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Old 05-16-2013, 12:57 PM   #26
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Triple today. It may be the short squeeze in play, but even if it goes down it will be back.
That's... about the worst stock advice I've ever seen. "Even if it goes down it will be back" is a statement that's filled with hope but short of reality. One first quarter profit for a small company is great, but to rationalize that this short-term gain will automatically result in long-term gain at this early stage is suspect.

You made a gamble and succeeded - but the gamble you take now is much different than the one you took before. Now the company will be forced to create consistency out of those results, not just a profit.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:49 PM   #27
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That's... about the worst stock advice I've ever seen.
You're taking my posts as stock advice? Here having a dancing banana:
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:28 PM   #28
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You're taking my posts as stock advice? Here having a dancing banana:
You're right, it's advice in the sense that a dancing banana also gives advice. Referring your random-chance investment as "winning" and "victory" doesn't endear you to anyone, even people that support Tesla.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:42 PM   #29
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You're right, it's advice in the sense that a dancing banana also gives advice. Referring your random-chance investment as "winning" and "victory" doesn't endear you to anyone, even people that support Tesla.
There was no random chance I assure you.

You made some assumption the point was to gain endearment? No the point was to rub it peoples faces that take any opportunity to say negative and possibly libelous things Tesla and EV's in general without regard for its (usually far) distance from reality.

...and gloat.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:47 PM   #30
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Still waiting for where you found a misleading statement that was spoken about Tesla.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder when people point out such obvious shortcomings of the government backed EV you cherish so much.

If you cannot concede to the shortcomings, you come off as totally unbelieveable and non credible.

What shortcomings you say..

Well one large one is that I could take Chevy Cruze and race your model S from Houston to el Paso, and I would win by HOURS.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:00 PM   #31
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[...]Well one large one is that I could take Chevy Cruze and race your model S from Houston to el Paso, and I would win by HOURS.
You'd just be pitting a partially owned government vehicle against a government backed vehicle. Government wins !
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:21 PM   #32
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Well one large one is that I could take Chevy Cruze and race your model S from Houston to el Paso, and I would win by HOURS.
Tesla says they are going to make a 1000 mile battery some day over the rainbow. Then you can race him to yellowstone instead I hope we never get batteries any bigger than the largest in the S though personally. Unless there is a monumental discovery that makes more than an order of magnitude difference in energy density.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:21 PM   #33
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I can't compete with that...
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:36 PM   #34
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:55 PM   #35
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Still waiting for where you found a misleading statement that was spoken about Tesla.
I bow before you, I can't compete with every post I've read that was written by you. I am not worthy.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:58 AM   #36
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sooooooo you got nothing...




That is what I thought.

you may rise...and leave when your car is done charging...
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:25 AM   #37
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Bump; quick search revealed nothing.

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PALO ALTO -- In a boost for the Obama Administration and controversial federal cleantech programs, electric vehicle maker Tesla Motors (TSLA) announced Wednesday it paid back its $465 million government loan nine years early.

The U.S. Department of Energy oversees $34 billion in taxpayer-funded loans for 33 clean energy projects, and Tesla is the first American car company to pay back its loan. The DOE loans came under fierce criticism from Congressional Republicans in the wake of the high-profile 2011 bankruptcy of Fremont solar manufacturer Solyndra, with Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney calling Tesla a "loser" in a presidential debate last fall.

"This is another important contribution to what the Obama Administration has done to preserve and promote America's auto industry," U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said in a statement Wednesday. "This announcement is also good news for the future of America's growing electric vehicle industry."

Moniz noted that sales of electric vehicles in the United States tripled last year and said "Tesla and other U.S. manufacturers are in a strong position to compete for this growing global market."

Tesla's DOE loan was made through the Advanced Technology
Vehicle Manufacturing program, which was chartered by Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush with a goal of accelerating the market for energy-efficient cars. Tesla's loan was the smallest awarded in the program. Ford was awarded $5.9 billion, Nissan received $1.4 billion and Fisker Automotive got $529 million.

While Solyndra was a spectacular failure and Fisker is teetering on collapse, defenders of the DOE's cleantech loans point out that the vast majority of companies who got loans remain on track for repaying them.

Analysts said the move removes Tesla from the partisan politics that have shadowed federal government support for Silicon Valley clean energy companies and gives the company increased flexibility.

