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Old 03-30-2017, 05:31 PM   #26
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Rumored speculation in car mag articles last summer re 305hp / 295 lb ft plus new 7A dct transmission for US 2017 S3 = 292hp / 280 lb ft 6A 2017 S3 sitting on US dealer lots

Rumored speculation in car mag articles this spring re 305hp / 295 lb ft plus new 7A dct transmission for US 2017 golf r = ???? it is a mystery
Currently, Canada and UK get better infotainment options.
The digital dash may come here for 2018, but IMO, we won't ever get the same options.

Thinking about it...if all Golf R's come out of Wolfsburg, what is the logic for the US getting a smaller NAV screen?
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how do the dealer issues with the R compare to the S3? Same hype and bs, or what?
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:24 PM   #28
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how do the dealer issues with the R compare to the S3? Same hype and bs, or what?
Dealer issues? Like charging adm or what specifically do you mean?
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:05 PM   #30
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Awesome car but it would be hard to shell out close to 40 grand for one. I can get the GTI Sport for 23K and a WRX Premium for less than 28K. The GTI is just as nice and you don't give up that much performance outside of 0-60 times. The WRX is almost as quick (stick vs stick) and while not as nice, its much cheaper and IMO comes with a better AWD system too. Then there are so many RWD V8 performance cars at this price level that are simply in a another league performance wise.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:18 PM   #31
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So is this still considered mk7?
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:07 PM   #33
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Awesome car but it would be hard to shell out close to 40 grand for one. I can get the GTI Sport for 23K and a WRX Premium for less than 28K. The GTI is just as nice and you don't give up that much performance outside of 0-60 times. The WRX is almost as quick (stick vs stick) and while not as nice, its much cheaper and IMO comes with a better AWD system too. Then there are so many RWD V8 performance cars at this price level that are simply in a another league performance wise.
The GTI does not have awd, and doesn't have the performance the R does.
I'd hardly call an open diff WRX AWD system better.
RWD V8 cars at this price level don't have AWD either. So I'd say if you are shelling out R money it's because you want AWD. RWD V8 doesn't have the practicality of a 5 door hatchback either. Many people have kids, dogs, or both, that don't fit into a coupe. Many people want AWD for all weather conditions.
Another league? As soon as it rains or snows, the R is another league and that RWD v8 coupe would get left for dead.

Whenever Subaru gets around to actually redoing the STI, it will be the same price. It's only slightly cheaper because Subaru has to deal hard to sell them, and because it has an old engine. New engine and a STI, the price will go up as well. A comparably optioned 2017/2018 STI compared to the R is 40k.

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Old 03-30-2017, 10:12 PM   #34
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The next gen GTI will make the R a hard sell
It will have the full digital dash and r seats
It will have the LSD AND 258 hp/ 274 ft lbs
It will be the greatest GTI ever made

It WILL BE WORTH YOUR consideration
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:16 PM   #35
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how do the dealer issues with the R compare to the S3? Same hype and bs, or what?
I've found Audi dealers to be many cuts above VW dealers. You're buying the S3 from a dealer that also has to service customers who expect a $80-120k car buying experience.
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:29 PM   #36
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The next gen GTI will make the R a hard sell
It will have the full digital dash and r seats
It will have the LSD AND 258 hp/ 274 ft lbs
It will be the greatest GTI ever made

It WILL BE WORTH YOUR consideration


If the US will get the same as Canada does, the Golf nor GTI won't get the virtual cockpit, only the upgraded infotainment system as it's already been announced up North. The R will be the only one getting the virtual cockpit.

Also, if the US can option out the recently released R-performance pack, the R will get the same Magnetic Ride suspension the S3 gets, as well as Akrapovic Exhaust system.

https://vwpulse.ca/tag/2018-golf/

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It's only slightly cheaper because Subaru has to deal hard to sell them, and because it has an old engine.
Subaru isn't dealing hard to sell STI's. The dealers are discounting them. I realize that is because the demand isn't outstripping supply. As far as I can tell Subaru does the least amount of incentives on WRX & STI models than the rest of their line up. They have the highest interest rates and no 6 year financing option from their in house financing. It doesn't seem like they are adding much if anything in terms of dealer incentives either.

