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Old 01-13-2010, 06:04 PM   #1
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The German car manufacturer Audi has shown its second all-electric drive at the first major auto show of 2010 in Detriot. The new E-tron is 3.93 meter (154.72 in) long, 1.78 meter (70.08 in) wide and just 1.22 meter (48.03 in). The two-seater weighs only 1,350 kilograms (2976.24lb) and has an ASF-design aluminum body.

The vehicle uses the same setup where four electric motors are connected to each wheel. Its “torque vectoring” is the key to a thrilling level of active precision and excellent traction. 0 to 100km/h (62mph) is done in just 5.9 seconds. The Audi e-tron accomplishes a sprint from 60 to 120km/h (37.28 – 74.56mph) in a mere 5.1 seconds. The vehicle is limited to 200km/h (124mph).

The lithium-ion batteries are located behind the passenger compartment and ahead of the rear axle. They make an effective energy content of 45 kilowatt-hours available, creating an operating range of up to 250 kilometers (155.34 miles) realistically possible. Wheels are 19-inch size with a 35-spoke design, 235/35 tyres up front and 255/35 tyres at the rear.

Audi again uses the same setup regarding the componentes: a heat pump as an efficient means of heating up and maintaining the interior temperature. The drive system, power electronics and battery have a thermal management – crucial for maintaining a high operating range coupled with the correct interior comfort.

















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I dig the looks.
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:15 PM   #3
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looks new yet reminds me of something from the 80's
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:19 PM   #4
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I'm really digging the e-tron/future R4/E4
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:28 PM   #5
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make that the next TT with a proper engine.
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:58 PM   #6
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I love it, the only thing I would change on the style is to soften up the rear wheel fenders a little...overall beautiful car!
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:36 PM   #7
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What's truly amazing is that in 3 quick revisions they've managed to remove 550lbs from the car.

Word is that the styling of the concept may show up in a production R4 (baby R8) model...

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If you're wondering what the likelihood of Audi building a production version of its new e-tron Detroit Concept Car (yes, that's really its official designation), our sources at Audi indicate that a version of the coupe is likely to go into serial production as the oft-rumored R4.

The German automaker is apparently looking to design a smaller modular platform leveraging the expertise it used to develop the front-engine sedan platform that underpins the new A8 and forthcoming A7, among others. The new mid-engine architecture will likely find homes in a number of Volkswagen Group properties, including a production version of the Concept BlueSport, and perhaps even the next-generation Porsche Boxster/Cayman.

While the e-tron show car is a battery-powered electric vehicle, the production model is likely to be available with either an electric motor or conventional internal-combustion four-cylinder variants.

Given the fact that VW intimated last year that a production BlueSport could be produced at around $25,000, we're anticipating that the Audi R4 will slot in under the TT in the low-$30,000 range, as the 2010 TT presently starts at $37,800.
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I stopped paying attention to concept cars when I was 9 and realized they will never see the light of day.


So much promised technology...never makes it on to the showroom floor. Expect a less exciting, more mundane model in 2012.
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The vehicle uses the same setup where four electric motors are connected to each wheel. Its “torque vectoring” is the key to a thrilling level of active precision and excellent traction. 0 to 100km/h (62mph) is done in just 5.9 seconds. The Audi e-tron accomplishes a sprint from 60 to 120km/h (37.28 – 74.56mph) in a mere 5.1 seconds. The vehicle is limited to 200km/h (124mph).
A motor to each wheel will make electric drive vehicles truly amazing if done right.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:13 AM   #10
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I stopped paying attention to concept cars when I was 9 and realized they will never see the light of day.


So much promised technology...never makes it on to the showroom floor. Expect a less exciting, more mundane model in 2012.
sometimes they do make it. The Viper was changed very little from Concept to production.
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The future of the Audi R4, a Boxster-sized mid-engined sports car, currently hangs in the balance as Audi and Volkswagen decide whether steel or alloy body construction is the way forward for the all-new model.
The final stamp of approval for the R4 rests with parent company Volkswagen, according to high-ranking Audi insiders in Ingolstadt.


They say production feasibility studies are yet to determine whether a pressed steel or alloy spaceframe chassis is the better option. The e-tron concept car was based, like the R8, around an alloy spaceframe.

