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Old 02-25-2021, 07:07 PM   #51
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A mid size CUV or SUV without a third row is pointless.
Not many people have 5 extra people to haul around.
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Old 02-25-2021, 07:28 PM   #52
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So buy a truck. Or a smaller CUV. Or a BRZ.
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Old 02-25-2021, 07:38 PM   #53
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A mid size CUV or SUV without a third row is pointless.
Wrong. Whatís actually pointless is having a third row eating up cargo space when it never gets used (or even worse, being constantly folded down which is a clear indication itís unneeded).

A person with four kids in car seats might need a 3rd row. Most other people donít as sales suggests.
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Old 02-25-2021, 07:42 PM   #54
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Wrong. Whatís actually pointless is having a third row eating up cargo space when it never gets used (or even worse, being constantly folded down which is a clear indication itís unneeded).

A person with four kids in car seats might need a 3rd row. Most other people donít as sales suggests.
So are you saying the Ascent is pointless?
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Old 02-25-2021, 08:03 PM   #55
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Wrong. Whatís actually pointless is having a third row eating up cargo space when it never gets used (or even worse, being constantly folded down which is a clear indication itís unneeded).

A person with four kids in car seats might need a 3rd row. Most other people donít as sales suggests.
While this is true regarding the 3rd row, with the 3rd row seats folded down, it still has more cargo capacity than 5 passenger CUV's. I have used my 3rd row a handful of times but the extra cargo capacity is used much more. I have loaded up my Santa Fe with 5 people and ski/snowboard gear/coolers/etc. Plus it has a standard V6 for the extra power.

The Ascent wasn't around yet and H6 Outback wasn't great. Plus the Outback cost as much as what I paid for my Santa Fe.
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Old 02-25-2021, 08:30 PM   #56
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Wrong. Whatís actually pointless is having a third row eating up cargo space when it never gets used (or even worse, being constantly folded down which is a clear indication itís unneeded).

A person with four kids in car seats might need a 3rd row. Most other people donít as sales suggests.
Or its folded down for said cargo space and the purchaser wanting a vehicle that has a higher tow rating... ahem Outback XT cannot match.
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Old 02-26-2021, 10:30 AM   #57
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Cupholders, yo!!
Dang. Forgot about that.
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Old 02-26-2021, 10:42 AM   #58
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Or its folded down for said cargo space and the purchaser wanting a vehicle that has a higher tow rating... ahem Outback XT cannot match.
Needing a higher tow rating seems like a good reason to buy the Ascent. However, if a vestigial 3rd row is better than a second one, why stop there? They should offer a 4th row and 5th row to the market as well. Given the increased usability, I'm sure it will sell super well.
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Old 02-26-2021, 11:04 AM   #59
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Lots of us have been saying it for years, but I'll repeat it: Subaru needs a minivan. Just imagine the possibilities! FOUR rows. TWENTY cupholders. TWO sliding doors. THREE rear-facing baby seats.

It would be pure family insanity.
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Old 02-26-2021, 11:28 AM   #60
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Lots of us have been saying it for years, but I'll repeat it: Subaru needs a minivan. Just imagine the possibilities! FOUR rows. TWENTY cupholders. TWO sliding doors. THREE rear-facing baby seats.

It would be pure family insanity.
If you can't fit 4 rear facing child seats next to each other in every row (including the driver's seat) it's not good enough. Forget about sporty and practical turbo fun cars. What the world needs is MOAR HUGE SUVs!
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I'll entertain a Subaru minivan with 8.7 inches of ground clearance. I'll convert it to a camper minivan.
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Old 02-26-2021, 11:35 AM   #62
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If you can't fit 4 rear facing child seats next to each other in every row (including the driver's seat) it's not good enough. Forget about sporty and practical turbo fun cars. What the world needs is MOAR HUGE SUVs!
Give the Ascent engine and make sure it can tow 5k, and then I think we'll be on (to) something.
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Old 02-26-2021, 11:41 AM   #63
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Lots of us have been saying it for years, but I'll repeat it: Subaru needs a minivan. Just imagine the possibilities! FOUR rows. TWENTY cupholders. TWO sliding doors. THREE rear-facing baby seats.

It would be pure family insanity.

They should. Stomp Honda and Toyota in one fail swoop.


They also need a compact truck as that segment is the biggest (trucks) in the USA. They could also sell it to the Aussies, etc.


"But we're small!"
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Old 02-26-2021, 11:51 AM   #64
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Give the Ascent engine and make sure it can tow 5k, and then I think we'll be on (to) something.
Why stop at 5k? Give it four ascent engines and a rating of 20k.
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It shall have the smoothest CVT engagement of all the worlds.
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Old 02-26-2021, 12:03 PM   #66
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It shall have the smoothest CVT engagement of all the worlds.
And every wire will be cheap with no shielding for maximum electrical problems.
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Old 02-26-2021, 01:59 PM   #67
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So are you saying the Ascent is pointless?
I am. At its price point the interior and CVT transmission is not up to snuff in the $40k price range much like the Chevy Blazer that's also not a $40k vehicle. It's selling okay but it's by far the worst value vehicle in Subaru's lineup as the Outback and Forester are considerably better value.
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Yeah but that's my job.
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Old 02-26-2021, 06:15 PM   #69
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They should. Stomp Honda and Toyota in one fail swoop.


They also need a compact truck as that segment is the biggest (trucks) in the USA. They could also sell it to the Aussies, etc.


"But we're small!"

Dumb idea. Minivans are another collapsed segment and hyper-competitive on top of that. No room for new entrants in the minivan market.
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I guess the rest of us should just pack up and go home, then.
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I guess the rest of us should just pack up and go home, then.


It's just...look, I'll admit, I went a little overboard. But I just don't see any more room here. Surrey.
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Old 02-27-2021, 11:28 AM   #72
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Dumb idea. Minivans are another collapsed segment and hyper-competitive on top of that. No room for new entrants in the minivan market.
Minivan would have been a smarter move than the Ascent. There's more competition in the crossover space and an AWD minivan with 8.7 inches of ground clearance would have actually distinguished itself from the competition.
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Old 03-01-2021, 11:41 AM   #73
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Wrong. What's actually pointless is having a third row eating up cargo space when it never gets used (or even worse, being constantly folded down which is a clear indication it's unneeded).

A person with four kids in car seats might need a 3rd row. Most other people don't as sales suggests.
Family of 4 with a 3 row. Was a requirement for our most recent car purchase. Pointless? I think not. When the in laws are in town, we can now actually pick them up from the airport in 1 vehicle. When our oldest wants to bring a friend (or two or three) along somewhere, we can take one car, instead of two.

The ascent is a decent car. I liked it, until I put the transmission in drive and hit the gas pedal. It was an almost instantaneous "nope, we're going back to the toyota dealer". The cvt has seemingly gotten worse since our '14 outback. Maybe more capable, but I can't stand the way it drives with its stupid fake shifts. Cant hold a candle against the 8speed auto in the highlander.
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Old 03-01-2021, 01:07 PM   #74
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I really have a hard time accepting the CVT hate in favor of traditional automatics. I just never liked the feel of automatics, but I instantly felt at home with the CVT. Even in the Ascent. It's not the best, because of the fake shifts as you mentioned, but fake shifts vs actual shifts are moot to me, I don't like feeling the shifts. It's unfortunate that consumers have watered down what a CVT is supposed to be by requesting fake shifts just to "have that old thing back". I don't think I'll ever understand.
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Old 03-01-2021, 01:17 PM   #75
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What is the benefit of having a CVT if you're going to make it function like a traditional automatic transmission?
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