The Golf R are selling for closer to sticker, but it rare that demand for any new car keep near MRSP. The GTI have much more incentives than the WRX despite similar sales numbers and the WRX being more expensive. The last I read Subaru sold about 6500 STI a couple years ago, VW would need to sell 50% more Golf R to match that, I would guess that Golf R near MRSP pricing would no longer exist with those sales numbers.
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The GTI does not have awd, and doesn't have the performance the R does.
I'd hardly call an open diff WRX AWD system better.
RWD V8 cars at this price level don't have AWD either. So I'd say if you are shelling out R money it's because you want AWD. RWD V8 doesn't have the practicality of a 5 door hatchback either. Many people have kids, dogs, or both, that don't fit into a coupe. Many people want AWD for all weather conditions.
Another league? As soon as it rains or snows, the R is another league and that RWD v8 coupe would get left for dead.

Whenever Subaru gets around to actually redoing the STI, it will be the same price. It's only slightly cheaper because Subaru has to deal hard to sell them, and because it has an old engine. New engine and a STI, the price will go up as well. A comparably optioned 2017/2018 STI compared to the R is 40k.
That wasn't a knock against the R. It was just my opinion cross shopping these cars. I happen to like the GTI the best because it is the lightest, has an actual mechanical LSD and can be bought in the sport trim for under 23,000, in my case at least. The reason I chose the WRX was the AWD system, open diff or not, it is absolutely amazing and rear seat space (kids). The R for ME wasn't worth the premium. As far as the RWD cars, yes they are in a completely different league. I helped a friend negotiate a price for the Camaro SS, the chassis and power in that car are simply in another league in comparison, there is no other way to put it. The final price was lower than what I can get the R but like you said some of us need the space and want AWD and if price is not a consideration, yes the R is by far the best choice then.
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That wasn't a knock against the R. It was just my opinion cross shopping these cars. I happen to like the GTI the best because it is the lightest, has an actual mechanical LSD and can be bought in the sport trim for under 23,000, in my case at least. The reason I chose the WRX was the AWD system, open diff or not, it is absolutely amazing and rear seat space (kids). The R for ME wasn't worth the premium. As far as the RWD cars, yes they are in a completely different league. I helped a friend negotiate a price for the Camaro SS, the chassis and power in that car are simply in another league in comparison, there is no other way to put it. The final price was lower than what I can get the R but like you said some of us need the space and want AWD and if price is not a consideration, yes the R is by far the best choice then.
If price is the only consideration, go used, or cpo.

We have GTI, WRX, and Camaro SS in the Golf R thread. One of those is FWD, one is RWD, and the other a Sedan
You might as well compare the R to a Forester so you can get a CUV in there while you're at it.

The R, RS, and STI, with equal equipment are all around the same price.
I agree with you that the Mustangs and Camaros offer a lot of performance for the money. But the AWD 300+HP segment offers more performance in inclement weather, and have rear doors. So performance in a different league is only half true. Bad weather, and bad weather does occur, the R will be in a different league. I wished we could live in only dry and nice weather conditions.
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The next gen GTI will make the R a hard sell
It will have the full digital dash and r seats
It will have the LSD AND 258 hp/ 274 ft lbs
It will be the greatest GTI ever made

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So, it will be RWD?
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Subaru isn't dealing hard to sell STI's. The dealers are discounting them. I realize that is because the demand isn't outstripping supply. As far as I can tell Subaru does the least amount of incentives on WRX & STI models than the rest of their line up. They have the highest interest rates and no 6 year financing option from their in house financing. It doesn't seem like they are adding much if anything in terms of dealer incentives either.
Dealers discounting them = Subaru dealing on them. None of us are flying up to New Jersey and buying from corporate. Subaru as far as consumer, purchaser, etc, = dealer. Subaru dealers have to discount them to sell them in many cases. VW still holding at msrp or close on the R, same for the RS. I think you understand what I meant/typed.

