounds.
Exactly, V8's not even making 300ftlbs and most are under 200hp. You don't need 300hp and 500ftlbs to tow something.
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I said nothing of the sort. Keep those words in your own mouth. It's just going to suck. Merging onto an uphill highway on-ramp while towing a 4400 load in an outback... yeah, sign me up! No, in fact, please don't.

Subaru is trying to extrapolate the capacity of the car here to try to compete with other larger and more capable competitors. They want to get that check mark on those comparison charts, but they're really, really pushing it.
Keep this in mind. What is the Outback's tow rating now? Not enough for you? What do you have to do? At least now(IF we get it in the states), those people that want an Outback DD and have something heavy to tow occasionally, they'll have that ability without having to go buy a whole other vehicle. So, the situation for those like you won't really change.
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Keep this in mind. What is the Outback's tow rating now? Not enough for you? What do you have to do? At least now(IF we get it in the states), those people that want an Outback DD and have something heavy to tow occasionally, they'll have that ability without having to go buy a whole other vehicle. So, the situation for those like you won't really change.
If it is 4400 on the XT model only, I can see it. The article doesn't really differentiate between the different engines. Hopefully that's just an oversight on their part.

Personally, I have a vehicle that can do 5k lbs, and with the hp/tq and 8speed auto, and overall weight, I'd feel comfortable with that. I have no desire to ever tow anything with our 2014 outback. The thing struggles with 4 adults in the car.

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If they increase it for us at all, XT or not, they had better put the TSA on it.
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