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Old 02-01-2021, 03:56 PM   #26
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If it is 4400 on the XT model only, I can see it. The article doesn't really differentiate between the different engines. Hopefully that's just an oversight on their part.

Personally, I have a vehicle that can do 5k lbs, and with the hp/tq and 8speed auto, and overall weight, I'd feel comfortable with that. I have no desire to ever tow anything with our 2014 outback. The thing struggles with 4 adults in the car.
It's torque news. NASIOC getting its panties in a bunch over a known clickbait site is facepalm inducing
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Slow news cycle.
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Old 02-01-2021, 05:07 PM   #28
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This was presented as confirmed news.......for Australia. I just don't think we'll get it.
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There needs to be a third news&rumor sub-forum specifically for ROW vehicles.

Australia hasn't gotten their SGP Outbacks yet. That's what the information TN pulled from and inserted it into our market. The info coming out about increased tow rating likely has to do with AUS tow rating standards being different than ours and their Outback changing to SGP. They apparently only get the 2.5 engine too and no word on the 2.4DIT or diesel as the H6 is dead. Sucks for them, they don't even get the Ascent.
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Old 02-01-2021, 06:53 PM   #30
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This was presented as confirmed news.......for Australia. I just don't think we'll get it.
That's even worse. Subarus in other markets tend to have much higher tow ratings than here. A Forester in Australia is rated for 1800 kg (3968 lb) today. That's more than double the rating in the US. Stop clicking on torque news links and giving them revenue.
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Old 02-01-2021, 07:20 PM   #31
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That's even worse. Subarus in other markets tend to have much higher tow ratings than here. A Forester in Australia is rated for 1800 kg (3968 lb) today. That's more than double the rating in the US. Stop clicking on torque news links and giving them revenue.
General statement? Cause I don't. My comment was based off OP's OP.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:00 PM   #33
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Is this a MY22?

The headlights, bumper, grille and wheel-well cladding look different than the MY21 Outback in the US. This is Motor1.com Italy.

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I actually like that. They should offer a full matte black edition keeping the brushed aluminum bits.
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The wheel arch cladding looks similar to the camo'd spy shots of the Wilderness trim. It could be a refresh inline with the 2022 Wilderness.
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Old 02-24-2021, 04:41 PM   #36
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Dunno if they'd do such a change before BMC; but, who knows. It could also just be cause it's another market. '08 era Legacy in Europe had some significant differences to USDM.
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Anything to help break up all that unpainted black plastic. But it still looks terrible to me. Before my wife bought her Ascent, I was like maybe we should look into the new Outback and was like nope. For the small price difference between them, it makes way more sense to buy an Ascent over an Outback. Looks far better, more cargo area and is more capable all around.
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Anything to help break up all that unpainted black plastic. But it still looks terrible to me. Before my wife bought her Ascent, I was like maybe we should look into the new Outback and was like nope. For the small price difference between them, it makes way more sense to buy an Ascent over an Outback. Looks far better, more cargo area and is more capable all around.
Small price difference? The price gap is pretty huge ($6k+) as far as Subaru's go. There's a reason Outback outsells the Ascent over 2-1.
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Small price difference? The price gap is pretty huge ($6k+) as far as Subaru's go. There's a reason Outback outsells the Ascent over 2-1.
It is only $5,500 difference between a base 2.5L NA Outback and the base Ascent with its 2.4L Turbo. Hardly fair to compare, but sure go ahead. Now if we compare the lowest 2.4L Turbo Outback XT trim. The Outback Onyx XT @ $35,145 against the base Ascent @ $32,295. Which at this level of the Ascent doesn't get you the extra towing, so let's bump this up to the Ascent Premium which does get you 5000lb towing @ $34,795. That actually makes the first two trims of the Ascent cheaper than an Outback XT.

So yes the Ascent is the better buy all around. You really have to love that black unpainted plastic to think the Outback is a better value.
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Not everyone wants a huge ass suv. Itís not a question of value.
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It is only $5,500 difference between a base 2.5L NA Outback and the base Ascent with its 2.4L Turbo. Hardly fair to compare, but sure go ahead. Now if we compare the lowest 2.4L Turbo Outback XT trim. The Outback Onyx XT @ $35,145 against the base Ascent @ $32,295. Which at this level of the Ascent doesn't get you the extra towing, so let's bump this up to the Ascent Premium which does get you 5000lb towing @ $34,795. That actually makes the first two trims of the Ascent cheaper than an Outback XT.

