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Old 10-24-2018, 03:21 PM   #1001
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it wasn´t my intention to discredit the military personal of the US.

For you, a General´s uniform displays the men and women doing service

For me, a General´s uniform is the display of power, and since the Nazis back in 1936 were using the Olympic games for their vulgar display of power, it´s something that doesn´t feel right for me, the combination of military and sport events.

You and me, we are living in different cultures. Again, no intention to harm anyones feelings.
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:02 AM   #1002
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I don't see an offense, or a need to apologize. You simply stated your honest reaction. One which should be understandable. Some people forget that not everyone lives the same life as they do. Some people also get pretty offended when American military isn't refereed to in the most high of regards. It's a bigger thing lately, it seems.

I think those of the military are strong enough to go on if you don't "apologize". At least they say they are strong. It's not like they don't fight for the constitution, which enumerates the freedom of speech.

Luckily on Nasioc the 1st amendment is practiced. That and once that nationalist defamed both sport and politics (1936), it got kinda hard to see the military at events like that.

Good ole pp creep.

Edit: yay kimi Talk about a vintage commentary too.

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Old 10-25-2018, 06:56 AM   #1003
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Hey Torquemada. I've loved your comments and the great photos that you've posted here over the years.

But, your comment is out-of-line.

Please issue an apology to all service members and veterans who are here.

Thanks.
He needs to do no such thing.
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:12 AM   #1004
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I love the first amendment. We are all free to say what we want.

Sort of.

If there was a drag queen on the podium, could I express a negative opinion? I would be hounded to my dying day. (I REALLY don't give a **** about the issue)

In 1936, yes we saw military at the Berlin Olympics. But, they were secondary to the politician who hogged the glory. Remember, he was a politician, not military.

Personally, I am more offended by any politician who stands on the podium basking in the glory of Lewis or Kimi. They are the ones we should fear.

Remember, in 1936 the German Military executed the orders of the politician. They did not act on their own.

I come from a time when the government (politicians) would come to your home and drag you kicking and screaming from your parents, give you a gun, and send you to Vietnam. I served 4 1/2 years. I'm not a hero

The men and women today are all volunteers. They willingly take on a dangerous job so that we can enjoy the fruits of our wonderful society. They get shot at, killed, maimed, poisoned and more. To do them ANY disrespect is, IMHO shameful.

Fear the politicians. Not the military.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:26 AM   #1005
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Nobody hero worships the military like the US. I think it gets ingrained into us by being made so commonplace in sporting events like this. Always troops holding the 150 foot long flag, fighter jets flying overhead, paratroopers flying in from above, troops marching in formation, etc. If it didn't destroy the field, they'd probably have tanks parading around. It's a bit much.

And he didn't say anything offensive or out of line. I suppose if you want to say him mentioning the military display gives him dictatorship vibes is associating the military with dictatorships, then ok. But also remember that not everyone lives in the US and sees the military in the same way. I live in Costa Rica and we literally do not have an army. Period. So seeing a display of military exercises during the national anthem of a game is quite the contrast and very .

Anyways, we're way off topic and venturing into PP territory.

Lewis wins the championship if Seb finishes anywhere except 1st.

I'm stunned McLaren is 6th in the constructor's! Then again, Force India had to start back at 'Go' (but collected their $200 Stroll bucks) and will certainly pass them. Sauber is only 4pts behind Toro Rosso and will probably pass them as well.

Great illustration of Renault's poor reliability:

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Old 10-25-2018, 12:49 PM   #1006
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Great illustration of Renault's poor reliability:

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Old 10-25-2018, 01:25 PM   #1007
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To be fair, they've been using this season as testing and taking penalties with STR because who gives a ****, they're focused on getting a good engine for Red Bull next year when it counts.

Then again, they've been floundering for years, so who knows. This is their "gimme" year in Red Bull's eye. Figure it out with the B team now so it's ready for the A team next year. If it's not where they want, Max and Horner will throw them to the wolves like they do with Renault now.
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:23 PM   #1008
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Williams had the Rich Energy deal in the bag, totally agreed upon, press releases written and ready to go next year with the black and gold livery. Haas ended up scoring the deal from under their noses.

https://www.haasf1team.com/news/news...o6ruZSwoYCHTJA

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NEWS: Rich Energy Announced as Haas F1 Team Title Partner

Premium British Energy Drink Signs Multi-Year Agreement Starting 2019

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (Oct. 25, 2018) - Rich Energy, the premium British energy drink brand, will become the title partner of Haas F1 Team in a multi-year agreement beginning with the 2019 FIA Formula One World Championship. The partnership will result in a significant livery change to incorporate the colors of Rich Energy, while the team name will become Rich Energy Haas F1 Team.

Rich Energy, currently available in over 30 countries worldwide, and expanding rapidly, will utilize its partnership with Haas F1 Team as the centerpiece of its marketing campaign, exploiting the global platform offered by Formula One to increase its market share in the competitive energy drink sector.

