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Old 02-21-2021, 04:58 PM   #51
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I'm never quite sure what they mean by notchy. Maybe like my 1997 Integra GSR? There was like no play in it, felt very mechanical. It wasn't my favorite, prefered the BMW shifters which are much longer and don't like to be rushed.

The one in my 2020 Si is really good though, doesn't feel like the GSR which was overly mechanical feeling for me.
What is your feeling on the clutch? I absolutely hated it. No resistance at all. Definitely not my style haha.
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Old 02-21-2021, 10:46 PM   #52
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I totally agree with the comment on the VW DSG. I drove a bunch of Volkswagens for my work last year, and after being surprised at how responsive it is, it's still an automatic. I absolutely hated the manual we had. It had an uncommunicative friction point, and on top of that, if you weren't in sport mode, it would shut off cylinders, and shut off the engine when you were at a stop. So starting on a hill was usually a total guess because you would be sitting there with the engine off, and then it would start on just 2 cylinders while you were trying to find the friction point on the clutch. That said, with the DSG being a boring auto, I still found myself preferring the manual just because there was more to do.
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Old 02-22-2021, 09:10 AM   #53
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Which 'RWD biased' STI did you have? Subaru went to a 41/59 torque split in 2006 and it only feels like it's pushing from the rear when you're nearing the limit at full boost in my experience. The '05 & '04s felt much better with their 35/65.

I don't understand why Subaru didn't go back to it, and decided to lean on yaw control in recent years.
It was an '09, so the 41/59 torque split. I can't speak to full boost effecting grip and feeling the rear power (with stock tune and seasonally appropriate tires), but on loose surfaces it was noticeable to me, especially since most of the cars I've owned have been FWD or FWD biased.

On dry surfaces if you set DCCD to Auto - (giving you the 41/59 split) during cornering the front felt "lighter" as the tires were doing less of the pulling compared to just auto, but it was nothing like driving an actually RWD car.
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Old 03-01-2021, 08:44 AM   #54
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When the highly-anticipated fifth-generation Subaru WRX races into Australia later this year, followed by the new Subaru WRX STI in 2022, they’ll be flexing considerably larger muscles than ever before.

That’s the word from reports out of Japan, with the 2021 Subaru WRX to pump out 213kW of power and 412Nm of torque from its all-new FA24 2.4-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol boxer engine.

Sources in Japan have told Best Car Web the 2022 Subaru WRX STI will also produce a Civic Type R-smashing 294kW and 490Nm from a more advanced development of the FA24 mill, thanks to stronger pistons, con rods and other internals.

The report backs up carsales’ sources who last year told us the new Subaru WRX STI would be the most powerful version yet, putting output at around 300kW/500Nm.

As such, Subaru looks set to return to a position of dominance in the affordable performance car segment, claiming all-important bragging rights in the popular genre while delivering next-level acceleration and potentially a few chassis tricks to bolster its all-wheel drive credentials.

Other new details that have come to light for Subaru WRX buyers include a choice of either manual or automatic gearbox, however the latter is tipped to be a continuation of the continuously variable transmission (CVT).

Those hoping for a sweet-shifting and more engaging conventional auto like in the Ford Focus ST, or perhaps a dual-clutch auto favoured by the Volkswagen Golf GTI and Golf R, will be sorely disappointed.

However, as carsales recently reported, Subaru Australia’s senior management team has promised the new WRX will get improvements in “everything from powerplants, transmissions, all the things that the Rex fans really crave”.


It’s not yet clear if the WRX STI will offer an automatic gearbox or remain a six-speed manual as has traditionally been the case.

Best Car Web is also reporting the new 2021 Subaru WRX will be 55mm longer, 55mm wider and 25mm lower than the current model, riding on a 20mm-longer wheelbase. That would make it 4650mm long, 1850mm wide and 1450mm tall, with a 2670mm wheelbase, and could potentially see the WRX move up into the mid-size passenger car class.

Until we get a close look at the new WRX, the new Subaru Levorg (pictured) provides a good look at the styling direction for the incoming Rex, along with important other details such as its new platform architecture, premium cabin upgrades (11.6-inch central touch-screen and 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster, for example) and adaptive dampers.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:13 AM   #55
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For the lazy:
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213 kW = 285 hp
412 Nm = 303 lb-ft

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294 kW = 395 hp
490 Nm = 361 lb-ft
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:15 AM   #56
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i'll believe it when i see it
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Old 03-01-2021, 11:36 AM   #57
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For the lazy:
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213 kW = 285 hp
412 Nm = 303 lb-ft

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i'll believe it when i see it
I'd be happy with those numbers for both models just as long as the motor is reliable. Though Subaru's track record has been anything but stellar, e.g. Forged internals, horrible ECU tuning from the factory.
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Old 03-01-2021, 11:37 AM   #58
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Subaru said back in 2013/14 that their problem with selling a WRX hatch or wagon in the US was as much an issue of them not having the corporate bandwidth to add yet another model to their lineup than anything. There's much more to the process of bringing a car to market than just building and homologating it, they said. I believed it because hey, the Levorg was right there, y u no give me?

Maybe the rumored Subaru+Toyota hatchback endeavor is just Subaru building a WRX hatch and letting Toyota pop a badge on it and take it from there? Call it a Celica, Corolla even. Hell everyone says they look alike all the time anyhow. Toyota can handle all of that other stuff that Subaru claimed to not have the bandwidth for 7 years ago. Then Toyota gets to be the ones to unwind the vice from the balls of all of the people looking longingly at the Yaris GR and that conspicuous (to us enthusiasts) hole in their lineup gets filled in North America.