So yes the Ascent is the better buy all around. You really have to love that black unpainted plastic to think the Outback is a better value.
If size is your measure of value...not if content is your measure of value.
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It's fair to compare the OBXT and Ascent but most people don't actually need the turbo engine and size. Most Outback sales are for the n/a engine. Saying it's only $5500 difference is naive. That's a huge difference in price.
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The Outback is not exactly small either. So if you want to complain about size, don't choose an Outback either.

Yes the Ascent is bigger, but honestly side by side there is not much perceived difference. Length is under 6 inches. Width under 3 inches and height is just over 5 inches. Height is going to make it seem much bigger, but these two cars are fairly similar in size. It is really about how the packaging was done.
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If size is your measure of value...not if content is your measure of value.
Its a Subaru, they have have the same practical content between them. Now if you compared it with a competing manufacture, you would have room for a discussion.
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I feel like you get more from a base Ascent then you would from the entry-level OBXT for the price. That being said, it doesn't matter that you think the dimensions are negligible, because in reality they aren't.
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Dimensions are hard facts, not opinion. 6 inches is like the length of an average male's hand. That is negligible when you are talking about two vehicles that are both near 200 inches long.

Now considering that the general buying public base buying a car on their feelings and what they perceive is good to them. Is how and why you say that 6 inches in added length doesn't seem negligible.

Both vehicles have their place. The lower tier Outback is where they sell the most and where it makes the most sense. The XT is just their for some additional sales and to keep people in a Subaru and not going to a competitor. But that doesn't mean buying OBXT over an Ascent is the logical choice.
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Dimensions are hard facts, not opinion. 6 inches is like the length of an average male's hand. That is negligible when you are talking about two vehicles that are both near 200 inches long.

Now considering that the general buying public base buying a car on their feelings and what they perceive is good to them. Is how and why you say that 6 inches in added length doesn't seem negligible.

Both vehicles have their place. The lower tier Outback is where they sell the most and where it makes the most sense. The XT is just their for some additional sales and to keep people in a Subaru and not going to a competitor. But that doesn't mean buying OBXT over an Ascent is the logical choice.
When you have people here complaining at millimeter increases in size, 6 inches is HUGE. I'm sure this happens at other manufacturer dealers; but, I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've quoted dimensions....watched/helped customers use tape measures to see how big what they are looking at is. I've talked to a few or our customers that used to have an Outback and upgraded to an Ascent and told me they could no longer park in their garage. That isn't "negligible".

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I feel like you get more from a base Ascent then you would from the entry-level OBXT for the price. That being said, it doesn't matter that you think the dimensions are negligible, because in reality they aren't.

Have you been in a Base Ascent? The only thing "better" I can think of is the tri-zone temp and a third row.
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The Outback is not exactly small either. So if you want to complain about size, don't choose an Outback either.

Yes the Ascent is bigger, but honestly side by side there is not much perceived difference. Length is under 6 inches. Width under 3 inches and height is just over 5 inches. Height is going to make it seem much bigger, but these two cars are fairly similar in size. It is really about how the packaging was done.
The mental gymnastics on here is insane. Yeah, a three row SUV that's 6 inches longer is totally the same size as the two row alternative. You know what's only 4 inches longer than an Ascent? A Chevy Tahoe, so I guess they're the same size too, in which case a Tahoe and an Outback are basically the same size too.

There's a reason why the Outback outsells the Ascent despite the Ascent being offered with zero percent financing essentially from the time it was released. It's a big ass SUV and not everyone wants or needs that. If you own one, you should enjoy it but don't misunderstand that the Ascent has zero appeal to a lot of people.
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Have you been in a Base Ascent? The only thing "better" I can think of is the tri-zone temp and a third row.
Cupholders, yo!!
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A mid size CUV or SUV without a third row is pointless.
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