"We are delighted to become the official title partner of Haas F1 Team in Formula One," said William Storey, Chief Executive Officer, Rich Energy. "Our companies share a synergy in our work ethos, and our desire to bring something new to the table in an environment made up of established brands. We revel in competition, and through our distinctive collaboration, we're looking to further prosper, delivering an exciting concept for the promotion of Rich Energy to the consumer along the way. Formula One is a premium product in its own right, and our partnership with Haas F1 Team ensures we have a prized asset on which to build our global marketing efforts."

"Securing a title partner in Rich Energy is another milestone moment in the development of Haas F1 Team," said Guenther Steiner, Team Principal, Haas F1 Team. "We welcome their commitment to us as an organization, and together we share an ambition to advance further in our respective fields. It's going to be exciting for us as a team to be the focal point of Rich Energy's marketing endeavors, as we go into both new and existing consumer markets around the world in Formula One. As we have seen already this season, our own continued push for performance has delivered on-track, and I have no doubt that the platform we provide for Rich Energy will translate into equally favorable dividends."

Haas F1 Team sits fifth overall in the constructors' standings, with the third-year American team recording 84 points on the season with three races remaining. It will head into the 2019 Formula One World Championship with continuity in its driver line-up with Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen paired together for a third consecutive year.
What's odd is nobody seems to have ever seen Rich Energy drink on the shelves anywhere. It seems to be nothing more than a shell/marketing company. They didn't have the cash to buy out the Force India administration and a look at their financials revealed they had no chance. Apparently a British billionaire named David Sullivan acquired a stake in Rich Energy earlier this month which is where they got the cash to get this done. They still seem very sketchy. I mean, their products aren't even on shelves or available for sale most anywhere from what I can tell. There's not even a Wiki for them. I hope this doesn't bite Haas in the aas.

In more Haas news, albeit off the track, KMAG is getting married this summer. Checks out.

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Old 10-26-2018, 01:06 PM   #1009
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To be fair, they've been using this season as testing and taking penalties with STR because who gives a ****, they're focused on getting a good engine for Red Bull next year when it counts.

Then again, they've been floundering for years, so who knows. This is their "gimme" year in Red Bull's eye. Figure it out with the B team now so it's ready for the A team next year. If it's not where they want, Max and Horner will throw them to the wolves like they do with Renault now.
This 100% ^

While they 'had to deliver' with Mclaren; they're now with a B team which is not in F1 to win, but rather to support RB.

How teams without a B team (and F1 itself) are allowing this BS to happen for so long is beyond me.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:16 PM   #1010
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Williams had the Rich Energy deal in the bag, totally agreed upon, press releases written and ready to go next year with the black and gold livery. Haas ended up scoring the deal from under their noses.

https://www.haasf1team.com/news/news...o6ruZSwoYCHTJA



What's odd is nobody seems to have ever seen Rich Energy drink on the shelves anywhere. It seems to be nothing more than a shell/marketing company. They didn't have the cash to buy out the Force India administration and a look at their financials revealed they had no chance. Apparently a British billionaire named David Sullivan acquired a stake in Rich Energy earlier this month which is where they got the cash to get this done. They still seem very sketchy. I mean, their products aren't even on shelves or available for sale most anywhere from what I can tell. There's not even a Wiki for them. I hope this doesn't bite Haas in the aas.

In more Haas news, albeit off the track, KMAG is getting married this summer. Checks out.

rumor says (Kravitz and Croft) that Haas is getting the deal because Williams wanted two times the money Rich Energy is now paying for the sponsor deal.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:34 PM   #1011
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rumor says (Kravitz and Croft) that Haas is getting the deal because Williams wanted two times the money Rich Energy is now paying for the sponsor deal.
Half the price for a much higher place on the grid. Apparently Haas say they did their due diligence before accepting the deal.
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Old 10-26-2018, 02:04 PM   #1012
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rumor says (Kravitz and Croft) that Haas is getting the deal because Williams wanted two times the money Rich Energy is now paying for the sponsor deal.
How long until Claire is gone? I mean, at some point, eventually you have to acknowledge that nothing is working and the team is being driven into the ground. I doubt she wants to give up or give control to a non-Williams family member while Frank is still alive to see it come to that, but damn. After watching the Williams documentary and seeing how the team has fared since Claire took over, I can't help but wonder how much her brother being chosen instead would have made a difference, if any. Perhaps this trajectory was inevitable. Still, a fork in the road was reached and a path was chosen and has turned out horribly. That much is clear.