Engineers involved in the studies have told Autocar that lines have been drawn between the cheap-to-produce yet relatively heavy monocoque or the more expensive but lightweight aluminium structure.

One source told us: “The reaction to the e-tron concept has been overwhelming.

"We’re weighing up all of the options and possibilities. There’s no real time pressure because we’re not replacing an existing model but establishing a new one.”

Volkswagen’s involvement in the R4 programme stems from its own plans to use the same platform to create an even more affordable mid-engined coupé/roadster along the lines of its BlueSport concept, which was unveiled at the 2009 Detroit motor show.

In a production strategy similar to that of the Volkswagen Polo/Audi A1 and Volkswagen Golf/Audi A3, the two car makers plan to create two distinctly different cars using a common mid-engine/rear-wheel drive structure.

A final green light for the new platform also hinges on a decision from Porsche, which is studying proposals to create a new entry-level model positioned underneath the Boxster and using the same underpinnings.

"Scale is important to a project like this,” an Audi source told Autocar. “But with three different car makers working to a common goal, the chances [of it getting the go-ahead] look good.”

Although the Audi e-tron concept car was revealed with an all-electric driveline, the production version of the R4 is planned to come with the choice of turbocharged 1.4–litre and 1.6-litre four-cylinder petrol engines as well as a 2.0-litre, four-cylinder diesel engine.
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I still would rather have a PHEV version than EV. EVs are city cars and cars like this just don't fit the city car mold, they desire to be driven long distances on curvy mountain roads.
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A motor to each wheel will make electric drive vehicles truly amazing if done right.

Eeeehh, lots and lots of unsprung weight will make the ride suck.

Don't get me wrong, i love electric cars - i just don't like the motor-wheel concept.
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Umm having a separate motor "to each wheel" doesn't mean unsprung weight. Having in wheel motors does.
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My bad, i assumed they meant wheel motors since it seems to be the trend for 4wd electric concepts. Looking at some of the press photos i can clearly see conventional brakes, however, so it does look like the motors are mounted inboard. That's good.
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How cute, a light blue FT86.
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Audi's first fully electric car is finally here, and U.S. deliveries will start in May.
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UPDATE 4/4/19: The 2019 Audi e-tron's official EPA-rated electric driving range is 204 miles. That is lower than competitors such as the Jaguar I-Pace, which is rated at 234 miles of range, and the Tesla Model X Long Range, which has a range of 295 miles. Audi says it made a choice not to maximize range, and noted that the e-tron maintains a 12 percent battery reserve that's meant to prolong battery life. U.S. deliveries of the first e-tron units will begin in May.

For the last six years, we've seen what a recently formed electric car company led by an eccentric billionaire can do in the electric-vehicle space, but only recently have the established luxury automakers collectively determined that building dedicated electric cars is a worthwhile endeavor. First was Jaguar's impressive I-Pace, which went on sale in the United States earlier this year. And come the second quarter of next year, the 2019 Audi e-tron SUV will join the e-party, too. Until now, we've only seen it wearing camo, but with the wraps officially off, we've got lots of information about the first of many electrified products Audi plans to introduce in the next six years.

Some important stuff right away: The e-tron is a mid-size five-seat crossover that utilizes a heavily modified version of Audi's MLB modular platform. The vehicle stretches 193 inches in length, 76.3 inches wide, and 65.5 inches tall, making it a little bit smaller in each dimension than Audi’s new Q8 flagship SUV and five inches shorter and narrower than the Tesla Model X.

The e-tron's long, 115.1-inch wheelbase makes room for a two-tier battery pack that itself measures seven and a half feet long, more than five feet wide, and over a foot deep. The 95-kWh battery pack uses 36 individual shoe-box-size cells protected by a lattice structure, an aluminum tray beneath the vehicle, and ancillary safety systems. Audi did not release the official curb weight of the e-tron, but the battery system alone weighs 1543 pounds. Audi claims that, whatever it weighs, the mass is distributed approximately 50/50 front and rear, and that the center of gravity is several centimeters below that of conventional SUVs.