"Paying off the DOE loan allows Tesla to be free of criticism related to DOE loan programs," said Andrea James, an analyst with Dougherty & Company. "Tesla still receives government incentives in the form of tax credits on unit sales and state-based regulatory credits, but that is piecemeal compared to the DOE loan program, which was so politically charged."

But Tesla's early payment of the loan is unlikely to silence criticism of federal cleantech funding from Congressional Republicans, who say the government should not meddle in the marketplace.

"When they're picking all these losers, it's nice for them to have one where they can point to," Representative Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican who held a hearing on Fisker's loan, said in an interview with Bloomberg News.

After making payments on its loan for more than a year, Tesla on Wednesday wired payment of $451.8 million to fully repay the loan with $26 million in interest and prepayment penalties. The payment was made using a portion of the $1 billion the company raised last week through offerings of common stock and convertible senior notes.

"I would like to thank the Department of Energy and the members of Congress and their staffs that worked hard to create the ATVM program, and particularly the American taxpayer from whom these funds originate," Tesla CEO Elon Musk said in a statement.

Rep. Anna Eshoo, whose district is home to Tesla's Palo Alto-headquarters, welcomed the news.

"Federal investment in any innovative clean energy application carries risk, but, as Tesla has demonstrated, it can also create jobs, keep us a world leader in clean energy development and provide a return on investment to taxpayers," Eshoo said in an email to this newspaper.
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:35 AM   #38
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I guess this means the 'fiscal conservatives' can finally like electric cars!
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Old 05-27-2013, 11:16 AM   #39
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I guess this means the 'fiscal conservatives' can finally like electric cars!
fat chance. Its just another serving of crow they're forced to eat. They'll find another reason to hate there's no doubt.
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Maybe some..

some may say this is a publicity stunt to gain a good reputation.

Elon could have paid off the loans whenever he wanted to. He is keeping his momentum going.

Which is a VERY smart thing to do. You only get one chance to make a big splash, and while the press is great, why not keep the waves going on your favor.

I think whether Elon paid it off out of his own pocket, or not, is irrelevant. THe fact remains this is good press.

But no, I still have no desire to own a range limited car that costs north of 70k dollars
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:12 PM   #41
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fat chance. Its just another serving of crow they're forced to eat. They'll find another reason to hate there's no doubt.
I was going to post earlier in amazement there had not been such a rebuttal yet. Good thing I waited, only took 1 hour 40 minutes. Predictably terrible
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:02 PM   #42
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It is embarrassing that we are so dysfunctional in this country


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"When they're picking all these losers, it's nice for them to have one where they can point to," Representative Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican who held a hearing on Fisker's loan, said in an interview with Bloomberg News.
His district should seriously tell him that bufoons like him are not helpful and vote for someone else instead.

We have a fact that most of the loans are getting paid back compared to the suggestion that only one company is paying back the loans.

It is just stupid. If people want to get upset about loans then get upset about the loans don't make up things to complain about that are inaccurate.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:31 AM   #43
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It is embarrassing that we are so dysfunctional in this country

His district should seriously tell him that bufoons like him are not helpful and vote for someone else instead.

We have a fact that most of the loans are getting paid back compared to the suggestion that only one company is paying back the loans.

It is just stupid. If people want to get upset about loans then get upset about the loans don't make up things to complain about that are inaccurate.
Politics, largely, is about winning, about power. Not about being right. Why let the facts get in the way of a nice, simplistic talking point?
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:10 AM   #44
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It is embarrassing that we are so dysfunctional in this country

His district should seriously tell him that bufoons like him are not helpful and vote for someone else instead.
What makes you think that the people who voted for him aren't morons?

Ohio (and the entire Midwest):
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...data-estimates

Some perspective... May sales 1425 units with a 10.6B USD market cap ~>25% GM market cap or 7.5M USD per monthly unit sale LOL
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:19 PM   #46
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To contribute, here in Pasadena California I see one of their new coups 2-3 times a day. They're certainly being bought and used in this part of the world.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:09 PM   #47
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How many a random poster sees is sort of irrelevant to actual sales data. As of Jan 2013 the comparitive sales of vehicles in months after introduction looked like this


The leaf is doing better after price drops now and the volt likely worse, but that was the most current I saw

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Old 06-05-2013, 09:30 PM   #48
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what's the time scale? Weeks?
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:16 PM   #50
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Doesn't surprise me, I see one of the sedans at least every few days

Can't wait for the new roadster, the old one pulled like a 400+hp car. Really impressive
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