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Half the price for a much higher place on the grid. Apparently Haas say they did their due diligence before accepting the deal.
Then again, Boullier did his due diligence on Quantum.

https://www.racefans.net/2013/11/23/...says-boullier/

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Ok, Eric.
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Guess its back to pay drivers for Williams.
What a dumpster fire.
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:43 PM   #1014
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The grid:


Pos Driver Team
1 Ricciardo Red Bull
2 Verstappen Red Bull
3 Hamilton Mercedes
4 Vettel Ferrari
5 Bottas Mercedes
6 Raikkonen Ferrari
7 Hulkenberg Renault
8 Sainz Renault
9 Leclerc Sauber
10 Ericsson Sauber
11 Ocon Force India
12 Alonso McLaren
13 Perez Force India
14 Hartley Toro Rosso
15 Gasly Toro Rosso
16 Grosjean Haas
17 Vandoorne McLaren
18 Magnussen Haas
19 Stroll Williams
20 Sirotkin Williams

Red Bull really likes this track
Haas nowhere this w/e
Might be a interesting start to turn 1 with Mercedes & Ferrari slip streaming the RB's into turn 1.
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:11 PM   #1015
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first row first loser; I expect Hamilton in front after the end of the first lap
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...or Hamilton and Verstappen out before the end of the first lap.

Rooting for RIC and RAI this weekend.
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Old 10-28-2018, 02:35 PM   #1017
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Wow! The local station is showing the race this w/e.
They must got their butts reamed last week by the local fans.
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Old 10-28-2018, 05:15 PM   #1018
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Wow. Yet another Shooie Kabloowie. RIC must be getting so frustrated
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The result:

os Driver Team
1 Verstappen Red Bull
2 Vettel Ferrari
3 Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Hamilton Mercedes
5 Bottas Mercedes
6 Hulkenberg Renault
7 Leclerc Sauber
8 Vandoorne McLaren
9 Ericsson Sauber
10 Gasly Toro Rosso
11 Ocon Force India
12 Stroll Williams
13 Sirotkin Williams
14 Hartley Toro Rosso
15 Magnussen Haas
16 Grosjean Haas
Ricciardo Red Bull
Perez Force India
Sainz Renault
Alonso McLaren

Max wins easily.
Hami wins the WDC
Yep, another dnf for Riccardo. (8th). wonder if he fisted a wall again.
Mercedes & Haas nowhere today. Bottas gets lapped.
Alonso out early again.
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same procedure as last year, same procedure as next year
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Riccardo doesn't want to drive the Redbull car any more.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/909312...gasly-drive-it

Daniel Ricciardo 'done' with Red Bull car: 'I'll let Gasly drive it'


Ricciardo left feeling "helpless" after a late engine issue costs him a podium finish in Mexico, continuing his luckless run.

F1: Ricciardo 'done' with Red Bull car: 'I'll let Gasly drive it'

Daniel Ricciardo was left feeling "helpless" after a late engine issue cost him a podium finish in Sunday's Mexican Grand Prix, with the Red Bull Formula 1 driver saying he was "done" with the RB14 car following the latest in a long line of issues.

Ricciardo scored his second pole position of the year on Saturday in Mexico, but a poor start put him out of contention for victory as Red Bull teammate Max Verstappen dominated proceedings at the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez.


Ricciardo was shifted onto a one-stop strategy that saw him rise back up to second place, putting him a staunch defence to Sebastian Vettel in the closing stages of the race.

After moving out of DRS range, Ricciardo's engine began to fail on Lap 60, forcing him to park up at the end of the main straight one lap later and retire from the race, ending his hopes of a first podium finish since the Monaco Grand Prix in May.

Summing up his feelings after the race, Ricciardo said he thought "helpless" was the best word before making reference to his 2019 Red Bull replacement, Pierre Gasly, saying he could drive the car.

"Helpless I think is the best word. Just another problem with this car," Ricciardo said in the TV pen after the race.

"It has not been a clean weekend for so long, and even today, the starts have been so good all weekend, the practice starts. For the race start, it’s all over the place with the pre-start.

"Just things are happening on a Sunday that I’ve got no more explanation for. I don’t know.

"The car… I’ll let Gasly drive it, I’m done with it."

Ricciardo is now 70 points behind teammate Verstappen in the drivers' standings after his latest setback, which was his eighth retirement of the season.
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well DannyRic, Renault is developing a new engine for 2019, what do you think about the reliability of your new team?
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well DannyRic, Renault is developing a new engine for 2019, what do you think about the reliability of your new team?
Red Bull are doing this on purpose. The start, the failures, the issues.

Which other Renault-powered car is having these many issues? none.

RB dont care about the points or prize $. They're running 2 teams and have any budget they want. Their B team is ok with getting infinite penalties and testing a knowingly unreliable engine as long as it serves next year's plans for the main RB team.
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Red Bull are doing this on purpose. The start, the failures, the issues.

Which other Renault-powered car is having these many issues? none.

RB dont care about the points or prize $. They're running 2 teams and have any budget they want. Their B team is ok with getting infinite penalties and testing a knowingly unreliable engine as long as it serves next year's plans for the main RB team.


I beg to differ
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I beg to differ
... and i beg to differ with that?

Anyways, I'm 100% certain this is RB doing it to Ricciardo.

And by the way, the part that failed was the clutch.

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