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We do know that the e-tron is powered by two asynchronous motors—a 181-hp motor for the front axle and a 221-hp unit for the rear. Most driving is done using just the rear motor, but the front axle can be engaged within milliseconds, according to Audi. The e-tron's Drive Select system features seven driving modes that Audi claims range from "comfortable, though efficient" to "distinctively sporty." The e-tron's electric Quattro all-wheel-drive system can actuate torque predictively to each axle, based on weather and road surface or whenever the driver requests more power than the rear motor can supply. As an electric car, maximum torque can be reached pretty much instantaneously—in less than 250 milliseconds, Audi says—although unlike the Tesla Model X, the e-tron won't generate too many eye-popping performance headlines: its 5.5-second zero-to-60-mph time is brisk if not outright quick, and it tops out at a prudent 124 mph.

Certain driving modes affect how high the e-tron rides upon its suspension, which utilizes multilink setups front and rear plus standard air springs that can lift the vehicle 1.4 inches in its off-road setting and another 0.6 inches higher still in Raise mode. At higher speeds, the e-tron can automatically lower to decrease drag. Total height adjustment range between its lowest and highest settings is 3 inches.

The regenerative brakes on the e-tron use the electric motors as alternators for all braking tasks up to 0.3 g—over ninety percent of braking scenarios, according to Audi—after which point the friction brakes are also used. The driver can select among three different levels of energy regeneration, from zero regenerative braking and normal coasting to "one-pedal driving" with high regenerative braking, wherein the driver can slow the vehicle down merely by backing off the accelerator. Audi estimates that the recuperation of lost energy is responsible for a sizable chunk of the e-tron's range—up to thirty percent, depending on conditions, driving style, and terrain. Speaking of extending range, Audi's thermal-management efforts include a heat pump design that helps both prolong battery life and extend the e-tron's range by up to ten percent, depending on ambient temperature, according to Audi.

The e-tron's all-important range figure sits at 204 miles according to the EPA. Audi of America president Scott Keogh anecdotally told the story of how one of the 250 Audi e-tron prototypes that canvassed the globe during research and development drove from the e-tron's launch site at Craneway Pavilion on the Eastern shores of the San Francisco Bay 175 miles across California to South Lake Tahoe in the Sierra Mountains, arriving with 12 miles of range left. Then, after the vehicle was allowed to fully recharge "over a leisurely lunch," it was driven back to San Francisco and had an indicated 90 miles remaining upon its return.

Looks Like . . . an Audi SUV
If you happened to see any of those 250 prototypes whirring around, you might have dismissed it as a Q5 with a funky wrap job, rather than the tip of the spear with which Audi is charging into electromobility. No bat-wing doors, no glass dome windshield, just an Audi SUV that looks like an Audi SUV, albeit with perhaps the best proportions and stance of any Audi SUV to date. In a pre-launch discussion with Audi design chief Marc Lichte, he remarked that while designers had contemplated more radical designs, it was ultimately decided that the vehicle should have a familiar look. Part of the reasoning, we were told, was to ease the transition to electric-car living for newcomers: the switch itself is impactful enough without having to get used to something weird-looking in the driveway.

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Besides the proportions, there are plenty of details that are unique to the e-tron, from its LED headlamps with four hashmark details to the LED taillamps that reach across the e-tron's tailgate à la the Q8 and A7, both of which are expected to become an e-tron signature as more EV derivatives emerge in future years. The single-frame grille, now more of a motif than an aperture, gives the e-tron a familiar Audi look, even though it's the first time it's been rendered in an inverted octagonal form. A chunky lower section rising toward the rear end serves to reduce the visual thickness of the e-tron's body while hinting at the existence of important stuff behind it, i.e. the battery and propulsion systems.

Unfortunately, U.S. regulators won't allow us to get e-tron's niftiest feature: exterior camera-based "mirrors" (which, interestingly, are shaped like the exterior mirrors they have replaced) that correspond to 7.0-inch OLED displays located near each front door pull at about the same level of Audi's Virtual Cockpit gauge cluster, which comes standard on the e-tron.

Those would be just two of many display-based systems inside the e-tron's techno-classy, flat-floored interior. Besides Virtual Cockpit, the e-tron features a 10.1-inch infotainment screen situated above a second, 8.6-inch screen used primarily for HVAC features and other settings. A head-up display is optional. And if that's not enough, one can bring their own screen in the form of a smartphone or tablet device and stream content via the standard 4G LTE Wi-Fi connection.