I also think the Yaris GR is awesome, but 100% definitely wouldn't consider buying one. 285hp and 303lb-ft in a rebadged 3200lb Impreza hatch would be uh, pretty good compromise. I would buy that, Pre would probably buy that begrudgingly. Seems if this were the case, would be the next generation Impreza that would get the treatment.
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Old 03-01-2021, 02:36 PM   #59
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They kind of have an alien look from the front. Not overly sporting from head on as it's got a bit of a SUV vibe which makes sense seeing this will be the basis for the next Crosstrek.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:25 PM   #60
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The new Levorg looks very flat. The previous Levorg looked great to me, despite my not being a fan of the VA WRX ever. I'm hoping the next WRX doesn't look like a Levorg sedan, and that the STI doesn't look like either the Levorg or WRX.
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Old 03-01-2021, 05:29 PM   #61
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The new Levorg looks very flat. The previous Levorg looked great to me, despite my not being a fan of the VA WRX ever. I'm hoping the next WRX doesn't look like a Levorg sedan, and that the STI doesn't look like either the Levorg or WRX.
I hope the next STI looks EXACTLY like the Levorg.
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Old 03-01-2021, 07:53 PM   #62
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eww no
The white levorg in that pic sports an sti badge, and the style looks bad and un-sporty.
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Old 03-01-2021, 08:00 PM   #63
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It's the least aggressive turbo Subie since the 2008 WRX. It has a tiny face and the front has a bunch of zig-zagging lines. The white one especially resembles a partially crumpled piece of paper.

Also it might be the picture, but the pinched front makes the tall roof look even more pronounced.
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Old 03-01-2021, 08:28 PM   #64
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eww no
The white levorg in that pic sports an sti badge, and the style looks bad and un-sporty.
We'll be fine as long as that 400 hp FA24DIT holds together.
I'd gladly trade "sporty" looks for a solid, reliable, engine that consistently make power on 91. We've been waiting long enough.

Besides, WRX4US' point is that he'd prefer an STI with a Levorg body, current looks and all, instead of an STI sedan.
If I'm being honest myself, so would I.
But, for sure, HTCVT won't cut it, we need a VHTCVT or SHTCVT to deal with 360 lb.ft .
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Old 03-01-2021, 08:32 PM   #65
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yeah nah... this is pretty hawt and like a gajillion times better looking than the current model. STI looking like this and with the 395HP would be a homerun by Subaru as far as I'm concerned. Any complaint after that would be splitting hairs.



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Old 03-01-2021, 08:37 PM   #66
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Not overly sporting from head on as it's got a bit of a SUV vibe which makes sense seeing this will be the basis for the next Crosstrek.
I think it looks like a pretty sporty SUV. If that's what the WRX looks like it's going to suck.
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Old 03-01-2021, 08:39 PM   #67
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yeah nah... this is pretty hawt and like a gajillion times better looking than the current model. STI looking like this and with the 395HP would be a homerun by Subaru as far as I'm concerned. Any complaint after that would be splitting hairs.



Add two inch fender flares on both sides and an aggressive front lip spoiler and you might be on to something.
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Old 03-01-2021, 10:18 PM   #68
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I realize they are trying to work with the the edges of the grill but the headlights look pushed out to the corners and small. Somebody at Subaru definitely has a hard on for sharp angles and creases.
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Old 03-01-2021, 11:32 PM   #69
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I can believe the WRX numbers, but there is no way Subaru is getting 395hp/361 lb-ft out of a turbo 4-cylinder reliably. Yes, AMG MB has done it with their inline-4, but not ring-land and rod bearing failure prone Subaru.
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Old 03-01-2021, 11:42 PM   #70
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For the lazy:
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213 kW = 285 hp
412 Nm = 303 lb-ft

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294 kW = 395 hp
490 Nm = 361 lb-ft
those numbers are too specific not to be legit. The FA 2.4 can make those numbers with no sweat given that it has direct injection, better compression, will have reworked heads and valve timing most likely over the current regular production FA 2.4 and exhaust and turbo upgrades. Given that subaru had a 395 horespower EJ2.5 that was sold in Europe, the more modern FA will do it better and with warrantied reliability.

Now we just need a dual clutch to back it and it will be a game changer in the class.
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If the wrx torque numbers end up being correct, and it does put out 303ft lbs of torque, what adjustments did they make to cvt to allow to handle those much higher numbers yet, avoid slipping. Also, is it possible for them to put a launch gear similar to Toyota so it can handle standing starts
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:30 AM   #73
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Default Subaru WRX coming late 2021,STI turbo flagship also confirmed to be ‘slightly behind’

I’m actually really surprised to see a fa24 in the wrx. Does this make the fa20 dead???? It sure sounds like it. We already know the fa24 is capable of great numbers from Prime Motoring’s work.
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:44 AM   #74
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I realize they are trying to work with the the edges of the grill but the headlights look pushed out to the corners and small. Somebody at Subaru definitely has a hard on for sharp angles and creases.
This is my main issue with the front as well. The small, pushed out headlights. At least from 3/4 angle it looks mostly good again.
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:27 AM   #75
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If the wrx torque numbers end up being correct, and it does put out 303ft lbs of torque, what adjustments did they make to cvt to allow to handle those much higher numbers yet, avoid slipping. Also, is it possible for them to put a launch gear similar to Toyota so it can handle standing starts



Did you ask that same question back when they announced the HTCVT? I'd imagine it's a similar answer.
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