Subaru finance is offering 2.9% on them. That's one percentage point more than the BRZ, Crosstek, or toaster Impreza and that's actually pretty damn good for performance variants. VW offers nothing like that on the R, same for Ford on the RS, nothing. And 6 years = you can't afford it, so I've never considered 72 month financing a decision maker or make it break it thing.

I mean are you arguing just to argue or what?
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Old 03-31-2017, 11:22 AM   #42
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Old 03-31-2017, 12:58 PM   #43
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That wasn't a knock against the R. It was just my opinion cross shopping these cars. I happen to like the GTI the best because it is the lightest, has an actual mechanical LSD and can be bought in the sport trim for under 23,000, in my case at least. The reason I chose the WRX was the AWD system, open diff or not, it is absolutely amazing and rear seat space (kids). The R for ME wasn't worth the premium. As far as the RWD cars, yes they are in a completely different league. I helped a friend negotiate a price for the Camaro SS, the chassis and power in that car are simply in another league in comparison, there is no other way to put it. The final price was lower than what I can get the R but like you said some of us need the space and want AWD and if price is not a consideration, yes the R is by far the best choice then.
The R with just a Stage one will put it well into the league. If you want to do roll racing on the street, the R will likely trounce the SS. There are tons of big V8 power cars getting rolled by Rs all over YT. Heck GTIs too.
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The R with just a Stage one will put it well into the league. If you want to do roll racing on the street, the R will likely trounce the SS. There are tons of big V8 power cars getting rolled by Rs all over YT. Heck GTIs too.
Not very likely. SS traps 114-115mph or so stock, you'd need Stage 2 on 93 octane in an R just to even match 114mph per APR. Stage 1 might put it neck and neck with the current Mustang GT, though that's getting a refresh and power bump next year. Worth noting V8 guys like to mod too.

That being said, the gains from modding on the mk7 are truly astounding. Great little cars. The GTI is certainly on my shortlist.
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Old 03-31-2017, 02:49 PM   #45
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I'm not sure what you're smoking dude. They might be getting beat because of tires and slow drivers, but it's definitely not the car. It's easy to get those new V8s deep into the 11s with just bolt ons, tires, and a tune. That's kind of their thing.

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The R with just a Stage one will put it well into the league. If you want to do roll racing on the street, the R will likely trounce the SS. There are tons of big V8 power cars getting rolled by Rs all over YT. Heck GTIs too.
LOL how about no. Stop watching YouTube videos, they are as accurate as the F&F franchise. The SS would obliterate it. Do few hot laps in each and see how they fare or come back in few thousands of miles and tell me how that stage 1 and warranty are working out for you. See which one gives up first, the clutch or the turbo. Better yet, instead check out the 0-130 times, 5-60 times and trap speed between them, it is comical. Since you brought up modding, you can pick up A LOT more power in the SS than any 2.0T can dream of.
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Old 03-31-2017, 04:32 PM   #47
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New 2018 Golf R thread, first pages, devolved into RWD V8 nonsense. Have fun with those in the rain or snow. The R would obliterate. But hey, on the internet it's always dry, sunny, and 70+ degrees
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Nothing like racing in the snow . I am shocked that a performance car can't handle the snow as well as a souped up econobox.
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Okay kids. I'm about to flex some n00b moderator muscle here.

Enough with the dick measuring.

There will always be a faster car.

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The Golf R is a multi-purpose, multi-practical, performance car for all weather conditions. Multidimensional > Single purpose. Less than 1% will ever take their car or sportbike on track, so it's all about how the vehicle performs in all weather, all season conditions. This is why the Golf R is exceptional. It's a jack of all trades. Great commuter when you want it to be, with pretty good fuel economy. Then it's an exceptional awd performance car when you want to beat on the throttle, and go turning. It can seat kids or adults in the back, turns into a small suv in terms of storage capacity with the rear seats folded. Even has rear vents for occupants. So given the multi-use, practicality, performance on tap, luxury interior, premium sound system, and large overhead for tuning and bolts ons....worth every penny of what they charge for it.
Few cars can do so much so well.

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