Other notable features include a tasteful four-spoke steering wheel, an L-shaped wrist rest with a discrete gear-selection slider, and seat stitching that evokes circuit boards. The e-tron's Driver Assistance package uses the adaptive cruise-control system and its many attendant cameras and sensors to allow the e-tron to drive, brake, and steer for the driver, slowing for transition ramps, roundabouts and construction zones. The driver can also select a driving style for this mode of cruising, from "everyday to sporty" styles. It also features 360-degree camera system with a freely selectable 3D view, as well as park steering assist that handles steering functions while parallel or perpendicular parking.

While we're still at least six months from seeing the e-tron in U.S. dealerships, Audi has already set the base price at $75,795 for the Premium Plus trim level, which features 20-inch wheels with all-season tires, the overhead view camera system, blind-spot monitoring with cross-traffic alert, full LED lighting, navigation, a 705-watt Bang & Olufsen sound system with 16 speakers, leather upholstery, 12-way heated and cooled front seats, a panoramic sunroof, and more. For another $7000, the Prestige model brings a head-up display, more active-safety features, massaging seats, soft-close doors, rear-window sunshades, higher-end leather, and an air ionizer.

Americans will further have the chance to order one of the 999 First Edition models, which get Daytona Gray paint, 21-inch wheels, orange brake calipers and exterior trim, and black leather inside complemented by gray contrast stitching and gray ash wood trim.

All e-tron buyers will receive 1000 kWh of free energy from Audi and Electrify America, which promise to have 500 fast-charging facilities either under construction or completed nationwide by July 2019, 160 of which will be in California. Interestingly, the e-tron is compatible with both AC and DC charging via the common SAE J1772 and Combined Charging System (CCS) standards. It's capable of DC fast charging at up to 150 kW when available at certain high-speed public charging stations; this capability can deliver up to an 80 percent charge in approximately 30 minutes. The e-tron will also welcome Amazon's Alexa virtual assistant into the car, who can be tasked with, among other things, managing at-home charging.

As of the e-tron's launch, a configurator is open on Audi's website, with orders and refundable $1000 deposits being taken for mid-2019 deliveries, by which time even more luxury EVs will exist.
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I like the shape of that coupe. Those wheels are ugly though.. but wheels are easy to swap.
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not bad looking. base price of 75k. I think I would rather have a an SQ5, for 20k less monies, it will go faster, go farther, hold its value better, handle better and sound better.

OR you could go with the LOADED Q8 which is accelerates just as quickly, same price and will go farther, hold its value better, handle better an...you get the picture.

But if you want to pay more for less, then by all means. This car makes no sense.
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not bad looking. base price of 75k. I think I would rather have a an SQ5, for 20k less monies, it will go faster, go farther, hold its value better, handle better and sound better.

OR you could go with the LOADED Q8 which is accelerates just as quickly, same price and will go farther, hold its value better, handle better an...you get the picture.

But if you want to pay more for less, then by all means. This car makes no sense.
This is a pretty disappointing effort on Audi/VW's part. Lowest range among it's competitors, very high price, weird size.

This seems to be for people who think Tesla's are not exclusive enough.

On the other hand, the combination of German luxury + electric undoubtedly means these will be a screaming deal in a few years after the jaw dropping depreciation occurs...
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This is a pretty disappointing effort on Audi/VW's part. Lowest range among it's competitors, very high price, weird size.

This seems to be for people who think Tesla's are not exclusive enough.

On the other hand, the combination of German luxury + electric undoubtedly means these will be a screaming deal in a few years after the jaw dropping depreciation occurs...
In other words it will fit in just perfectly within the present VAG lineup
Silly VAG Group.
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German luxury + electric (drivetrain) = mogwai + water. If the Japanese ever got into this segment, they would own it despite their questionable exterior design language (Toyota/Honda). Ah, but it's about the badges...
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German luxury + electric (drivetrain) = mogwai + water. If the Japanese ever got into this segment, they would own it despite their questionable exterior design language (Toyota/Honda). Ah, but it's about the badges...
Still holding onto the pre 2012 knowledge of Audi, I see.


A base price or $75k seems way too steep but I’m sure people will buy them. For the money, I’d be looking at a Macan Turbo.
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Seriously just laughed hard at that.

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